3AD help please
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Etomic
Member
Dosing 3-AD, I think was said, does not matter when you take it in relation to workout; it only matters that it is spread about 8hrs apart between doses. I am currently on and don't notice a difference whether I take it an hour pre-workout or 5hrs pre-workout. You could probably take it an hour before workout it you really wanted, but it is highly recommended that you do not dose 3-AD before your second meal as it needs a lot of fat to absorb well and high fat is not good for breaking fast. I am following this advice and am extremely satisfied so far; I am 12 days in and up 7lbs.
gltrdone83
Member
I would recommend that you take 3-AD with your second meal of the day and to take it w/ 15-20g of fat. High fat meals shouldn't be consumed for breakfast so I would wait and dose it with your second meal.
VolcomX311
Legend
I'm on the 6 caps a day plan, so would taking it with breakfast still be a bad idea?
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Taking a really fatty meal will grealy slow down the absorption of nutrients.
When you wake up, you haven't had anything to eat for a long assed time, and have been funtioning off stored energy in the body; hence, you are in a catabolic state. First thing in the morning is a crucial time to take in carbs and protein and get the body back into an anabolic state. Taking with a big load of fats, absorption can be lowered.
It is because of this, that we do not recommend taking 3-AD with your first meal or your post workout nutrition. It is not the end of the world, but it is the AX recommendation for getting the most mileage from your bottle of 3-AD.
VolcomX311
Legend
Is 20g of fat high enough to consider it an inhibitor of other nutrients?
So basically, taking the 6 dose route is more encumbering then its worth and the 4 cap route is more reasonable, is sort of the vibe I'm picking up. Because the spread of the dosing time would either HAVE to be one early morning, or the last pretty late at night, where the high fats may be more detrimental... hmmm... decisions, decisions. Maybe an 8 week run on 4 caps would be better then my intended 30 days on 6.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Not inhibit, but slow down/delay. It takes a long time for fatty meals to break down in the stomach.
VolcomX311
Legend
Gotcha...
Has 3-AD with MassFX and Hyperx2 been addressed already? Good idea or overing doing idea?
T-AD
Well-known member
What do you mean, good idea to stack them all together? If that's the question, I'd leave out HX2 and save it for your PCT. Dosing MassFX with 3-AD is a good prospect, and one that I'll be doing shortly.
Sinner had said before that taking MFX with fats will help absorption, but I think that taking 3-AD with the fats is more important for absorption. Typically, when we recommend MFX dosing protocols, they revolve around workout time - i.e., dosing 4 caps/day, taking 2 pre-w/o and the other 2 as singlg-cap doses spread throughout the day. With or without meals is up to you and your stomach, IMO. I think that the two recommendations here - the food-oriented 3-AD dosing vs. the w/o time dosing of MFX - can get a bit complicated. But each of us is different, and we all understand that nobody wants to set their alarm clock to go off every 2 hours just to get their pills in at the right time. If it works for you and it follows as much of our recommendations, then go for it!
VolcomX311
Legend
What do you mean, good idea to stack them all together? If that's the question, I'd leave out HX2 and save it for your PCT. Dosing MassFX with 3-AD is a good prospect, and one that I'll be doing shortly.
Sinner had said before that taking MFX with fats will help absorption, but I think that taking 3-AD with the fats is more important for absorption. Typically, when we recommend MFX dosing protocols, they revolve around workout time - i.e., dosing 4 caps/day, taking 2 pre-w/o and the other 2 as singlg-cap doses spread throughout the day. With or without meals is up to you and your stomach, IMO. I think that the two recommendations here - the food-oriented 3-AD dosing vs. the w/o time dosing of MFX - can get a bit complicated. But each of us is different, and we all understand that nobody wants to set their alarm clock to go off every 2 hours just to get their pills in at the right time. If it works for you and it follows as much of our recommendations, then go for it!
Hey Tim, hardest working rep in show biz. I may have to take a look at how you're dosing your stack. I'm running 3-AD with MassFX in a couple days, and I'd like to see how you work out the timing constraints. Thanks for the response.
colindep
Member
Up seven pounds already, thats awesome!
Etomic
Member
Thanks, but unfortunately it dropped back to +4 from the start. Must have been water retention.
colindep
Member
Have you finished your cycle? How are your strength gains? Did you dose 4 or 6 caps? I just kicked my dose upto 6 caps and Im up 3lbs in five days.
Etomic
Member
I am running 4caps/day, 16 days in and am greatly considering running another bottle before I end this cycle. Strength gains so far are like light and day; work sets are up on everything by 20-30lbs except curls. Weight gain/leanness seems to by cyclical. First few days, I seemed to lean out quick, then I gained a few lbs quick, then I bloated up, and now I'm leaning out again while diet remained the same throughout. If it helps, I am also new to the ph scene with 1 cycle of SDNG as prior exp.
3lbs in 5 days is awesome, how far along are you? Strength gains the biggest difference for you too?
3lbs in 5 days is awesome, how far along are you? Strength gains the biggest difference for you too?
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
For the 6 cap dose just use 3 caps twice per day. This way you dont have to worry about getting 20gms of fat with breakfast or post workout.
20gms of fat is enough to seriously blunt glucose response from carsb/protein when using a glucometer.
The day broken by meal could look like this:
Breakfast: low fat, mix of carbs with a mix of protein, higher amount of whey to casein.
2nd meal, 2.5-3 hrs later: 20gms high quality fat, mix of protein more casein then whey, low amount of low glycemic carb. 2 or 3 caps 3AD.
3rd meal, 3 hours later: 40/30/30 blend of protein, carb and quality fat.
4th meal (within an hour preworkout otherwise repeat 3rd again): whey (25gms), leucine, l-alanine and high glycemic carbs (12gms). NO2 product if you use one.
workout
4 or 5th meal PWO: Whey (50gms), High glycemic carbs (35-45gms), leucine, creatine
5th or 6th: 20gms high quality fat, mix of protein more casein then whey and low to no low glycemic carbs. 2-3 caps of 3AD taken an hour before bed.
20gms of fat is enough to seriously blunt glucose response from carsb/protein when using a glucometer.
The day broken by meal could look like this:
Breakfast: low fat, mix of carbs with a mix of protein, higher amount of whey to casein.
2nd meal, 2.5-3 hrs later: 20gms high quality fat, mix of protein more casein then whey, low amount of low glycemic carb. 2 or 3 caps 3AD.
3rd meal, 3 hours later: 40/30/30 blend of protein, carb and quality fat.
4th meal (within an hour preworkout otherwise repeat 3rd again): whey (25gms), leucine, l-alanine and high glycemic carbs (12gms). NO2 product if you use one.
workout
4 or 5th meal PWO: Whey (50gms), High glycemic carbs (35-45gms), leucine, creatine
5th or 6th: 20gms high quality fat, mix of protein more casein then whey and low to no low glycemic carbs. 2-3 caps of 3AD taken an hour before bed.
gltrdone83
Member
That would fine if you wanted to take it at that time.
colindep
Member
Thats pretty much what I've been doing and its been working fine as far as I can tell.