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pantera is Far beyond driven!!!

hman85 said:
So hows your sister feeling after she left my house last night? J/k but the hot thing was a little weird lol:run:
About the bloating thing I also get that some times when taking superdrol. It sucks and makes me feel like a fat ass. I have noticed if I lower my carbs throughout(spellcheck that just looks wrong) the day that it helps alot not sure how the diet is but that could help. On a second note you did great for 10/10/10 thats the way everyone should try it first nice and low risk:cheers:
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I personally don't get when someone won't admit that someone in their family is good looking or not.I'm not saying I want to marry or have "relations" with her.She is just very pretty,and most,if not all of her friends are hot.Which is what I was realy getting at about her friend.I did raise my carbs in general,but especially in my shakes.I did this at the beginning though after reading how much superdrol loves carbs.I am very happy with the cycle.It just kind of sucks that not much happened in the last week.I was expecting more,but i'm still grateful for what I got.
 
pantera101 said:
I personally don't get when someone won't admit that someone in their family is good looking or not.I'm not saying I want to marry or have "relations" with her.She is just very pretty,and most,if not all of her friends are hot.Which is what I was realy getting at about her friend.I did raise my carbs in general,but especially in my shakes.I did this at the beginning though after reading how much superdrol loves carbs.I am very happy with the cycle.It just kind of sucks that not much happened in the last week.I was expecting more,but i'm still grateful for what I got.
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Yeah i would say that it was because you were still at 10mgs if you would of raised it in the last week. You definately would of packed on somemore weight.
 
hman85 said:
Yeah i would say that it was because you were still at 10mgs if you would of raised it in the last week. You definately would of packed on somemore weight.
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I've been thinking that too.I also would of got the leg cramps and increased back pumps too though..........I'm realy thinking about doing two weekers with m-drol from now on.Maybe even 10/10 next time.Or possibly 10/20.The leg cramps suck!They are the most intense cramps I ever had,and it realy sucks when they start kicking in out in public.
 
i think its awesome u did 10/10/10

1) It shows everyone out there that even a low dose can yeild good gains

2) You only used 21 caps so u have 69 left for another run

3) Next time u run mdrol u can up the dose and expect similar, if not BETTER gains rather than switching compounds all together
 
pantera101 said:
I've been thinking that too.I also would of got the leg cramps and increased back pumps too though..........I'm realy thinking about doing two weekers with m-drol from now on.Maybe even 10/10 next time.Or possibly 10/20.The leg cramps suck!They are the most intense cramps I ever had,and it realy sucks when they start kicking in out in public.
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I feel your pain. I had a stubborn knot on the inside of my left shoulder blade (I think that's what it was) since after high school. Ran Superdrol almost 2 years ago, the pumps between my shoulder blades were the only side effect I felt.

I had to limit my shoulder day routine because it felt like there was an alien digging around back there. No lower back or calves.
 
nosnmiveins said:
i think its awesome u did 10/10/10

1) It shows everyone out there that even a low dose can yeild good gains

2) You only used 21 caps so u have 69 left for another run

3) Next time u run mdrol u can up the dose and expect similar, if not BETTER gains rather than switching compounds all together
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X2. It's really unselfish also, knowing that you may not benefited from this cycle.
 
You said you had problems eating enough during the last week, I'd lean more towards that being the major culprit and not the doseage bro. Still a great cycle, enjoy your PCT, and make a nice plan for the next one :D

MB
 
ManBeast said:
You said you had problems eating enough during the last week, I'd lean more towards that being the major culprit and not the doseage bro. Still a great cycle, enjoy your PCT, and make a nice plan for the next one :D

MB
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I'm thinking the m drol caused this though.I have been a big eater since I learned how important eating is for growing.I just couldn't do it all day during the last week.I had a big lunch yesterday,but I only had a shake before and after training.Then half a hamburger between that and lunch.So I should of had a big lunch.
 
I took some emasurements last night and they went from;
arms-14 5/8-15 1/16
quads-24 5/8-25 1/2
calves 15 3/4-16 3/8
So I did see some more gains in quads and calves.Weight this morning was at 182 again,as it was yesterday.
 
pantera101 said:
I took some emasurements last night and they went from;
arms-14 5/8-15 1/16
quads-24 5/8-25 1/2
calves 15 3/4-16 3/8
So I did see some more gains in quads and calves.Weight this morning was at 182 again,as it was yesterday.
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Congratulations bro!:clap2: I think you did just awesome on this run. Who knows what's to blame for your lack of appetite that last week. It's hotter than Hades out in that sun you're working in. You have a really hard job also. It may NOT have been the m-drol after all. It never kills my appetite, but we're all different. I think 2 weeks is just a little short for a cycle though bro. I would stay with 3 weekers, but next time around you may want to go 10/20/20 and see how it affects you. That's still low-dose in my book. You shouldn't have calf/shin pumps or back pumps if you drink plenty of water, get plenty of potassium, and take at least 2 or 3 grams of Taurine. Celebrate now and grab your sister (I mean her friend) LOL!!:toofunny: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
LOL, I second that thunder!

MB
 
pantera101 said:
I took some emasurements last night and they went from;
arms-14 5/8-15 1/16
quads-24 5/8-25 1/2
calves 15 3/4-16 3/8
So I did see some more gains in quads and calves.Weight this morning was at 182 again,as it was yesterday.
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where are you measuring for the quads?
 
hman85 said:
where are you measuring for the quads?
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Up high under my butt.I have heard some say you measure seven inches above the knee,but thats just stupid to me.You got guys who are barely 5' and guys that are 6' plus.Then guys at the same height with shorter/longer legs.So thats just not fair if you ask me.The one I heard off an actual web site that makes the most sence to me,is to measure the biggest part of each muscle(bi's peak)and make sure the tape is straight.Thats the one I always follow.
 
thundergod said:
Congratulations bro!:clap2: I think you did just awesome on this run. Who knows what's to blame for your lack of appetite that last week. It's hotter than Hades out in that sun you're working in. You have a really hard job also. It may NOT have been the m-drol after all. It never kills my appetite, but we're all different. I think 2 weeks is just a little short for a cycle though bro. I would stay with 3 weekers, but next time around you may want to go 10/20/20 and see how it affects you. That's still low-dose in my book. You shouldn't have calf/shin pumps or back pumps if you drink plenty of water, get plenty of potassium, and take at least 2 or 3 grams of Taurine. Celebrate now and grab your sister (I mean her friend) LOL!!:toofunny: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Thats just funny!
 
good vodka?

MB
 
I love vodka!!!
My nolva tastes like tiny tablets that I swallow so fast I never even knew they were there:thumbsup:
I think your only supposed to be feeding that sht to your rats though anyways there pantera....
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
I love vodka!!!
My nolva tastes like tiny tablets that I swallow so fast I never even knew they were there:thumbsup:
I think your only supposed to be feeding that sht to your rats though anyways there pantera....
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Thats what the rats told me..........and no MB,they said it taste like cheap vodka.
 
pantera101 said:
Thats what the rats told me..........and no MB,they said it taste like cheap vodka.
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Now THAT'S just funny!! :toofunny: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
My rats only like svedka, stoli, absolut and better :D

MB
 
:woohoo: Lee Priest comes back to MD! :woohoo: It's about damn time!I love that guy!No one can match his insane proportions and still look even half as aesthetically pleasing.Mr. Coleman tried but ended up with a turtle shell for a stomach. :lol:

Anyways.......today was day 2 of no m drol,and first day to work out.It felt great.I went a little lower on reps towards the end of sets to help preserve strength to help preserve muscle,but I actually felt a little stronger today.Pumps and contractions weren't as good,but the pumps and contractions these last three weeks were unreal.I realise that more so now without them......You don't know what ya got,til it's gone!

I also would like to say that I used the rpm today at four caps,and loved it!I also used the hemadraulix and it was nice too,but like I said I was getting crazy pumps these last three weeks.I'm guessing it's more of the drive and/or rpm,but I definately had a sence of well being this morning.Kind of a hyper sence of well being.I started drive on the last day of m drol,and that workout was nice too.But with the two together......It just felt good!

Also weight this morning was almost 183!Thats a lb up since cycle.We'll see if it sticks though.Apetite is back in full swing for sure,and I have no loss of interest in porn................
 
Good start man!

:thumbsup:

MB
 
Mmmmm, porn .lol......Good job bro just keep pushing those weight's around to solidify those gains man. What's your whole pct here? Nola (starting off at 20mgs)? and drive+hemadraulix? You got any creatine in there? an AI maybe (I don't like'em but some do).
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
Mmmmm, porn .lol......Good job bro just keep pushing those weight's around to solidify those gains man. What's your whole pct here? Nola (starting off at 20mgs)? and drive+hemadraulix? You got any creatine in there? an AI maybe (I don't like'em but some do).
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I only consider my pct as nolva and drive.Although rpm says it increases test too.So if it does,I consider it part of pct too.But yes,I'm taking nolva,drive,rpm,and hemadraulix.Also phosphatidyl serine for cortisol.I use creatine yr round,so it's in there too.I'm also finishing off my cycle support.Once it's gone,I will still use hawthorne berry and milk thistle.Also niacin for lipids.I use a multi vitamin,fish oil,,and a b vitamin complex yr round too.I'm also using carboxy 1 for prolactin induced gyno.I belive thats finally it..........
With the nolva I don't see a need for an AI since superdrol supresses estrogen and nolva wont let estrogen give me boobs!
 
Is it icaarin?Thats in both and I heard some say that_______(some weird word)is great for increasing test which is in drive.I'm gueswsing everything in drive just about should help increase test?
 
pantera101 said:
I only consider my pct as nolva and drive.Although rpm says it increases test too.So if it does,I consider it part of pct too.But yes,I'm taking nolva,drive,rpm,and hemadraulix.Also phosphatidyl serine for cortisol.I use creatine yr round,so it's in there too.I'm also finishing off my cycle support.Once it's gone,I will still use hawthorne berry and milk thistle.Also niacin for lipids.I use a multi vitamin,fish oil,,and a b vitamin complex yr round too.I'm also using carboxy 1 for prolactin induced gyno.I belive thats finally it..........
With the nolva I don't see a need for an AI since superdrol supresses estrogen and nolva wont let estrogen give me boobs!
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Your PCT looks sound as a pound broseph! I look at PCT as a challenge. To be able to keep my poundages and intensity the same as on cycle. It's not easy, but that's what makes it so rewarding. Have a great PCT bro. What's next for Pantera101? THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Your PCT looks sound as a pound broseph! I look at PCT as a challenge. To be able to keep my poundages and intensity the same as on cycle. It's not easy, but that's what makes it so rewarding. Have a great PCT bro. What's next for Pantera101? THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Next will be havoc.4 weeks or more.My weight this morning was 180,but arms still measured the same.I usually check them to cauge results,then legs and calves every now and then.I have also found that calves and legs get quite a bit bigger during the day.Or quite a bit smaller in the morning.Whichever way you want to look at it.Arms are pretty much consistent for me though.Also much easier to measure.I seemed to be pi$$ing alot yesterday during work.Good thing I had a "spot."
 
ROFLMAO, with your work, your legs probably get a bit of a pump during the day. If you are pissing a lot, make sure you keep your water up, you might have been retaining a tiny bit.

MB
 
ManBeast said:
ROFLMAO, with your work, your legs probably get a bit of a pump during the day. If you are pissing a lot, make sure you keep your water up, you might have been retaining a tiny bit.

MB
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Well you and others should try it and see.Measure your legs or quads first thing in the morning.Then later when you get home from work or something.I always drink lots of water.I'm addicted to it and have been for a long time.It started with a glass of ice water beside the bed when I was young,and grew from there.I know,I'm trying to cut back but it's hard.......any WA's(waterolics anonymous)meetings out there?
They say superdrol dries you out and all,but heres my theory.SD loves carbs and stores lots of glycogen(stored carbs)Well carbs also retain water.......so put 2 and 2 together and one way or the other.....their you go!
 
Pantera, you say you want to run havoc next? As you know I'm running epi right now and the best advise I could give you is to run it for six weeks and dose it pretty high! I kept it at 30mgs this week (week 3) cause of that weird noot pain and I regret that sht now.
This is overall pretty mild and that's coming from someone who's never run a ph or designer before so....If I had to do it over I would do something like 20,30,40,40,50,50 for a full six weeks. Just my opinion....
 
Yeah ozarka is at 60 right now.I had a little noot pain yesterday.It wasn't severe but it lasted longer than ususal.Damn near all day once it kicked in.It started the night before but went away.
 
I'll be anxious to see your Havoc log. RPM does increase test, the icarin is one of the things in it that contributes. Thats why I'm on a low dose of it. I'm actually starting to get acne and oily skin from it.
 
pantera101 said:
Next will be havoc.4 weeks or more.My weight this morning was 180,but arms still measured the same.I usually check them to cauge results,then legs and calves every now and then.I have also found that calves and legs get quite a bit bigger during the day.Or quite a bit smaller in the morning.Whichever way you want to look at it.Arms are pretty much consistent for me though.Also much easier to measure.I seemed to be pi$$ing alot yesterday during work.Good thing I had a "spot."
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Damnit P! I told you that you canNOT keep urinating on yor customers' lawn gnomes!! :rofl:
 
crader said:
I'll be anxious to see your Havoc log. RPM does increase test, the icarin is one of the things in it that contributes. Thats why I'm on a low dose of it. I'm actually starting to get acne and oily skin from it.
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How many caps do you dose crader? I have heard from some people that it must be dosed higher than what is on he label. I tried it for the first time at the recommended 4 caps for my bodyweight(195) and honestly noticed nothing from it. Easy gave me a bunch of samples as a trade for a product. Also, i'm currently on cycle and my weight has not been updated, and will not be until the cycle is over. Just in case anyone was wondering about that ;)
 
Yeah, I just didn't want you gettin dehydrated bro, sorry `bout the noot pain tho!

MB
 
Noot is my word goddamnit!!!! JK just remember who started that sht when kids in china start using it:thumbsup: :lol: Holla at ya boy mofo's!!
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
That's probably your boys coming back. Were you shut-down....?
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Not that i could tell anyways.Libido didn't make any drastic changes either way during or after.Thats my main way of telling.I guess the way actually.I have noticed a complete drop in libido before and it seemed my noots were in a dry spell or had a leak if you know what I mean.Nothing weird this time though.
 
bassgod272 said:
How many caps do you dose crader? I have heard from some people that it must be dosed higher than what is on he label. I tried it for the first time at the recommended 4 caps for my bodyweight(195) and honestly noticed nothing from it. Easy gave me a bunch of samples as a trade for a product. Also, i'm currently on cycle and my weight has not been updated, and will not be until the cycle is over. Just in case anyone was wondering about that ;)
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Actually up to 200 is supposed to use 3.Up to 250 uses 4.I guess you're close though.I heard a few say it is underdosed.I used four the first time and I felt good and hyper.The second time not so much,and the third,today,was all right.I might try 5 eventually I guess.The first day was great though.......
 
Today is day four pf pct.I was supposed to take today off but skipped the off day and went to the gym cause I probably wont go on sunday after my sisters party.I wasn't saying weights and reps in this log cause I honestly can't tell you what they are for higher reps.I know low reps,like 2-4,but for whatever reason i don't pay attenetion or make mental notes with the more traditional reps.Plus the reps change regularly.Sometimes I feel like heavy low reps and other times I feel like lighter higher reps with better pumps and contractions.

Before this cycle I could hit 205 on inc for 2 reps I believe.I was doing 205 4x4 before my cut when I lost lots of muscle.I did this cut during the time I was noticeably shutdown......you live and learn.Now I tell others to never do that.Wait untill pct is done or atleast don't do it if you feel like a 8 yr old boy in the libido department.

So I did 4x4 before my cut,after my first designer.Then hit it twice a couple times after my miserably failed cut.That was such a bad feeling to be noticeably smaller and weaker than you once were. :sad: Today I hit it 7 times.I picked that bar up and said oh sh!t this feels heavy and thats a bad sign.Once I took it down though I knew it was on!
 
pantera101 said:
Actually up to 200 is supposed to use 3.Up to 250 uses 4.I guess you're close though.I heard a few say it is underdosed.I used four the first time and I felt good and hyper.The second time not so much,and the third,today,was all right.I might try 5 eventually I guess.The first day was great though.......
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i have the dosage chart here and it says:

up to 140 - 1 capsule
140-160 - 2 capsules
160-180 - 3 capsules
180 - 220 - 4 capsules
220 and up - 5 capsules

maybe the chart is different on the sample packs?? I rtied 4 today before work and again really didn't notice much. Maybe my adrenals are just extremely fatigued?? Looks like I might have to get some reset a.d. AGAIN!!!
 
My RPM bottle says
up to 100 1
up to 150 2
up to 200 3
up to 250 4
over 150(must be a typo and is upposed to be 250) 5

I say try 5.I might do this tomorrow deoending on how I feel.I seen alot saying it is underdosed and you have to get it right for you,but it's nice once you find the sweet spot..........I'll def do 5 tomorrow.
 
Not to steal the convo but my libido is pretty much nonexistent right now. I don't know if that's because I wont let myself do "bad things" or because I'm totally shut the F down?? What you two think?
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
Not to steal the convo but my libido is pretty much nonexistent right now. I don't know if that's because I wont let myself do "bad things" or because I'm totally shut the F down?? What you two think?
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Totally shut down for sure!Might throw in some dhea and see if it helps.It's not normal for a guy in his "youth" to not want to bang something every 5 minutes..........Unlees of course you natural test production is extremely low.

They still wont let me rep you hate.I guess I don't rep others enough or something.You always seem to rep me once or twice before I can get ya back.
 
pantera101 said:
Totally shut down for sure!Might throw in some dhea and see if it helps.It's not normal for a guy in his "youth" to not want to bang something every 5 minutes..........Unlees of course you natural test production is extremely low.

They still wont let me rep you hate.I guess I don't rep others enough or something.You always seem to rep me once or twice before I can get ya back.
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F that's what I was thinking too bro ahhhh!!! O'well check out my pct:
AI's PCS
Nolvadex
ZMA
TRIB
Fenugreek
L-carnitine
Shock Therapy
Creatine Mono.......
Hope that brings me back-up to speed lol. if not I'm Frucked! Yes Frucked!!! lol....
 
Hate4TheWeak said:
F that's what I was thinking too bro ahhhh!!! O'well check out my pct:
AI's PCS
Nolvadex
ZMA
TRIB
Fenugreek
L-carnitine
Shock Therapy
Creatine Mono.......
Hope that brings me back-up to speed lol. if not I'm Frucked! Yes Frucked!!! lol....
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It should.I have heard some say nolva is all you need to come back at optimal speeds.
 
pantera101 said:
I only consider my pct as nolva and drive.Although rpm says it increases test too.So if it does,I consider it part of pct too.But yes,I'm taking nolva,drive,rpm,and hemadraulix.Also phosphatidyl serine for cortisol.I use creatine yr round,so it's in there too.I'm also finishing off my cycle support.Once it's gone,I will still use hawthorne berry and milk thistle.Also niacin for lipids.I use a multi vitamin,fish oil,,and a b vitamin complex yr round too.I'm also using carboxy 1 for prolactin induced gyno.I belive thats finally it..........
With the nolva I don't see a need for an AI since superdrol supresses estrogen and nolva wont let estrogen give me boobs!
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Id be using clomid as superdol, is a dht steroid, its a progestin, nolva supresses estrogen, but aggravates progestin, using nolva can cause a rebound effect in some, where after pct you get delayed gyno, its uncommon, but you wont get it with clomid, its a better serm for superdrol/Mdrol.
 
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