8 weeks of suicide leg workous and EPISTANE...my log

ibanezman08

ibanezman08

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ok guys, i'll be doing a cycle of epistane starting tomorrow God willing. i already got it all planned out so i don't need any advice. however, you can chime in if you like if you have a suggestions/constructive critisism.

i will be posting my cycle. i'm going to try to write what i take everyday but forgive me if i don't have enough time to post a day's log entry. i'm a busy mofo. i will also be posting my meals for everyday as well as my training and any experiences i'm having that may be related to my cycle.

for those of you that don't know, epistane is an over-the-counter product so it is 100% legal. it is marketed as a pro-hormone but infact, it is actually AAS!

here's my cycle.

i will be pulsing Epistane. the reason i'm pulsing is because this is my first cycle and i don't want to be experiencing some of the side effects that come with taking it every day, i don't have the money to be spending on liver support and all that, and i don't want to spend money on an expensive post cycle thearapy. don't worry, i've done my research and this is a pretty safe way to go about doing it.

so for those of you that don't know what pulsing is, it's basically taking the compound 3-4 times a week or every other day at a slightly higher dose instead of taking it every day. it takes twice as long to gain this way. there are several benefits to cycleing this way. one, is, since i'm going to be taking 30mg of epistane 3 times a week, i'm not giving it enough time to shut me down (I'll still be shut down a little but nothing compared to an ED cycle). so in other words, by cycleing this way, i will have verry little shutdown. also, my liver is going to be a lot more relaxed than if i were taking 20mg everyday for 3 weeks. if i did a streight cycle of epi by taking it every day, i would have to run liver support while one, and for post cycle, i'd have to run an anti-estrogen, testoserone booster, cortizol blocker, and i really don't have the money for all that. with pulsing, since you get very little shutdown, i'm really only going to run Post Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations for my PCT. it's got the hawthornberry extract in there for your blood pressure, test-booster/estrogen blocker already in there and plus it does things to bring your libido back to normal (horney goat weed). by doing a streight cycle for example, if someone gained 12lbs in 3 weeks, by pulsing, you'd gain 10lbs in 8 weeks or so theoretically. so since i'm pulsing this oral, i'm able to take it for more than twice as long. slower gains like these are more likely to be kept than the faster gains anyway. so i might end up keeping about 8lbs of lean mass in the end. let's see.

so this is my cycle

this week

Tuesday - 10mg Epi before workout
Thursday - 20mg (10mg before workout, 10mg after)
Saturday - 30mg (20mg before workout, 10mg after)

and then i'll just stay at 30mg for a week and a half or so and if i feel the need, i'll bump it up to 40mg.

so it's just gonna be 3 times a week. that's it. for 8 weeks. i'll probably have some Epi left over from doing this way. that way, i can run 2 cycles with one bottle. MAYBE. i won't be doing another cycle for a while after this one. i wanna give my body some time to recover.

for PCT 8 weeks from now,

Post Cycle Support
2 caps in AM, 2 caps in the PM for 5 weeks

does anybody think i should run it for longer? we'll see.


nutrition:

i'm currently cutting but i'm going to be switching to a bulk phaze just for the cycle and durring post cycle thearapy and then, God willing, i'll go back to cutting. i'm 10% bodyfat right now and shouldn't gain much fat while on Epistane so i figured i might as well go all out. i WILL be eating as clean as i can though.

i want to be having

4500 calories daily
around 380g of carbohydrates
about 255g of protein
and about 80g of fat

right now i'm 5'4, 171lbs at 10% bodyfat

i hopefully will be doing low intensity cardio twice a week for 30 min.

and this is my split right now

Monday - off
Tuesday - Shoulders/Traps/Abbs
Wednesday - Bicep/Triceps
Thursday - Legs/Calves
Friday - Off
Saturday - Chest
Sunday - Back/Calves

wish me luck guys and hit me up if y'all got any questions
 
oh yeah, he's some before pictures...

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the first pic is me at 176lbs at my heaviest but bloated. i think i was around 15% bodyfat.

the second one is another recent one as well at 10% but the flash took away almost all defenition.

the others are a little older.
 
You already have some hefty wheels, there...so I am definitely intrigued to follow along.
 
I'd really like to follow this one. I'm interested in seeing the effects from a pulse like this.

How safe is it to assume that it really won't shut down or that it'll be a slower / safer one? Cause this would really interest me as I'm in the same position as you - very low on cash - so not having to buy SERM and all the others would be great.

I'd like to see some input on sides - if any - to maybe try this one myself as well.

And random question, with a pulse like this, would it be any safe to have an occasional drink here and there (especially if running cycle support along)?

Above everything, really interested! Good luck on this one!
 
bla55 said:
I'd really like to follow this one. I'm interested in seeing the effects from a pulse like this.

How safe is it to assume that it really won't shut down or that it'll be a slower / safer one? Cause this would really interest me as I'm in the same position as you - very low on cash - so not having to buy SERM and all the others would be great.

well, it IS safer than running a normal cycle. but nothing is guarenteed. i didn't say it will not shut you down cuz it def. will. you just won't be nearly as shut down as if you ran a normal cycle. for example, since you take it for one day and then next day you don't, you don't really give you balls enough time to shrink really.

I'd like to see some input on sides - if any - to maybe try this one myself as well.

when you get a chance, search for the thread titled, "how to pulse orals". it's very informative. it is true that you experience less side effects when pulsing but that doesn't mean you're not going to expereince any.

And random question, with a pulse like this, would it be any safe to have an occasional drink here and there (especially if running cycle support along)?

would it be safe? IMO, no!

Above everything, really interested! Good luck on this one!
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my answers are in bold.
 
alright. one thing before i start this...i eat what i can afford to eat. i'm a little low on cash atm cuz i got some things to pay. so i'll be drinking a lot of shakes.

today's meals

8:00 - Meal 1
Big bowl of frosted mini wheats
10 oz fruit juice
2 scoops of optimum nutrition whey protien

big meal so it took a while to digest

11:30 - 10mg Epistane

12:00-2:00 - workout Shoulders/Traps/Abdominals

Meal 2
3 cups of whole grain pasta
6oz chicken breast
10oz fruit juice
3 scoops of true mass

meal 3
3 cups of whole grain pasta
3 scoops of true mass
water

meal 4
2 scoops of ON whey

meal 5
1 can of tuna
16oz diet cranberry juice

Calories - 4060
carbohydrates - 451g
protein - 255g
fat - 137g (oops haha)

don't worry i have a fast metabolism

workout

Shoulders/Traps/Abdominals

Seated Dumbbell Side Laterals
1x20 15lbs
1x15 20lbs
rotator cuff warm ups
Seated Dumbbell Press
1x20 25lbs
1x15 35lbs
1x12 50lbs
1x7 60lbs
2x8 55lbs
Standing Barbell Press
1x15 65lbs
1x10 95lbs
2x8 105lbs
1x6 115lbs
Standing Dumbbel Front Raise
1x10 15lbs
1x10 20lbs
1x10 25lbs
1x10 30lbs
Standing Side Lateral Giant Sets
2 sets of
30lbsx8, 25lbsx8, 20lbsx8, 15lbsx8
Cable Side Laterals Behind the Back
1x12 15lbs
1x10 20lbs
1x10 25lbs
Reverse Flies on the pec deck
1x20 40lbs
1x15 50lbs
1x15 60lbs
Barbell Shrugs (lightweight)
3x12 135lbs
Romanian Chair Lifts
3x15
Machine Crunches
3x20 50lbs

good workout. i can definalty notice something different. although i don't know what.

strength is down cuz i've been off creatine for a while and it's finally starting to wear off.

the reason why my weights are so low is that i wait very little time between sets. also, i pre-exhausted my delts with the side laterals. i get better size when they're already fatigued.

great workout

one thing i noticed today is that women were 10x more attrative than usual. i doubt it's the epi cuz i only took 10mg.

also, i think i MIGHT feel that overall sense of well being or the "on gear" feeling. but not sure. all i know is i felt good today. a little tired toward the end of the shift but that is usually normal.

thanks for tuning in.
 
ok, no epi today. just training and eating

meal 1

big bowl of wheaties w/whole milk
10oz orange juice
2 scoops of whey

workout

meal 2 (post workout cheat meal)
Giant burger:
steak, lettus, tomato, cheeze, bacon, special sause, white bread.
soda

meal 3
3 scoops of true mass

meal 4
2 cups of brown rice
water
3 scoops of true mass

meal 5
2 scoops of optimum whey

meal 6
1 can of tuna
diet juice

workout - biceps/triceps

EZ bar standing spider curls
1x20 40lbs
2x15 50lbs
1x12 60lbs
Standing Dumbbell Curl
1x10 25lbs
Drop Set 35lbsx8 20lbsx10
Drop set 35lbsx8 25lbsx8
Really slow reps Set 2x8 30lbs
Cable Preacher Curls (pause reps)
3x10 30lbs
Rope Pushdowns (warm up)
3 warm up sets to warm up the elbows
Incline EZ bar overhead extensions (preacher curl pad)
1x15 40lbs
1x10 50lbs
1x10 60lbs
1x8 70lbs
Seated One Arm overhead extensions
1x12 15lbs
1x10 20lbs
2x8 25lbs
Machine Dips
1x20 70lbs
1x15 130lbs
1x10 175lbs
1x10 200lbs
1x10 210lbs
Cable Incline Tricep Extension
3x15-20 30lbs

same thing as yesterday. very short rest times so weights weren't high. got a rediculous pump.

strangly, i still feel like i'm "on" even though i only took 10mg yesterday. not sure if it's related but i got pissed off today cuz my workout partner was taking too long on his set so i told him to get the **** off the machine and let me work in cuz i was cooling down. the mofo takes so long just to sit on the ****ing machine. anyway, hopefully this isn't roid rage cuz this isn't like me.
i know i sound like a total n00b since in only took 10mg yesterday. but i think maybe since i'm a small dude, it's stronger for me.

and i also thing i'm more agressive in the gym. not only did my vascularity improve and my pumps are rediculous, but...i'm a crazy mofo.

those dumbbell curl drop sets weren't easy but i was like tom platz on those. i LOVED the pain!

this was literally my intensity today with biceps

YouTube - Pete Siegel's Power Hypnosis With Mr. Universe Tom Platz

only without all the noise and grunting. i ****ing LOVE the pain. it's hard to describe. but i just don't care anymore. pain is nothing.

anyway, maybe it's all psychological but that was me at the gym today. totally different. CRAZY!

also, i'm becoming selfish. i didn't give a **** about my friend's workout today. i just wanted to get MY workout done.

did anybody experience ANY of this with their first dose?

tomorrow God willing is 20mg epistane and a crazy leg workout.
 
I'm thinking it's the excitement causing a placebo effect. It could be the 10mg, but I doubt it. When you get that "on" feeling i'm sure it's going to be very difficult for you to deal with your partner's lack of dedication IMO.

I had this problem with Superdrol a long time ago. I didn't want him to help me with my last reps and he thought he was helping, but things settled down after a while.
 
yeah you're right
it might just be the excitement.

it's funny
one little pill of epistane and i'm already talking about roid rage, high libido, and the "on" feeling.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
i hear ya buddy
what i'm doing now is a big nono. you're being nice about it. what you should be saying is EAT SOME DAMN FOOD! hahaha

however, it's all i can afford at the moment ya know?
 
ibanezman08 said:
i hear ya buddy
what i'm doing now is a big nono. you're being nice about it. what you should be saying is EAT SOME DAMN FOOD! hahaha

however, it's all i can afford at the moment ya know?
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Here's something you might want to consider dood for keeping costs down on the grub:
Buy chicken on sale ($2/lb for skinless/boneless chicken breasts)....bulk purchase that $hit (25lbs?). I like to grill out at least 5lbs at a time. Bulk cooking! I also make a TON of brown rice on the stove or whole grain pasta (2 boxes at a time). Lasts a while and it's CHEAP! Now, just buy a bunch of bags of frozen veggies.

Maybe get Costco or Sam's Club card? IDK, sometimes I question the value of those places. I am not a current member as I seem to have great luck buying at regular stores when food is on sale. :) Good luck on Epi bro.

BTW, I felt my 1st 10mg of Epi....more vasculated just walking around. On 30mg....(day 2), it was def. noticeable.

-Papa!-
 
I told you that I'd check your sh*t out! Keep up the good work bro! Oidric and I are running something when I get back to normal (probably a month or two). Anyways, I'll see you at the gym. Keep killing the cals and wrecking the weights!
 
papapumpsd said:
Here's something you might want to consider dood for keeping costs down on the grub:
Buy chicken on sale ($2/lb for skinless/boneless chicken breasts)....bulk purchase that $hit (25lbs?). I like to grill out at least 5lbs at a time. Bulk cooking! I also make a TON of brown rice on the stove or whole grain pasta (2 boxes at a time). Lasts a while and it's CHEAP! Now, just buy a bunch of bags of frozen veggies.

Maybe get Costco or Sam's Club card? IDK, sometimes I question the value of those places. I am not a current member as I seem to have great luck buying at regular stores when food is on sale. :) Good luck on Epi bro.

BTW, I felt my 1st 10mg of Epi....more vasculated just walking around. On 30mg....(day 2), it was def. noticeable.

-Papa!-
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thanks buddy!
yeah i buy chicken breast on sale all the time. right now, i don't have ANY CASH AT ALL to spend on protein. i should be alright within' the next couple of weeks once i take care of some payments.

thanks for the info and for lookin' out man.
 
Beige said:
I told you that I'd check your sh*t out! Keep up the good work bro! Oidric and I are running something when I get back to normal (probably a month or two). Anyways, I'll see you at the gym. Keep killing the cals and wrecking the weights!
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wut up homie. who's Oidric?

thanks for stopping by and please do so in the near future. i can use your input/knowledge maybe later down the road if things get complicated (which they shouldn't but you never know).

may i ask what you'll be running? kinda excited to see you get back and running. you're getting there though. day by day.
 
Today - 20mg Epistane

meal 1
Big Bowl of Wheaties w/whole milk
10oz orange juice
2 scoops of whey

10 mg Epistane
Workout

meal 2
2 Double Cheezeburgers
10oz orange juice

10mg Epistane

meal 3
3 scoops of true mass

meal 4
3 cups of whole grain pasta
water
3 scoops of true mass

meal 5
2 scoops of whey

meal 6
can of tuna
glass of diet juice

same **** today for diet. i just wanna say that my metabolism is crazy so don't thing that because eating 2 double cheeze burgers post workout works for me, that it's gonna work for you.

workout - Quads/Hamstrings/Calves

Leg Extension
1x20 40lbs
1x20 70lbs
1x15 115lbs
1x15 145lbs
1x15 160lbs
1x15 170lbs
Leg Press (FULL ROM, ALL THE WAY DOWN)
1x12 2 plates each side
1x10 4 plates
1x8 5 plates
1x8 6 plates
1x7 6 plates
Hack Squat (ALL THE WAY DOWN)
1x8 1 plate each side
1x8 2 plates
1x8 2 plates and a quarter
1x8 3 plates
Smith Machine Front Squat (FULL ROM, ALL THE WAY DOWN)
1x10 105lbs (what would be 135lbs free weight)
1x8 125lbs
1x8 155lbs
Barbell Stiff Legged Deadlift
1x12 135lbs
1x10 225lbs
1x8 245lbs
Seated Leg Curl (slow reps)
1x12 120lbs
1x12 150lbs
1x10 165lbs
1x10 180lbs
Drop Set 195lbsx8 105lbsx12
Pause Reps (hold each rep at the bottom) 3x12 120lbs
Incline Standing Calf Raises (hold each rep at peak, stretch all the way down, slow on negative)
1x12 20lbs
1x12 40lbs
1x12 60lbs
Seated Calf Raise (same way)
4x12 45lbs

crazy workout. intensity was up. i had no mercy on my hamstrings today. i burned them like i never have before. if i did what i'm doing now to my hamstrings a couple weeks ago, i wouldn've thrown up for sure. but since i've been doing a lot of drop sets, i'm in really good shape right now.

nothing has changed as far as how i feel that's related to epistane. i felt kinda moody today. everything annoyed me and when i was using the vacuum at work, the extension chord kept getting tangled up and unplugging the damn thing so i threw the hose. not sure if it's related to my cycle but i'm usually an angry person like that. felt really lethargic today before work. but i think that could be related to my suicide leg workout. oh trust me dude, it was insanityx10.

tomorrow is no work and no workout, no epistane. complete rest day God willing. so it's just eating.

hopefully, on saturday, i'll bump it up to 30mg before my chest day!

tune in for the next episode of kenny's epistane cycle. until next time folks.
 
papapumpsd said:
BTW, I felt my 1st 10mg of Epi....more vasculated just walking around. On 30mg....(day 2), it was def. noticeable.

-Papa!-
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Hey Ibanez maybe you're not crazy after all :toofunny:

I hate you for being able to eat cheeseburgers like that, i'm definitely jealous man.
 
Condition1 said:
Hey Ibanez maybe you're not crazy after all :toofunny:

I hate you for being able to eat cheeseburgers like that, i'm definitely jealous man.
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I do want to say that I'm recently off an IGF-1 run, and the true effects of IGF manifest themselves after the actual run itself (it's a peptide taken for its long-term results, unlike a PH/DS). Just wanted to throw that out there as to not mislead. But I will say that the pump I felt at day 2 (30mg) is the same when I'm not in the gym...ie, forearms are swoled up and vasculated just sitting at my desk. :)

Ok, back to this dewd's log!

-Papa!-
 
oh yeah, i forgot to post my favorite pic
check back to my second post if anybody wants to see a lat spread pic. that's me at 15% bodyfat.

imagine what it looks like now at 10%
 
nice log .. im just curious ..where can u get epi over the counter ?

also i see in 2days u bumped it up to 20mg .. how long you planning on staying on 20mg ? and will 30mg be the max ?

interested log .. sucks to see u lost those 5lbs .. good luck on ya cycle bro
 
GQNemesis said:
nice log .. im just curious ..where can u get epi over the counter ?

also i see in 2days u bumped it up to 20mg .. how long you planning on staying on 20mg ? and will 30mg be the max ?

interested log .. sucks to see u lost those 5lbs .. good luck on ya cycle bro
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i actually ordered my epi online.

i bumped it up to 30mg today and plan on staying at that for AT LEAST a week if not longer. the max will be 40mg i think. unless i really see no changes. then i'll just bump it to 50mg but i don't think i'll have to do that. hope not cuz then i might consider buying liver support.

it does suck that i lost 5lbs. even if just water, water helps lubricate my joints and keeps me a little stronger.
 
ok, today i took 30mg of epistane.

i did chest but it sucked. my strength is down a little probably due to my loss of water (IDK). but i couldn't really get a good pump either.

so far, these are DEFINATE side effects i've been experiencing.

overall sense of well-being
Libido boost
Lethargy (today it was bad)
increased agression towards weights
sleeping like a baby everynight
slight loss of appetite
Rage

about the rage, here's what happened today.

i came to the gym and people were already starting to piss me off. i was in one of those moods where everything annoys the **** out of me.

anyway, i went in to do some flat bench press.

on one of my lighter sets toward the end, the people next to me were being so loud that i couldn't concentrate and i hit the barbell to the things stickin' out where you rack it. this completely ruined a greatly anticipated set of mine and then i couldn't get the weight up.

my friend (who was one of the loud dudes), can rushing to help me out. and i told him thanks buddy. but soon after, i felt this huge rush of anger that i've never felt before. i blew up and kicked the bench so hard that now i have a bruise on my foot. i felt like yelling the F word really loud.

i took a walk around my whole gym, then came back and racked all my weights and moved on to the next machine. this old lady was staring at me for literally 5 minutes streight and she should thank God that eventually she looked away cuz i was about to blow up on her too.

so, so far, i've been expereincing these side effects and no gains yet.

i can't wait until the gains kick in because i'm not liking the lethargy or the rage. the lethargy makes me not want to work out and i can't sit and watch a movie cause i'll fall asleep. and i've been getting 8 hours of sleep every night.

if this keeps up, i might just abort the mission lol. cuz like underconstruction said, he didn't really get very good gains from pulsing the dbol. i seriously doubt i'm gonna get real good gains with this pulse.

but for now, i'll keep taking it. my next dose is tuesday at 30mg again.

anybody have any advice on how to deal with all of this?
 
ibanezman08 said:
i actually ordered my epi online.

i bumped it up to 30mg today and plan on staying at that for AT LEAST a week if not longer. the max will be 40mg i think. unless i really see no changes. then i'll just bump it to 50mg but i don't think i'll have to do that. hope not cuz then i might consider buying liver support.

it does suck that i lost 5lbs. even if just water, water helps lubricate my joints and keeps me a little stronger.
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cool .. how's ure hunger on epi ?and are you consuming 1-2gallons a day atleast ?

i would just be patient .. gains should come .. i have read some great reviews on epi .. i cant wait to try it out myself .. you can however stack trena or xtreme tren for xtra gains.:bb3:
 
GQNemesis said:
cool .. how's ure hunger on epi ?and are you consuming 1-2gallons a day atleast ?

i would just be patient .. gains should come .. i have read some great reviews on epi .. i cant wait to try it out myself .. you can however stack trena or xtreme tren for xtra gains.:bb3:
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i have a SLIGHT loss of appetite when on epistane so far. nothing major. i can still get all my macros in. it's just a little harder. i have to force it.

yeah, i'm consuming about 1 1/2 gallons of water a day.

thanks. i will be patient. it's just psychologically hard dealing with these side effects and actually having slight negative progress. and i'm eating more than i was before the cycle.

we'll see.

this is all really embarassing but hey, i'm a gear n00b and i'm not gonna sit here and act like i'm some sort of guru.
 
good luck on your cycle of epistane. I have seen decent results, nothing mind boggling. But i havent been 100 % dedicated, had a lot of distractions (work, divorce, etc.) that have kept me out of the gym some days.

As far as your concerns about gains- I didnt feel much until i got to 30-40 mg.
 
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