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Why all us young guys are tempted by PH...my opinion

Personally i enjoy my height 5'8-5'9 enables me to fill out my frame easily yet im not too short.. personally i enjoy not being tall...but thats just my opinion...

oh god thats the worst part. I gain 25 pounds of lean body mass over a years time, I still look fairy skinny. Now 25 pounds if I were 5'9 oh that would be a different ball game. But when I do fill out my frame, it will be all swell. :dance:

I just need about 25 pounds to get to where I want to be.:jaw: 205 in pure lean body mass with 0% body fat mnnnnnnnnnnnn :afro:
 
Also too, just about 99.99% of girls would rather date a guy who is smaller, but shredded/ripped vs. some 'huge' guy who is puffy, fat, and 'bulking' without any visible abs.


Being lean makes you look bigger and larger. IMO, I don't care how 'huge' you are, if you can't see your abs then you are just fat. Girl don't like fat guys either.

propadrol + 11 oxo is the answer then? :P
 
oh god thats the worst part. I gain 25 pounds of lean body mass over a years time, I still look fairy skinny. Now 25 pounds if I were 5'9 oh that would be a different ball game. But when I do fill out my frame, it will be all swell. :dance:

I just need about 25 pounds to get to where I want to be.:jaw: 205 in pure lean body mass with 0% body fat mnnnnnnnnnnnn :afro:

yea im cutting all summer and gonna compete for cross country and then im gonna do a heavy (but clean lean bulk) during winter lol gonna get up past 200 and haha ill be ready to cut! Im thinking 215 at 12 %bf and then after i cut to around 8%bf ill be lookin HUUGE!
 
yea im cutting all summer and gonna compete for cross country and then im gonna do a heavy (but clean lean bulk) during winter lol gonna get up past 200 and haha ill be ready to cut! Im thinking 215 at 12 %bf and then after i cut to around 8%bf ill be lookin HUUGE!


good luck bro!

Im aiming at a cut throughout the summer (omg, its torture. booty season is here, the beach,the booty,the miniskirts,the summer flings(s) ;] and im cutting all throughout the summer.) It took WAY too long to gain mass and it cost me my summer, but ill cut till september or october and ill lean bulk till march in which i will slowly cut the fat down agian. Hoping to be 205 at 8-9% by next summer.
 
good luck bro!

Im aiming at a cut throughout the summer (omg, its torture. booty season is here, the beach,the booty,the miniskirts,the summer flings(s) ;] and im cutting all throughout the summer.) It took WAY too long to gain mass and it cost me my summer, but ill cut till september or october and ill lean bulk till march in which i will slowly cut the fat down agian. Hoping to be 205 at 8-9% by next summer.

hell yea ill be cutting until id say oct-november and then bulk bulk bulk!
 
my daughter is only 12, but thank god she at least finds those emo boys distasteful already


i love this post!,


may opinion on this whole theory is i work PT at vitamin shoppe aside from training and have seen kids come in and out purchasing ph's, on another note i will say 2 out of the 30 kids i have come across were mature about it and returned it before they attempted it. but everyone else had no clue what it was how to properly do it, the most basic question i got was "what should i eat"!!!!!!! youve got to be joking i said to their face. listen im not going to lie my friends the people i associate myself with are no dumb guys a couple of them decided to cycle at a young age and still do now but they have always been smart about it every step of the way Example, time on = time off, support supps, frequent blood tests etc etc etc. and they all seem to have a perfect bill of health. so my plea to the kids out there that are going to do it anyways atleast make the attempt to look out for health.
 
plus if you fell down the ugly tree and hit all the branches on the way down being jacked wont help, its all about the charm the sense of comfort you offer a girl, a dog wont let it pet you without barking unless it trusts you right?
 
yeah yeah thats how it's done :dance:

I still have a year. lets go all out on this. :hammer:

hahha I def plan on it!!!

Prob do some bold and winny on my cut....and some more MMV2 lol so illb e gaining while im cutting haha!!:woohoo:
 
i love this post!,


may opinion on this whole theory is i work PT at vitamin shoppe aside from training and have seen kids come in and out purchasing ph's, on another note i will say 2 out of the 30 kids i have come across were mature about it and returned it before they attempted it. but everyone else had no clue what it was how to properly do it, the most basic question i got was "what should i eat"!!!!!!! youve got to be joking i said to their face. listen im not going to lie my friends the people i associate myself with are no dumb guys a couple of them decided to cycle at a young age and still do now but they have always been smart about it every step of the way Example, time on = time off, support supps, frequent blood tests etc etc etc. and they all seem to have a perfect bill of health. so my plea to the kids out there that are going to do it anyways atleast make the attempt to look out for health.
speaking of littel kids coming it. i work at VS pT as well. i had a 15 year old come in and ask for torque ( a superdrol cone) and told him it would kill him. i was like its one of the most hardcore ph's out there. and then i was like well what have you taken, and have you taken any PH's before. and he was like yeah an tons "creatine, no-xplode, ect" i was like WTF kids. no go home and play video games. he had 2 kids behind him that were trying to stay hidden who looked my age just laughing about the situation. it was big disappointment
 
plus if you fell down the ugly tree and hit all the branches on the way down being jacked wont help, its all about the charm the sense of comfort you offer a girl, a dog wont let it pet you without barking unless it trusts you right?


amen my brutha. Ugly Tree! LMAO.

I hit that tree pretty hard as a baby. Luckily I recovered. :lol:
 
speaking of littel kids coming it. i work at VS pT as well. i had a 15 year old come in and ask for torque ( a superdrol cone) and told him it would kill him. i was like its one of the most hardcore ph's out there. and then i was like well what have you taken, and have you taken any PH's before. and he was like yeah an tons "creatine, no-xplode, ect" i was like WTF kids. no go home and play video games. he had 2 kids behind him that were trying to stay hidden who looked my age just laughing about the situation. it was big disappointment


VS is such a great job bro! after working there i saw such great potential to be a trainer and i pick up a lot of clients from their as well, i also put myself in their shoes because they are still looking at life as a kid, they just DONT KNOW!
 
VS is such a great job bro! after working there i saw such great potential to be a trainer and i pick up a lot of clients from their as well, i also put myselfs in their shoes because they are still looking at life as a kid, they just DONT KNOW!

what are the advantages of working PT in VS? 20-30% discount on supps?
 
VS is such a great job bro! after working there i saw such great potential to be a trainer and i pick up a lot of clients from their as well, i also put myselfs in their shoes because they are still looking at life as a kid, they just DONT KNOW!
yeah man i am only 18 so i can relate to them wanting to do that, but i have a yonger brother who is 15 and i would be extremely pissed if he went shopping around for that crap. i do love the job though. it has perfect hours. and i have given lots of advice there. it has made me want to focus on the nutrition/ Physical traning for college possibly
 
You get first dibs on all of the samples and shirts...ive heard it can get rather insane at times!


yep yep, i no longer buy NO or energy supps cause we get sooo many, 25% discount which is pretty good on certain items like PROTEIN, healthy n fit 100% pro amino was "accidently" put on clearence as 25% off and there were 6 tubs so on top of that 25% off i got my 25% off so all was well lol
 
yep yep, i no longer buy NO or energy supps cause we get sooo many, 25% discount which is pretty good on certain items like PROTEIN, healthy n fit 100% pro amino was "accidently" put on clearence as 25% off and there were 6 tubs so on top of that 25% off i got my 25% off so all was well lol

damn. working in a supplement store sounds nice. too bad working in a pharmacy just gives you headaches. No benefits, just old people yelling for their perscriptions and headaches all day. :(
 
yep yep, i no longer buy NO or energy supps cause we get sooo many, 25% discount which is pretty good on certain items like PROTEIN, healthy n fit 100% pro amino was "accidently" put on clearence as 25% off and there were 6 tubs so on top of that 25% off i got my 25% off so all was well lol
yall still get your discount on discountedp roducts? WTf i dont think your supposed to cuz we dont.... yeah man i havent bought a PRE WO in along time. I am stacked with them. Havent picked up any shirts yet though
 
i got a applied nutricuetical shirt and CMI shirt, yea that protein thing was a one time gig they caught on
 
I think AN needs to make a shirt with the add they used Morpheus hold a drive in one hand and a rpm in the other that would be one hell of a shirt!
 
yea they had that up on their site that would make a awesome promo shirt!!! AN if you do it throw one my way!!!
 
tight. yeah man i could have used that discount. i have a tub of ON rockyroad with MONO throw in it. I dont like the texture the creatine did to it. otherwise its good!
 
u use plain reg mono?? and plus thats a good idea! mixing the 2 good synergy id throw some carbs in too tho with the creatine and protein cause carbs and creatine work together very well
 
u use plain reg mono?? and plus thats a good idea! mixing the 2 good synergy id throw some carbs in too tho with the creatine and protein cause carbs and creatine work together very well
right now im running a neovar/ RPM STACK. but ya i through straight up 100% pure mono in my 2 lbs ON ROCKYROAD TUB. anyone interested let me know.
 
True but jacked is only half the battle. Unless you're just looking for pussy.

I'm not jacked at all, got a sort of a belly, chubby, maybe some muscles but it's all about the game man. You don't got game, you don't get ****.
 
Personally i enjoy my height 5'8-5'9 enables me to fill out my frame easily yet im not too short.. personally i enjoy not being tall...but thats just my opinion...

being short makes it way easier I think, in that 170lbs at 5'5 looks astounding, takes 210+ at 6' tall.
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If they had a pill to make me smarter really fast, or be witty and comical overnight, I'd take it too. It's all about not working and getting results. :)
 
being short makes it way easier I think, in that 170lbs at 5'5 looks astounding, takes 210+ at 6' tall.
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I think it would take more than 210 at 6'0

Theres a 7 inch difference and 210 is only 40 pounds of mass apart. Being 6'0 myself I would have to say you would need to be in the 220 or 225 to get to that size/look

170 at competition time is a lot of weight to hold for a person who is 5'5.
 
true on the #s, but I think somewhat easier to attain on the smaller size person, and as far as visual impressiveness goes you still go "geezus he's huge" when you see him.
 
If they had a pill to make me smarter really fast, or be witty and comical overnight, I'd take it too. It's all about not working and getting results. :)


adderall baby :dance:

but it doesnt make you witty and comical at all. Expect to be the strange guy everyone points at when your on it. :fool2:
 
true on the #s, but I think somewhat easier to attain on the smaller size person, and as far as visual impressiveness goes you still go "geezus he's huge" when you see him.

I agree. on the 2nd half. I dont think its exactly easier to gain though. If you think about it really, a person whos 5'5 cant eat as much as a person 6'0 trying to bulk up. He also eats X ammount of calories for his diet. Its not like everyone goes for the 4000 calories per day routine. I do get your point however. 10 pounds on a 5'5 person looks like 10 pounds. 10 pounds on me looks like 5 pound gain. What sucks is most of those gains go towards the legs and no one ends up seeing it at all. :aargh:
 
I think it's worth a mention that I think girls probably like guys with hair better than guys with muscle (especially at a younger age and college I think), I actually think it's older women who like bigger guys better, but then again maybe I'm just saying that because it's more common to see a bigger older guy than a bigger younger guy, probably because of slowed down metabolism and stuff, hell my dad can still kick my ass.

Well anyways, hair can be important, especially at a young age, and PH and AAS have a little habit of excarberating hair loss, possibly giving you acne as well, and someone already mentioned stretch marks in the long term, top that all off with the chance possibility of PCT not going through nicely and you also end up with a **** that doesn't work.
 
Would taking a PH at a younger-than-recommended age yield similar results to someone who is of age? I never thought it would because when you're younger, your test is through the roof as it is, so adding more can't really compare to what a 25 year old could accomplish with a PH.
 
Impatience might be part of it, but I think we can all agree that the real culprit is that "rap" music, and the violence on T.V. and in video games.
 
Bodybuilding (by Matador. reposted here. Enjoy!)

When I was around 21, I got into bodybuilding. I played football, basketball, martial arts, track, & pole-vaulting in high-school. I grew up in Texas and being big and muscular increased your social value immensely (as most high schools I assume).

When I turned 21, I started to lift for aesthetic purposes, not just for athletic performance. At my peak I managed to get to 245 and 3.8% body fat benching 450lbs for 4-5 reps.

In short, I looked like a real amateur bodybuilder. Anybody who knows me from a couple of years ago can attest to that.

Here is my experience of various dynamics during my journey.

ATTENTION FROM WOMEN

This result was two-fold. I am around 6’2”. When I hit around 205 at 5% body fat, I noticed a night and day difference with women throwing IOIs at me. When I started to increase to 220lbs at 6% I noticed it started to go down. When I hit 245lbs @ 6-7% body fat I noticed it go down a lot. Some girls would still throw IOIs, but most were scared of me. In addition, some simply gave me deliberate IODs.

To put 205@5% into perspective: It would look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Troy.

At 220lbs@6%, it would look The Rock in Scorpion King.

At 245lbs@6-7% body fat, it would look freakish and like the guys on the cover of Muscle and Fitness and maybe FLEX (the guys on the cover of FLEX are pros and still are at another level above).

This was back before I knew anything about the community. In my mind:

More Muscle = More Social Value = More Women.

My conclusion: The Brad Pitt Fight Club look works the best for pua goals.

RESPECT FROM MEN

QUICK NOTE: Bodybuilding and fighting are two different art forms. Weight training-not bodybuilding-helps the latter. Do not think that just because you are big you can **** with anyone. There are some scary cats out there. Avoid fights if possible is my best advice. It is not conducive to our survival goals.

Pros and Cons here: On one hand, you almost get instant respect from men. Men simply do not want to **** with you. From bouncers, businessmen, athletes, musicians…etc. They all start throwing submission IOIs to let you know you’ve got them in this area. Some want to align with you, some want to distance themselves from you, and some outright resent you and talk **** behind your back.

Another pattern I observed. Rich guys will want to be seen with you (when you’re really big). They will want you to roll in their entourage. They will buy you drinks, throw women on you, and introduce you as their friend.

Cool guys, who you want to be like, will give you a level of respect instantly into their social circle, provided you are not a socially unintelligent person. In other words, they will give you access to their world, provided you don’t do anything stupid.

People in general will give you compliance easier. It’s the small things you notice in everyday situations from waiters, people standing in line...etc.

One funny story, I ran a red light at about 60mph, simply because I thought I could make in the yellow on pacific coast highway. I was in a national park and I noticed the park ranger slow down as I sped up. I was going to try to make the light and he was going wait for the next one. I ran it and he turned his sirens on and pulled me over. Why would I do such a thing you may ask? Well, I didn’t think these guys handled traffic violations. I thought they monitored park activity such as fires, vandalism...etc., things like that. In short, it was stupid, but that’s what my rationalization was at the time. As he is pulling me over, he asks me if I have been drinking which I said no and then asked me to step out of the car. After I did, he took one look at me and asked me, “Why shouldn’t I give you a ticket.” I told him, “that was a completely stupid thing I did and it won’t happen again.” He let me go! Some may say that was completely random. However, I disagree. Nothing is completely random, nothing is an accident. Even if people themselves are not aware of what they are doing, they’re emotions are reacting nevertheless. In this instance, his emotions & logic decided to give me a pass, if I simply gave him this one little compliance test. He didn’t want a cute logical answer, but wanted an emotional one. Notice how I never answered the question that he asked? Why would he do this in the first place? I believe, by the intimidation factor of this huge guy being presented to him on a one-on-one basis on the side of the road.

Women will want to show you off. Hold your arm like they are so proud to be there. Even though it all breaks down to value, there is nothing like seeing the love and adulation in a young girl’s face as she is looking at you and you know it is real.

CONFIDENCE

At gladiator dimensions, you’re CONFIDENCE is SUPER-HUMAN. I am not saying it is entirely real…just describing how you FEEL. You feel entitled to any girl in the venue. You FEEL entitled to TAKE what you WANT. You feel like you can slam dunk a basketball (which I could barely do)…you FEEL like you can accomplish anything after enduring the discipline and pain it takes to get there. YOU FEEL ****ING AWESOME. Almost anything you wear looks good, you feel like a Ferrari on a road filled with Cadillacs. You feel peaceful. You feel clean. You feel energetic. You feel younger. You feel like you’re not aging. You feel DANGEROUS. Your feel POWERFUL…physically & mentally. Remember, don’t go into the gym get up to 225lb on bench with a gut and say you don’t feel these things. This is how I felt when my body was at a level where someone would pay me to photograph it.

HOW TO GET GOOD

A rough but effective game plan to get your body to where you want it to be is a follows:

First, outsource the knowledge. A lot of you guys are busy on your wealth and relationship nodes of your life. You don’t need to immerse yourself in the world of bodybuilding. Here is the solution and eventually you will acquire the knowledge yourself.

Find a trainer that LOOKS like a bodybuilder from a reputable GYM. You may not want to look like him, but he will have the knowledge and drive to take you to where you want to go because he has done it himself. They may be exceptions to the rule; however, I don’t want to waste any time finding out. Also, you have to believe in your trainer as a teacher/role model and he needs to earn that respect as he is yelling at you to grunt out another rep on the leg press as you have a white-hot burn going through your legs.

Second, you must hit your training, diet, supplementation, and rest in unison. If anyone of those areas is left undone, you will not get the “Perfect Look”. There are some major mistakes I see a lot of guys do. The will either:

1) Over train
2) Not know how to train, but think they do after reading a few pages of muscle and fitness.
3) Train and then go eat a pizza afterwards and wonder why their ab wall doesn’t show after the million crunches leg raises that they’ve done.
4) Not rest enough…I knew one guy do did fifteen sets of 8 on bench press as his first chest exercise! WTF!
5) I saw this same guy repping with the same weight for about 2 years!

The list could go on an on. In short, seek out those you have the knowledge and motivation that you need TODAY and who have proven successful at the task you are about to perform.

Here is a rough summary:

1) Seek out a QUALIFIED TRAINER based on my text above (this is an important step).
2) Follow his instructions exactly…believe in him even if you don’t see results at first. (That’s why step #1 is important, he needs to inspire, motivate, and earn your respect).
3) Believe that this body (the archetype I found the best for our PUA goals) is something worthy and worth fighting for. You have to want it. I illustrated my experience, so you’d know it is a huge DHV prop to your avatar.


CONCLUSION

For RELATIONSHIP purposes…I think it is an excellent sport that does provide the ROI you are looking for.

For HEALTH purposes…I think it is an excellent sport that does provide the ROI you are looking for.

For WEALTH purposes…I think it is an excellent sport that does provide the ROI you are looking for.

In this regard, remember I mentioned that High-Value guys will want to align with you. I can’t tell you how many different wealth-building alignments are spawned from guys wanting to be your friend and throwing value your way.


All-in-all the BODYBUILDING activity permeates through multiple areas of your life that are consistent with PUA goals. I high recommend it for the reasons in this post.
 
One thing you young guys have to realize about all the Incredibly Hot Women out there.
NO matter how fine, hot, sexy, or boneable she is, Somewhere there is a guy sick of her sheyat.


great qoute by the golfer lee trevino...:clap2:
 
Nothing is a replacement for good old fashioned hard work. If you are gonna cycle, then you better be damn well ready to work harder than you ever have before. I tell everyone at my gym, if you arn't growing enough it doesn't mean you are a hard gainer, it means you probably aren't eating and sleeping enough, or lifting right. Or maybe you are just lifting TOO MUCH. :nono:

Try eating 4000-5000 calories a day and see if you don't get huge. You're gonna have to eat that much anyway if you are gonna cycle.

Sure girls notice the huge guys, but if you can't spit game... well your just a dumb jock, and trust me, she is gonna be cheating on your dumb ass if you can't keep her entertained.

The idea of doing Anabolics for any other reason than your own personal bodybuilding goals just sounds plain retarded to me. Get it through your heads. This **** isn't a joke. It will screw you up if you arn't careful. And who the hell wants to look like Jason Giambi anyway? Girls don't care how much you lift, they want to see a guy who is cut. You don't need PH to get cut. You don't even need PH to bulk.

I think the real fault of all of this is the magazines that have IFBB athletes sponsoring ads for products that obviously won't make you 265 lbs and cut. I don't care how much NO-Xplode you take, you arn't going to be Trey Brewer. I also think that having a 22 year old that is 300 pounds is a bad example for our youth, all due respect to Trey, he is a huge mofo that is going to DESTROY the IFBB, but seriously, anyone who thinks he got to 300 pounds at 22 naturally (or on BSN supps for that matter) is only kidding themselves; and this is the message we send to kids. Kids aren't stupid, they realize real quick what these guys are up to, and just like us when we were kids, they are impatient and boneheaded as hell. Education is the key to this situation. I read and read and read and read for over a year before ever trying a PH and I waited until I was 24, and I probably jumped the gun myself. If you know what this stuff really does to your body, it makes sense to wait... why waste the money when you already have sky high NATURAL test levels. But hey, like I said, kids will be kids. We have to remember that most of us learned life lessons from screwing up, not because someone told us not to do something. I remember a time (not to long ago) where I would have fought anyone who looked at me wrong and jumped off a cliff just because someone told me not to. I was invincible in my mind, and it took a few serious ass beatings (I deserved them) and a near death car accident to get into my head that I was only human. And honestly that is what it takes for most people. Well, that is my opinion at least.
 
Obviously training is a given, but if you really want to succeed its all about diet diet diet. When you eat, what you eat, and how much you eat. Also I've really never jumped on the PH ban wagon. If your going to take the chance of exposing yourself to the sides why not use the real deal? I guess I'm old school. I can see the legality issue, but the damn DEA is trying to ban anything short of chewing gum anyway.
 
No, hot women are attracted to confidence. You can be ugly as sin and get hot chicks if you act right. Find a girl that notices you, and then be nice... for a hot minute. Then act like you could care less if she was around or not. She will be on your **** like flies on ****. Nothing drives a girl crazier than a guy who she can't make like her. That's the secret right there, and that is why "nice guys" think that all hot girl's boyfriends are douchebags. Sure it seems like the guy is acting like an ******* to her, but all he really is doing is keeping her around. Until a girl is about 27-30 and wants to get married, she is going to **** around on you if she gets the slightest bit of board. Girls are evil like that, especially nowadays. It might sound mean but it works like gangbusters.
 
No, hot women are attracted to confidence. You can be ugly as sin and get hot chicks if you act right. Find a girl that notices you, and then be nice... for a hot minute. Then act like you could care less if she was around or not. She will be on your **** like flies on ****. Nothing drives a girl crazier than a guy who she can't make like her. That's the secret right there, and that is why "nice guys" think that all hot girl's boyfriends are douchebags. Sure it seems like the guy is acting like an ******* to her, but all he really is doing is keeping her around. Until a girl is about 27-30 and wants to get married, she is going to **** around on you if she gets the slightest bit of board. Girls are evil like that, especially nowadays. It might sound mean but it works like gangbusters.

I actually read that. Yes I "read" that. My friend sent me the ebook of double your dating. Im guessing you read that as well?
 
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