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pantera101 said:
Also GMG,you can't count the bar on t bar rows as 45lbs.......you only lift half of it.I just say the plates like you did in () personally.Since we're on this subject,and by we I guess I mean me!Whats the bar in the smith machine?No way that thing weighs 45lbs!I hear guys all the time act like it does,but it doesn't feel like it.Unless thats how much a self balancing machine takes away from weight..........I did hear one say how guys get mad when he tells them a 315 (3 plates) bench in the smith isn't 315...........Maybe he just meant because of how it's balanced?
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No tellin bro, but I think a standard Olympic bar only weighs 30lbs so IDK where the hell you guys are coming up with 45lbs.......hey that's cool with me if it is that just means I can bench 335lbs instead of 321 so........Seriously though I think it's 30lbs guys.
 
pantera101 said:
Also GMG,you can't count the bar on t bar rows as 45lbs.......you only lift half of it.I just say the plates like you did in () personally.Since we're on this subject,and by we I guess I mean me!Whats the bar in the smith machine?No way that thing weighs 45lbs!I hear guys all the time act like it does,but it doesn't feel like it.Unless thats how much a self balancing machine takes away from weight..........I did hear one say how guys get mad when he tells them a 315 (3 plates) bench in the smith isn't 315...........Maybe he just meant because of how it's balanced?
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Ok, I'll just say plates from now on.

The smith machine bar is counterweighted or something like that... its about 10 pounds or so I have heard without anything loaded on it. I imagine that the counterweight effect goes away as the weight gets heavier... All just what I have been told though... I'd believe someone if they told me different.

I think 315 on the smith is a real 315 lbs, its just on the smith, where you don't have to balance the weight yourself.
 
pantera101 said:
Also GMG,you can't count the bar on t bar rows as 45lbs.......you only lift half of it.I just say the plates like you did in () personally.Since we're on this subject,and by we I guess I mean me!Whats the bar in the smith machine?No way that thing weighs 45lbs!I hear guys all the time act like it does,but it doesn't feel like it.Unless thats how much a self balancing machine takes away from weight..........I did hear one say how guys get mad when he tells them a 315 (3 plates) bench in the smith isn't 315...........Maybe he just meant because of how it's balanced?
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The smith machine weights should be posted on the arms... Its mad light - somewhere between 3 and 5 pounds.
 
BlackSheep said:
No tellin bro, but I think a standard Olympic bar only weighs 30lbs so IDK where the hell you guys are coming up with 45lbs.......hey that's cool with me if it is that just means I can bench 335lbs instead of 321 so........Seriously though I think it's 30lbs guys.
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its 45 lbs dude.
 
GMG760 said:
its 45 lbs dude.
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Thats what I always heard.I believe they do have lighter bars,like dead lift bars.The ones that are skinny and the ends don't roll without the bar....They might weigh less.I could of swore in HS they had bars that weighed 30lbs,and called them the girls bars.......I put my olympic BB on my digital scale and it was just under 40 I think.But I had to slighhtly hold it from falling over so that probably messed with it.
 
BlackSheep said:
For real?? O fcuk yea my bench just went up 15 mothafcukin lbs!!! A yea, yea.....45lbs really? D@mn were the fcuk did I get 30lbs from:think:
Sweet, well my max bench is 336lbs now instead of 321 so....a fcuk yea!!:head:
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Lol, congrats... I know most of the 4 foot EZ bars are 20 pounds (Olympic EX Bars)... but they make them as heavy as 35 (non Olympic obviously)...

Your high school gym may have had some puss bars...
 
BlackSheep said:
For real?? O fcuk yea my bench just went up 15 mothafcukin lbs!!! A yea, yea.....45lbs really? D@mn were the fcuk did I get 30lbs from:think:
Sweet, well my max bench is 336lbs now instead of 321 so....a fcuk yea!!:head:
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IDK man!It's known that 3 plates is 315,4-405,5-495.Back to the SM though.what that guy was saying was that 3 plates in the smith doesn't = 315 lbs.Fvck it!I'll just google and see what it weighs...................................................................................................Most smith bars weigh 15-20 lbs,but it varies.Most will say on their what they weigh.I looked on ours though and didn't see it.One guy said some are even made to=0lbs.Guess I'll have to say plates from now on with my smith calf raises.About all that machines good for......
 
pantera101 said:
IDK man!It's known that 3 plates is 315,4-405,5-495.Back to the SM though.what that guy was saying was that 3 plates in the smith doesn't = 315 lbs.Fvck it!I'll just google and see what it weighs...................................................................................................Most smith bars weigh 15-20 lbs,but it varies.Most will say on their what they weigh.I looked on ours though and didn't see it.One guy said some are even made to=0lbs.Guess I'll have to say plates from now on with my smith calf raises.About all that machines good for......
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Mine is 6, I just post weights like the bars don't exist... Its going to differ by manufacturer most likely.
 
pantera101 said:
It says your smith bar weighs 6lbs?I seen some are up to 35,but most are 15-20 is what I read at two different sites.
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You're talkin about the smith bars on the smith machine right?

Depending on which one (incline, decline, Military) its between 6 and 8 pounds at my gym.
 
TimberLakers said:
You're talkin about the smith bars on the smith machine right?

Depending on which one (incline, decline, Military) its between 6 and 8 pounds at my gym.
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Yes.It just seems weird that some weigh an uneven #.And why would it change with the angle?Does it get lighter/heavier the higher/lower the bars set?
 
pantera101 said:
Yes.It just seems weird that some weigh an uneven #.And why would it change with the angle?Does it get lighter/heavier the higher/lower the bars set?
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I can send you the make and model if you want tomorrow... The four factors involved would be the material weight of the bar, the fulcrum point, the point of force (hands are pushing), and where the plates are loaded in relation to these... Once the machine is put together - 3 of those forces are static. The unloaded weight is clearly labeled on all our machines.
 
TimberLakers said:
I can send you the make and model if you want tomorrow... The four factors involved would be the material weight of the bar, the fulcrum point, the point of force (hands are pushing), and where the plates are loaded in relation to these... Once the machine is put together - 3 of those forces are static. The unloaded weight is clearly labeled on all our machines.
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Oh no thats fine man.Just wondering is all.....
 
TimberLakers said:
I can send you the make and model if you want tomorrow... The four factors involved would be the material weight of the bar, the fulcrum point, the point of force (hands are pushing), and where the plates are loaded in relation to these... Once the machine is put together - 3 of those forces are static. The unloaded weight is clearly labeled on all our machines.
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WOOOOOO there HOSS..... you be speaking in ENGINEERING terms brudda.....what cha know about statics????? I impressed for somebody in banking??? I think you said that anyways....you over in heavies world now.......
 
heavies said:
WOOOOOO there HOSS..... you be speaking in ENGINEERING terms brudda.....what cha know about statics????? I impressed for somebody in banking??? I think you said that anyways....you over in heavies world now.......
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Haha, I'm a well read mo-fo... Us bankers gotta branch out once in awhile.
 
TimberLakers said:
Haha, I'm a well read mo-fo... Us bankers gotta branch out once in awhile.
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I was impressed.... the problem involves moment arms, this is described as the product of a force from the center of rotation, the instaneous center, i.e. M=F*d, dynamics is involved when you begin accelerating that mass and that is another whole problem, anyways enough of that SH!T I must now go beat the sh!t outta of my inner nerd........
 
heavies said:
I was impressed.... the problem involves moment arms, this is described as the product of a force from the center of rotation, the instaneous center, i.e. M=F*d, dynamics is involved when you begin accelerating that mass and that is another whole problem, anyways enough of that SH!T I must now go beat the sh!t outta of my inner nerd........
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My inner nerd is suppressed a lot... especially when it wants to get laid.
 
TimberLakers said:
My inner nerd is suppressed a lot... especially when it wants to get laid.
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Liar. :toofunny:

So I just saw the new Rambo movie... Wow Sylvester Stalone has some serious HGH sides... lmao.

Other than me chuckling about that, the movie was soo fvcking brutal! They killed like a thousand people in that movie, no joke. And there were no boring deaths either, everyone went out in some horribly graphic way. Heads exploding, throats being ripped out, people cut in two... my kinda sh*t! I was actually kinda impressed with the movie... but that could just still be the fact that I just got an hdtv and a blu ray player... my sh*t pops now suckas!

Best line of the movie: "Fvck the world." - Rambo.
 
TimberLakers said:
You're talkin about the smith bars on the smith machine right?

Depending on which one (incline, decline, Military) its between 6 and 8 pounds at my gym.
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Smith bars, for all intensive purposes, weights ZERO. Your smith bench is no where near your real bench as the smith is A) much lighter, and B) balanced, thus you can move more "plates" vs. free bench. Nobody should be touting their smith bench as their "bench" weight. Only talk bench when it's free weight bench!!!

Hope the Epi is treating you well dood! I'm on day 4 and will hit back/delts if my arms help up more throughout the day!

Oh, and the free bench bar is 45lbs. Oh, and not sure where BlackSheep got his bench of 336 from....smallest weights I've seen for bench are 2.5lb plates....the addition of any combination of plates (same plates on each side) will not give you 336. Typo?

-Papa!-
 
papapumpsd said:
Oh, and not sure where BlackSheep got his bench of 336 from....smallest weights I've seen for bench are 2.5lb plates....the addition of any combination of plates (same plates on each side) will not give you 336. Typo?

-Papa!-
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It's most likely from going to a max lift site and seeing what it says.Infact I know it is cause I gave him the idea.I just do that cause I don't max out.
 
TimberLakers said:
I've had Blueray for 6 months playa playa..

Now all I gotta do is fine some high def party porn..
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Hell yea, find some with your white ass in it... you know its floating around the internet somewhere frat boy!!!

Off to got tear my delts a new one!
 
GMG760 said:
Hell yea, find some with your white ass in it... you know its floating around the internet somewhere frat boy!!!

Off to got tear my delts a new one!
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Would just like to defend myself quickly.

Timber was NEVER a frat boy... That being said, I did roll up in those b*tches here and there to fight or f*ck.
 
So, I asked this question and got no answer... should I use 6oxo for PCT or is it a moot point because Epi is already an aromatase inhibitor?
 
GMG760 said:
So, I asked this question and got no answer... should I use 6oxo for PCT or is it a moot point because Epi is already an aromatase inhibitor?
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The compound itself will have your estro levels fairly suppressed at the end of the cycle. I suggest an inverse use of the A.I. to the serm to attain best recovery results.
 
GMG760 said:
So, I asked this question and got no answer... should I use 6oxo for PCT or is it a moot point because Epi is already an aromatase inhibitor?
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Heres my PCT Nolva and DTH.Or maybe a couple bulk items instead for test.Lets just say you do the same exact thing.A little ways before you drop the nolva,add the 6oxo.If you want,ramp the dose up.You must ramp it down though,thats not an option.Some say to ramp up,but I never have.I will start restore shortly before I drop my nolva cause I have some left over.Just a low dose to take care of any excess estrogen that may be lingering.The thing is,since Eepithios will already lower your estrogen,you don't want to take something afterwards that will lower your already lowered estrogen.So let it restore itself while you take the nolva so it can't do anything bad,like make boobies!The AI afterwards is just insurance.
 
So today I got shoulders. I was definately feeling more aggressive today at the gym, and I have been pretty short with people, I have been having to "think" about it to be nice to people who deserve it, like my family. The rest of the world can fvck off and deal with my RAGE!!!

I tore it up on shoulders, great pump, feeling like I am growing. I have been eating huge. Grilled up a bunch of fish tonight, it was really good. Speaking of which... it's time to go eat again! hehe. I'll post this first.

Shoulders
Military Press
95x10 warm up, 135x10, 145x8, 155x6 dropped to 135x6, dropped to 95x10.

Upright Rows - 95x10 warm up, 135x10, 145x10 (tough :aargh:), 155x6 really hard. Dropped to 95x10, dropped to 45x10.

Lateral Raise/front raise/rear delt tri set - 20'sx10 each, 30'x10 each for two sets. I was feelin the pain... it is my friend... it tells me I am growing...

BB Shrugs - 315x10x3 sets I hold the last rep as long as my traps will hold out... the first set is usually pretty long... the third is usually not nearly as long.

Hammerstrength military - platesx10, plates+10x10, plates+20x10

felt strong, not amazingly strong, but strong. I think this run is gonna be good.
 
pantera101 said:
Heres my PCT Nolva and DTH.Or maybe a couple bulk items instead for test.Lets just say you do the same exact thing.A little ways before you drop the nolva,add the 6oxo.If you want,ramp the dose up.You must ramp it down though,thats not an option.Some say to ramp up,but I never have.I will start restore shortly before I drop my nolva cause I have some left over.Just a low dose to take care of any excess estrogen that may be lingering.The thing is,since Eepithios will already lower your estrogen,you don't want to take something afterwards that will lower your already lowered estrogen.So let it restore itself while you take the nolva so it can't do anything bad,like make boobies!The AI afterwards is just insurance.
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Thanks homeslice. Mucho appreciated.
 
AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!

I have been on updating my log and my fvcking roomate is watching the movie I rented last night, on my tv with my playstation... and I WANT TO PLAY GTA4 GODDAMN IT. FVCK! I MISSED MY CHANCE BY LIKE 10 MINUTES!!!

But I told him earlier today that he could watch it if he wanted... FVCK ME AND MY STUPID GENEROUSITY COMING BACK TO BITE ME IN THE ASS!

And the thing that sucks is that he is a cool dude, and didn't do anything to deserve my rage but ... FVCK THIS MAKES ME MAD!!!
 
The other PCTs I've seen still use them, becuase you're stopping Epi. oxo usually doesn't start dosing till week two.

That's just what I've read - I'd defer to the experts that have run it..

So Bump Bump.
 
TimberLakers said:
The other PCTs I've seen still use them, becuase you're stopping Epi. oxo usually doesn't start dosing till week two.

That's just what I've read - I'd defer to the experts that have run it..

So Bump Bump.
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Yea, I am gonna run some... I have a bottle of Formadrol by LG... anyone think that I should use oxo instead? If the formadrol is fine, then what should I dose it at?

Thanks guys!
 
TimberLakers said:
The other PCTs I've seen still use them, becuase you're stopping Epi. oxo usually doesn't start dosing till week two.

That's just what I've read - I'd defer to the experts that have run it..

So Bump Bump.
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When running an AI such as oxo you'll want to wait until the end of the 2nd/begining of the 3rd week to start dosing it. Start it high at 300-600 and then tapper it off from there back down to 100mgs ed over the next 4weeks over lapping the serm by at least two weeks BEFORE you discontinue it's use...
 
BlackSheep said:
When running an AI such as oxo you'll want to wait until the end of the 2nd/begining of the 3rd week to start dosing it. Start it high at 300-600 and then tapper it off from there back down to 100mgs ed over the next 4weeks over lapping the serm by at least two weeks BEFORE you discontinue it's use...
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I'm planning to ramp up then down... 100/200/300/200/100.. You think I should just run at 300/200/100/100??
 
TimberLakers said:
Oh man... Please do that... Make me get all amped up tonight!!!

FCUK YOU MIDGET!!!

:head: :head: :head: :head: :head: :head: :head:
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LMFAO thought you'd like that. I think anyone in the Crew would love a chance to sht down her throat lol...I'd like to sht into a condom tie up the end of it and skull fcuk that vag with it until his hair falls out!!:head:
 
BlackSheep said:
LMFAO thought you'd like that. I think anyone in the Crew would love a chance to sht down her throat lol...I'd like to sht into a condom tie up the end of it and skull fcuk that vag with it until his hair falls out!!:head:
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THATS THE SPIRIT!! DESTROYYYY!!!!
 
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