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SUPERDROL VS HALODROL..you be the judge

which do you prefer?

  • Superdrol

    Votes: 245 58.9%
  • Halodrol

    Votes: 171 41.1%

  • Total voters
    416
Is there anything different with the old Superdrol and the new SuperdrolNG? I also have the trisorbagen which I will cycle with the SuperdrolNG. What kind of quality fat food is recommended since I am living out of a military chow hall? Thanks
 
Is there anything different with the old Superdrol and the new SuperdrolNG? I also have the trisorbagen which I will cycle with the SuperdrolNG. What kind of quality fat food is recommended since I am living out of a military chow hall? Thanks

I dont want to burst your bubble,but sdng is basicly just hyped dhea. No where near the old superdrol!!!
 
I guess the good old days are gone, thanks for the reply TripDog. All I have been looking for is just strength increase not bigger muscles, too much to run with. I still have 4 bottles of the old stuff so that is always a good thing.
 
I guess the good old days are gone, thanks for the reply TripDog. All I have been looking for is just strength increase not bigger muscles, too much to run with. I still have 4 bottles of the old stuff so that is always a good thing.

check out activate extreme(designer supplements) or mass fx(anabolic extreme).....awsome natty test boosters!! as far as non hormonal goes.

~yea the old SD is bananas but def has it's share of side effects!!
 
I would have to go with SD due to the fact that I've never tried Halodrol. Based on my results from SD I was very happy and didn't have much in the way of sides.
 
so I go a Halodrol clone (chlorodro-50, i know talk ****) and i'm almost done with my 2nd week of the stuff..

I've been taking it at 50mg so far, I was thinking starting week 3 I would bump up the dosage to 100mg (i see how some are doing 75mg but i dont understand how that is possible unless u split a pill in half). I only have one bottle.

So if you do the math that would only lead to a 3-week cycle on Chlorodrol, but I was planning on taking Hemaguno/Epistane for 2-3 weeks after and then PCT with Thrust or 6-OXO

how does that sound?
 
Regarding superdrol and HD..... can anyone offer up what sides/long term effects will be experienced 10-15-20 years down the road?
If I'm right, wasn't superdrol discovered and considered years ago, only to be brushed aside due to the known negative effects? It wasn't until after the ban that it had to be dug out....

Person #1: "Hey this stuff is still legal"
Person #2: "But that sh#t will kill ya"
Person #1: "So"


I very well could be wrong, and if so, apologies to those who are offended :)

well im by no means offended but im sure thas NOT how it happened.... i mean look at pre ban.. its not like M1T wasnt widely used and that was with all the side effects being known.

some people jsut weigh the benifits to the sides and choose to produce and use it regardless and treat the sides as best as possible with ancilleries. for example dbol and abombs are still widely used as well and can be worse so why would it stop someone from releasing a similar compound that actually produces more maintainable gains???

now this thread should be about the topic... H50 vs superdrol not orals vs injects, not orals or roids vs natty supps, just the topic since everyone has their own opinion on whats best and everyone that just reads can find out the benifits and sides for themselves and then make an educated decision based on their findings. i personally think they all have their place and can all be nenificial if taken correctly and in moderation.
 
I am bias'd to Superdrol only because I have ran that before, I gained roughly 15 pounds in the cycle.

Fortunatly, I plan to run Halodrol-50 within a week or so.. I'll be sure to update my answer if it is any better..

Also, No sides with Superdrol, I was blessed.
 
some interesting posts in this thread, forgot what the original question was...oh yeah, Halodrol (clones) vs Superdrol (clones). H-Drol gets my vote due to less sides and overall feeling of well being while on. H-Drol will be less dramatic gains, more of a cutter to LBM gainer. For me, bottom line, superdrol not worth the sides or risks. If you are looking for monster gains, look elsewhere (how bout training and eating??)
 
I gave my vote to halodrol. I'm on H50 (50mg second batch) And Methoxy TRN at 3mg and my libido is through the roof. Sex is awesome, I gave my girl 5 orgasms last night before I was done.
 
coming up soon i am starting a cycle with SD. this will be my first SD clycle. i will not be stacking this cycle. i was thinking 10mg for the first week then 20 mg from there on out. some say that eventually go to 30mg, but i just dont think the bennifits out weigh the risk. i am thinking of making this a six week cycle or eight week cycle. not sure yet. i am curious to know what sides could be encounterd. any input would be greatly appreciated. aslo what would the best pct be.
 
I don't think superdrol would have such a bad rep if everyone wasn't dosing 30mg of it. 10-20 is all you need with this compound.
 
in your own opinion which of these products provide the best results and have the least amount of sides and toxicity levels?? and post your success with that product
halodrol would be the dryer of the 2....since superdrol is a wet gainer...for dropping body fat you would definately want halodrol...if you are looking for the mass and strength gains then superdrol.
 
halodrol would be the dryer of the 2....since superdrol is a wet gainer...for dropping body fat you would definately want halodrol...if you are looking for the mass and strength gains then superdrol.
No, Superdrol is a 5 alpha reduced compound that has zero water or wet gains. It is actually a mild diuretic.
 
No, Superdrol is a 5 alpha reduced compound that has zero water or wet gains. It is actually a mild diuretic.
you are far from wrong my friend...you will gain some water retention...there is no dry gaining to superdrol. You should still intake a lot of water with it....and use an anti estrogen to reduce any bloating...very slim water retention on it though...but it is not dry...almost though.
 
you are far from wrong my friend...you will gain some water retention...there is no dry gaining to superdrol. You should still intake a lot of water with it....and use an anti estrogen to reduce any bloating...very slim water retention on it though...but it is not dry...almost though.

writeup from MM:

The Superdrol writeup
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http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/printthread.php?t=23042 said:
Chemistry


Superdrol (methasteron) is definitely not a prohormone: it is a very active form of a designer supplement. Superdrol gets its name from the fact that it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron). Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position, like M1T or M-Dien. However you may wish to look at it, it is by this simple-looking transformation that Superdrol comes to occupy the sweet spot between the chemical natures of Anadrol and Masteron. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. Progesterone is not an issue: perhaps 0.1% can aromatize, in theory. In fact, this compound should not have any major metabolites at all. Maybe a few hydroxylated adrenal metabolites, but only traces. It is basically excreted unchanged as the conjugated glucuronate. The extra electron density at the 2 makes Superdrol 2-3x as anabolic (mg for mg) than Anadrol. To borrow from the language of genetics, Superdrol is a fine example of hybrid vigor: it has only the best attributes of each, and none of the worst. This is a supplement designed to have it all.



Anadrol/oxymetholone 17ß-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one

Superdrol/methasteron 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

Masteron/drostanolone
2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

Proviron/mesterolone
1a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

...

Fluid Retention

Masteron and Anadrol are on the opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to fluid retention. In this regard, Superdrol lies close to Masteron, which – being unable either to convert to estrogen or mimic the effects of estrogen – has typically been used for reducing water retention while increasing muscle hardness and density. The rapid gains in mass caused by Anadrol involve not a little water retention: bloating is unavoidable, as with Dianabol/M1,4ADD. With Superdrol, there is no extra water retention. There is not even facial bloating. It forms no estrogen, so the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone (RAAS) system cannot be activated to cause any water retention. M1T has the unfortunate effect of causing water retention in the kidneys, which can be painful, and is definitely unhealthy.

The pumps for which Anadrol is known are caused by an increase in the volume of blood, some of it RBC but much of it water. Blood pressure rises accordingly, and can lead to headaches, other forms of discomfort, or worse. The pumps from Superdrol could well be the result of the volumization of blood without the water gain, as noted above. It is in fact a mild diuretic. This helps contribute to the unmatched vascularity noticed in lean individuals. Because it dries you out, unless you are cutting for a reason, like a contest, you should increase your water intake accordingly. You can expect to drop at least several pounds of water in your first few days of use. From testers who monitored their blood pressure, there was no indication that it rose significantly, nor were there in others symptoms of high BP, for example, face turning beet red, or feeling nauseous after a few light sets. The pumps and increased vascularity from Superdrol are pleasant - “my biceps feel flexed when at rest” in the words of one tester. That is, until the dose is becomes too high, at which point Superdrol shares with Anadrol back pumps, cramps, or aches. These can inhibit workouts. At proper doses, these are fleeting, not unlike those from M1T, but not as severe. However, the tester who challenged the highest dose experienced such discomfort that he literally had to lay on the gym floor in between sets. It seems that Superdrol has a built in mechanism, harmless enough, to prevent its abuse.

Trip, i'm with you, no fluid retention. It is necessary for an increase in water intake, from personal experience.
 
writeup from MM:

The Superdrol writeup
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Trip, i'm with you, no fluid retention. It is necessary for an increase in water intake, from personal experience.
just because it says it cant convert to estrogen does not mean it cant...they say that about methyls but they do...any synthetic that goes into your body and takes the place of your normal test can convert to estrogen...and yes you can get slight water gains from it...I know from personal experience and others who have taken it. Yes, it is recommended you drink around 32oz of water with each serving because it can dehydrate you...the wet part comes from possible estrogen...which can be combatted by AI
 
Superdrol/methasteron 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

Masteron/drostanolone
2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

If you look closely, superdrol is essentially a 17a methylated compound of masteron/drostanolone. It is methylated to survive the pass through the liver. Masteron is incapable of aromatization.

Please correct me if I am wrong :)
 
If you look closely, superdrol is essentially a 17a methylated compound of masteron/drostanolone. It is methylated to survive the pass through the liver. Masteron is incapable of aromatization.

Please correct me if I am wrong :)
Thats what methylation is for and it inhibits aromatization only so far...depending on the way your body reacts it can still convert to some estrogen...any synthetic that goes into your body has that capability. Thats the reason why you hear people complain of gyno...which is only caused through increase in estrogen production.
 
Thats the reason why you hear people complain of gyno...which is only caused through increase in estrogen production.

:confused: First you say that it can be aromitized, then say that the reason people complain of gyno when on superdrol is by the increase of estrogen production (NOT AROMITIZATION).
 
:confused: First you say that it can be aromitized, then say that the reason people complain of gyno when on superdrol is by the increase of estrogen production (NOT AROMITIZATION).
increase in estrogen or the conversion of a synthetic to estrogen is what causes aromatization...it makes perfect since...and read a lil more thoroughly...yes superdrol can aromatize...just like m1t and other methylated synthetics.
 
Clay do yourself a favor and stop talking, you really have NO CLUE what you are talking about!!
 
Clay do yourself a favor and stop talking, you really have NO CLUE what you are talking about!!
uhh no my friend you have no clue what you are talking about because if you did you would know that superdrol can every bit aromatize...I suggest you quit reading the articles of the people who make the stuff and read educated articles written by known medical professionals because you have shown me that you will believen anything you read including what the product says on the bottle...if you understood anything about prohormones and steroids you would understand the concept of aromatization....explain to me why people on superdrol have had a history of gyno...if you give me a bull shiat answer Im just gonna bust you arse about it.
 
uhh no my friend you have no clue what you are talking about because if you did you would know that superdrol can every bit aromatize...I suggest you quit reading the articles of the people who make the stuff and read educated articles written by known medical professionals because you have shown me that you will believen anything you read including what the product says on the bottle...if you understood anything about prohormones and steroids you would understand the concept of aromatization....explain to me why people on superdrol have had a history of gyno...if you give me a bull shiat answer Im just gonna bust you arse about it.
Reread my above post.
 
seems an argument has flamed up. i had, on my first cycle, experienced some major body bloat on my SD knockoff called methydrol xt. i know they are not exactly the same makeup, so maybe someone could chime in on that. i do not know the exact molecular science of these compounds. that's why i had mentioned that i took what i took and made sure to state that it was slightly different from SD.
 
Reread my above post.


oh ****, tripdog's off the chain!!!! but seriously, i wouldn't wanna have a PH showdown with this man, here. i've read his posts and this man seems to have it down pretty good. hell, from what i know, ol' trip's tried every compound ever made........ALL AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thats what methylation is for and it inhibits aromatization only so far...depending on the way your body reacts it can still convert to some estrogen...any synthetic that goes into your body has that capability. Thats the reason why you hear people complain of gyno...which is only caused through increase in estrogen production.


No no no no no no no.... Dbol is methylated and aromatizes readily into a methylated estrogen.

I think the bloat people see is due to increase aromatase activity caused by an exogenous androgen. Thats just my theorey though. I do know that SD causes bloat for me just like tbol does.
 
Clay ever thought that the reason people get gyno after a superdrol cycle is because of the fact that the body NATURALLY produces androstenedione?

Androstenedione (also known as 4-androstenedione) is a 19-carbon steroid hormone produced in the adrenal glands and the gonads as an intermediate step in the biochemical pathway that produces the androgen testosterone and the estrogens estrone and estradiol.

It (Androstenedione) can also be made from converting 17-hydroxyprogesterone or from dehydroepiandrosterone (dhea). It is also one step away from testosterone by adding a hydrogen to the 17th position (17b specifically), or it can convert into ESTRONE and then to ESTRADIOL via the aromatase enzyme.

That is the reason. The body can't and won't convert SD into estrogen, but can already use the OTHER readily available hormones to convert. :study:
 
Take a blood test after a cycle of superdrol, let me know how that turns out for ya. Gain 10-12 lbs, than loose 3-4 of them. If you seriously think the gains to side ratio is worth it, you have a lot more research to do. Take something worth it like Test, gain 20-30 lbs, after that take a blood test as a comparison to see nothing has changed in Liver values, kidney values, blood pressure or Cholesterol.

If I wanted to gain 5 lbs, Id take Creatine or Jungle Warfare.

You are correct, it is everyones choice. I am simply giving you my opinion that orals are not worth the stress on your organs.

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What is "Test"
 
I've had my best gains with superdrol.The sides were really bad until I learned not to go over 20mg.I wasn't too impressed with HD.Although I am going to run it again.This time at 75mg.I didn't notice any sides with halodrol.This was the original HD 50 btw.Still have a box of the original.:head:
 
Pulsing original Super now.
After PCT, will pulse original 50 (yeah, I know, they're old, but have keep them in cool dark conditions).

So far Super is very good. Strength, weight, and recovery all improved. Minimal to no sides* (worked up to 30mg so far...probably will keep that as a max and taper back down).

Noticeable that is. Lipids are probably going to sh!t. Although the fish, flax, and olive oils may be helping a bit.
 
I take it that hdrol is pefrerred over superdrol. Now I'm thinking of trying Fast Action Pharma MD1T instead.
 
just started!

i just started my hdrol cycle.and im hoping for the best!im taking 2 hdrol gels a day.also with milk thistle,multi-v,and fish oil.we,ll what happens?
 
you are far from wrong my friend...you will gain some water retention...there is no dry gaining to superdrol. You should still intake a lot of water with it....and use an anti estrogen to reduce any bloating...very slim water retention on it though...but it is not dry...almost though.

5a reduced will lower the rate/ minimize conversion to estro or DHT it IS A DRY GAINER with diuretic effects. which is why i think the back pumps are pronounced. i think you are thinkin of phera, and in that case the compound itself will not aromatize but because it has some androgenic properties then it has some water weight.

my .02
 
uhh no my friend you have no clue what you are talking about because if you did you would know that superdrol can every bit aromatize...I suggest you quit reading the articles of the people who make the stuff and read educated articles written by known medical professionals because you have shown me that you will believen anything you read including what the product says on the bottle...if you understood anything about prohormones and steroids you would understand the concept of aromatization....explain to me why people on superdrol have had a history of gyno...if you give me a bull shiat answer Im just gonna bust you arse about it.


they mis use a serm which leaves circulating estrogen in the body and they think becuase it doesnt aromatize then they dont need an AI
 
Take a blood test after a cycle of superdrol, let me know how that turns out for ya. Gain 10-12 lbs, than loose 3-4 of them. If you seriously think the gains to side ratio is worth it, you have a lot more research to do. Take something worth it like Test, gain 20-30 lbs, after that take a blood test as a comparison to see nothing has changed in Liver values, kidney values, blood pressure or Cholesterol.

If I wanted to gain 5 lbs, Id take Creatine or Jungle Warfare.

You are correct, it is everyones choice. I am simply giving you my opinion that orals are not worth the stress on your organs.

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Not everyone's blood values get banged up with these orals - some of you guys make this sound like a foregone conclusion. I did an 6week cycle 2 week overlap (4 haladrol - 4 Orastan A at a very high dose).

My Cholesterol was fine - actually came down in total (hdl/ldl ratio the same), Test was supressed but not too bad 143 total. My liver was a little hot but Dr. said "nothing to be alarmed about".

I'm not suggesting that Orals are safer (I'm sure T is the better route) but I don't think it's fair for some of you guys to run around these boards telling people their blood values are doomed either.
 
i havent tried halo, although i will in the future. my personal exp with superdroll is i did retain a lot of water. just "my" personal exp. i like superdrol but it is an all out mass gain. i prefer something mild with small gains as long as i can drop the bf% a little.
 
If I do another cycle it would definetely be injectibles or tried and tested orals like d-bol or anavar. I had good results with superdrol (+12lbs after PCT) but I'd much rather use something with less sides and more history atttached to it.

You'll get plenty of sides with Dbol too. My BP went through the roof on that stuff, and lethargy was a ***** too.
 
Thats what methylation is for and it inhibits aromatization only so far...depending on the way your body reacts it can still convert to some estrogen...any synthetic that goes into your body has that capability. Thats the reason why you hear people complain of gyno...which is only caused through increase in estrogen production.
Aromatization occurs at the "A" ring of the steroid (C1-C6; look at a cartoon diagram of estrogen), not anywhere near C17. The methylation serves to keep the 17-OH from being oxidized to a ketone. It "protects" it.

Silly, silly people. I dunno where this stuff comes from.

And, to whoever said Superdrol gives wet gains: gimme some of what you're smoking. My eyeballs would hurt b/c they were so dry and my piss looked like apple cider. It was retarded.
 
read educated articles written by known medical professionals because you have shown me that you will believen anything you read including what the product says on the bottle
If you want to know if something aromatizes by looking at its structure you'd ask a chemist, not a medical professional. All physicians are familiar with biochem/ochem/gchem/etc but are by no means anywhere close to "experts" unless they've received a graduate degree in the area.
 
I hate it when people say... use this to cut, use that to bulk.... when will people just stop being lazy and get their diet on point and make every cycle a lean bulk.....

who wants to have to get rid of a load of fat post cycle... its just lazyness from eating crap when on.

any AAS can be used to bulk and most to cut, bar a few that cause too much water retention, i.e anadrol.

and whoever posted saying why not just inject and use test and put on 20/30lbs....
I dotn care what anyone says, but if you put that much weight on in one cycle and most is muscle then you clearly arent ready for AAS, there is no way you have reached your genetic potential! most experienced bb'ers only put on say 109lbs at most on cycle.. and thats because they have surpassed their genetic potential and have to work hard to put any gains on a frame that isnt supposed to hold it.

my TWO CENTS, as you yanks say :P
 
I hate it when people say... use this to cut, use that to bulk.... when will people just stop being lazy and get their diet on point and make every cycle a lean bulk.....

who wants to have to get rid of a load of fat post cycle... its just lazyness from eating crap when on.

any AAS can be used to bulk and most to cut, bar a few that cause too much water retention, i.e anadrol.

and whoever posted saying why not just inject and use test and put on 20/30lbs....
I dotn care what anyone says, but if you put that much weight on in one cycle and most is muscle then you clearly arent ready for AAS, there is no way you have reached your genetic potential! most experienced bb'ers only put on say 109lbs at most on cycle.. and thats because they have surpassed their genetic potential and have to work hard to put any gains on a frame that isnt supposed to hold it.

my TWO CENTS, as you yanks say :P

GOD DAMN WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY (i'm saying this because i'm drunk and actually A.D.D. part Inattention because):

I dotn care what anyone says, but if you put that much weight on in one cycle and most is muscle then you clearly arent ready for AAS,

You don't care what anybody says, but if you put on xxx amount of weight on in one cycle AND most of it is muscle, then you MUST NOT be ready for AAS ...
"YOU CLEARLY AREN(')T READY FOR AAS IF YOU PUT ON 10+ POUNDS OR MORE..." QFT :damnit: :sad: :thinking: :rolleyes: heh
 
wtf
too many reasons not to even go there...
 
My 2 cents

If I do another cycle it would definetely be injectibles or tried and tested orals like d-bol or anavar. I had good results with superdrol (+12lbs after PCT) but I'd much rather use something with less sides and more history atttached to it.

From what I understand D-bol hasnt been made in years from a real pharma company and any you might find in the wild was made in an underground lab , might contain the real chemical or it might be another type of an easier made chemical or it might contain nothing active just a filler. Ill stick to Assayed designers anyday.
 
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