America Rules, England sucks
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kruzedgar
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Lol, funny clip! I nearly told you where to shove it though as i'm from England. It was only when I watched I realised the guy was making fun of the U.S. Its ok to make fun of yourself, just not other people!
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that was awesome... i love that pres bush is pictured next to jesus in his house...
BodyWizard
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"...got nearly exterminated by them," you mean...
b unit
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no different to a lot of the indigenous people/cultures from all the countries that make up the "commonwealth"
HardTrainer
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English, British, British, English... I see Americans still don't know the difference 
Funny vid though
Funny vid though
HardTrainer
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Woah guys. Sounds to me like you're accusing the English of mass genocide. Now I'm usually the first in line to criticise my country's history, not least the stuff that went on in the 'empire'. We invaded and screwed up alot of the world, the after-effects of which can still be felt in places like Iraq today. The facts are there I don't have a problem admiting to that.
But "exterminating" people...? That's something else entirely. You needs to have your facts pretty straight before you start accusing a people of genocide.
I hate to lower the tone of a thread that started of as a joke, but accusing my country of "exterminating" people is not something I can leave unanswered.
b unit
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dude, body wizard wrote "nearly exterminated by them"
key word here is "nearly" and there was no mention of the word genocide.
and i'm not looking to get into a piss fight here, i don't have anything personal against anyone who's from england except the royal family but that's a whole different topic.
i live in new zealand, was born in new zealand, i'm of mixed culture and i know my countries history very well, i live in a region rich in history both native and colonial.
futurepilot
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That sucks that party pills are illegal now, i was planning a trip there with a friend of mine who did a semester in Queensland.
b unit
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i think ireland still has legal party pills containing bzp FP, there's still no reason why you can't still come to new zealand bro, it's still a great place.
FYI Queensland is a state in Australia however we do have a city called Queenstown which is a tourist mecca.
cheers
futurepilot
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Your right queenstown, ya i would love to go mountain climbing and zorbing in NZ.
HardTrainer
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Ok man. But to me "nearly exterminated" still implies "tried to exterminate", which is no less of an accusation.
I'm not looking for a fight either, just criticising a very poor choice of words. I guess misunderstandings happen.
BodyWizard
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I don't imagine they went into great detail about Edward II's "conquest" of the Welsh when you were in school, any more than our schools went into detail about US support for tyrants & dictators around the world - or our own near-extermination of "the Indians". My own research is hardly state-of-the-art, but I'm pretty good at putting together the pieces of historical puzzles, and all the evidence (to me) seems to indicate that Edward simply killed everyone he could find in Wales. Of course, he didn't kill *everyone*: but the Welsh have not recovered to this day - call it "ethnic cleansing" if you like, but the English learned it from the Romans (for whom the English ruling-class have traditionally been totally queer) long before we learned it from the by-now-British
Not out to insult my/our English brothers: each nation has tragedy in its past. Better to own up w/ clear eyes than to spin, dodge & dissemble (and yes, I mean to apply that to US as well - principle is principle).
Zero V
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:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:
BodyWizard
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Choose your own words, then: how would YOU characterise it?
HardTrainer
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Ok. With regard to EdwardII, there's such a thing as historical context. You're citing an example of something that happened 700 years ago. I doubt there existed a monarch in that period that couldn't be accused of horrific war crimes when judged by modern moral standards, including Welsh and Scottish ones. Edward II was probably responsible for the death of just as many English peasants as he was Welsh and Scottish. There's no justifying it, but that's just the way the world worked back then.
If you stretch back the timeline to include medieval times then yes, the English could be accused of "exterminating" as indeed could any monarch/nation that existed as that time. But I think it's wrong to single out any nation for it when discussing modern day relationships between countries.
And more to the point I think it was wrong of B unit to expand the "extermination" to cover the commonwealth, a period full of atrocities which we can judge by modern moral standards and I can reasonably be expected to "own up to with clear eyes". Hence why other people throwing around words like "extermination", no light accusation, has a great deal of importance to me. I hope you can appreciate that, if not, then there's not much more I can say. I won't bother continuing to argue my point, I don't want to see the thread spiral into a long pointless argument. If you want to reply though I will of course read it.
Side note: For what it's worth, I'm geniunly impressed by your apparent knowledge of British history. It's very rare for any non-British person to have a knowledge of that period of British history that goes beyond having seen Braveheart. Although I'd disagree with your statement: "the English learned it from the Romans". You have to bare in mind that England was totally conquered twice in between the Romans leaving and the reign of Edward II. First the Saxons and then the Normans. The English around under Edward II were, by and large, not the descendants of those who were around under the Romans. Most of them fled, interestingly, to Wales when the Saxons came.
b unit
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HT, when i replied to body wizard's comment "got nearly exterminated by them," i replied to those words and not to "tried to exterminate"
"...got nearly exterminated by them," can be an unintentional or intentional act
"tried to exterminate" means it was intentional
had body wizard said "tried to exterminate" then my reply would have been very different.
it is very clear that our inturpurtations differ and that's cool, i live in a "commonwealth" country which was colonialised and settled with a very dark history and you live in england which is very different.
and those atrocities you mentioned that happened spo long ago are still being felt today and my countries govt is still trying to right the wrongs of what the "empire" did back in the 1800's.
the empire stole, killed and cheated the Maori's of their land in the name of england while today the taxpayers of my country have to fund the treaty settlements for billions of dollars to this very day and beyond.
the empire did all they could in the 1800's to stop the natives from using their native language, traditions and medicines.
peace to you and all
HardTrainer
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Well... can't argue with that
b unit
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b unit
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zero, it's called cricket, it's an old english game that is played in summer and is played internationally between the following countries
england
south africa
australia
new zealand
pakistan
india
sri lanka
west indies
baseball came from it
here is an american perspective on cricket
Zero V
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I know what cricket is. lol, I was just making a joke.
b unit
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never joke about cricket bro :stick:
Zero V
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lol. I love the british, mainly their women, but still. Their idea of what is hardcore isnt the same as mine. They do wrestle though(folkstyle/freestyle) which is as hardcore as you get so... I guess they got it.
I mean, america won WWII
b unit
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dorian yates was hardcore, blood and guts, ahead of his time although i didn't care much for his physique, he did train like a madman!
I mean, america won WWII
only because they turned up 2 years too late :stick:
Zero V
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Hey it was a tactical entry. Besides when america showed up the british was fighting the war like it was WWI and the british general wanted to fill in nthe ranks with the fresh american troos. We said hecks no, and did our own style of simple rush the enemy, no holds barge line assaults. Trench warfare didn go too well in WWII. Plus the Japs started it....
America stormed the beaches, broke the lines, and pushed back the enemy!!!!
I actually give the french credit for their undergound forces that kept fighting even though it seemed impossible. The british were awsome in africa against the Africa Korps, most notably the desert rats(who were using outdated weapons)
But the americans brought that good old fashioned home grilled style can of whoop and changed how the war was being fought. Though the sherman was an extremly light tank compared to the panzer IV's panzer III's and Tiger I's, the panther(german tank killer), (I dont coutn Tiger II's because they came out late in the war) the shermans did triumph, usually by sacrifice.
I mean one record is of a commander who rammed his sherman into the side of a Tiger tank so that it couldnt turn its turrent and immobolized it and went into hand to hand combat with tank crews.
Another was of 3000 retreated infantry that were being mowed down by a column of Panzers, and there was a sherman unit nearby. They were given permission to intervene, but they didnt have to. Each crew got the choice of staying behind or going and facing the panzers to try and save the 3000 infantry. Every sherman went to the battle that day, not a single crew was left alive. The infantry excaped though. Every sherman tank crew chose sacrifice to save 3000 men. a handfull of shermans vs an column of panzers is not pretty, and is extremly once sided.
The british did an awsome job too....they just didnt fair as well.
God I need to get off WWII, i love histroy so much.
PS.>>> sry for all the typos, rushed entry, gotta run!
futurepilot
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b unit
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you don't mix words do you FP? shoot straight from the hip.
the bomb sure did bring things to a halt.
the thing was that america felt sorry for japan not long after that and ended up helping them become the motor vehicle super power of the world by helping them build state of the art factories to make the cars and motorbikes that killed detroit.
ironic stuff
futurepilot
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Oh man, your telling me, i used to live in Detroit untill about 1st year of high school.
We demolished Japan, then rebuilt it to be a nation of the future, while we, for the most part, ignored our own survival.
I dont mean to sound calous by my remark, i dont support the killing of 100,000+ civilians with the bombs we dropped. But it happened, and no one in their right mind has f'd with the US since.
b unit
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the bombs were a necessary evil IMHO
Zero V
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Probably not until it was just germany and japan vs. U.S and Russia. If the japs hadent brought us in, I thinkg we wouldnt have britain today...
Guess britain should thank the japanese for unkowlingly saving their butts
Zero V
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Sometimes the line between right and wrong becomes blurred. This is usually during a time of war. I have weir opinions about war, so I keep em to myself. Soldiers are some of the few people who EARN the right to call themselves men. All these office jobs...You could overun american civilians (90%) with ping pong paddles today. Our military is still top notch though.
But in my opinion the greatest and most skilled soldiers to ever step on a battlefield....Russian Spetsnaz
futurepilot
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Aren't you going to become a student minister?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Zero V
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The following expresses religius beliefs of Zero V
Yes I am, well youth pastor.
But I tend to think like a poet. As a christian, death is not a bad thing. So when people die its more like, "I hope they was saved", not oh my God hes dead. I will see everyone again someday. Close friends and family hurt to lose, but if they are saved in christ then they are not lost, just home.
In the bible Sampson(most non christians even know of him) was the strongman in the old testament. Well once he was betrayed and his hair was cut and he was captured an dhis eyes gouged out.... He stood between two pillars of the church as they all mocked him. His last prayer to God was for one last bit of strength to take every one else down with him. And it was granted. He was given the strength to rip down the pillars and bring the church down on everyone inside.
A christian has a right to kill when it is to protect his family,land, country which means War.
The lines blur when a 16 year old girl with an AK is taking shots at you and you spin around and put a 5.56 in her head....
the lines blur when a little kid runs up to your buddy and when he picks him up they both explode.
There comes a time where survival means a person who knows not what they do or who may even be innocent completly may have to lose their life.
If they are speaking a language you dontk now, your yelling STOP, STOP , STOP NOW, and they keep getting closer trying to yell at you in another language. Bam, Bam Bam. It aint worth the risk of it being an enemy trying to close the distance, it has happened too much.
War is hell. So of course hellish things are going to happen. Better to accept it, learn it, know it, than to try and hide from it.
I could very well get killed on a missionary trip someday, thats life. Death is the only promise given to every one no matter what. Salvation is if it is asked for, but too many dont ask or dont work for it...
Eventually the entire world will be wiped out with its love for nukes, high tech living, etc.
Zero V
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Good point. I think we had enough of this on that one thread..... lol.
England aint so bad in the very end. They gave us shawn of the dead and hot fuzz.
b unit
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futurepilot
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Well, that would actually be an integral part of why england sucks...but i dont have any intention of starting a squable about religion.