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this was a paper by anthony roberts and it is very usefull info if your looking at peptides.
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I have to admit, I was one of the last to jump on the Peptides bandwagon. I just wasn’t impressed by the results people had been talking about over the last few years. Sure, the guys in the IFBB have been getting bigger and bigger as the years have been going by, as have NPC competitors, but I still wasn’t convinced that it was from the hGH (human Growth Hormone, also called "GH"), the insulin, or the IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor). Besides, guys were getting pretty huge before that stuff was readily available, so I wasn’t ready to buy into Growth Factors and Peptides just yet.

I was in my late teens when hGH just started getting really popular, and just started becoming the "must have" drug for contest prep…In fact, even a decade later, most bodybuilders still consider hGH almost a necessity for contest prep, and many use the full spectrum of Growth Factors (Insulin, IGF-1, hGH) virtually year round. But still, from talking to regular bodybuilders, I wasn’t impressed. Most people who I spoke to (who weren’t professional bodybuilders or top amateurs) said that growth factors simply didn’t give them the same results as steroids did. Personally, I didn’t see the rationale behind paying a couple of hundred dollars for something which wouldn’t even produce the same results as a couple dollars worth of testosterone. Well…

I think that’s because a lot of people simply use Growth Factors incorrectly…because properly used, I think that they are highly potent and impressive drugs for both athletics as well as bodybuilding. In other words, I was wrong. Sort of. See, I think that the reason we’re seeing mixed results from people using Peptides is their doses and dosing protocols. So what I’m going to do here is basically give you an overview of the various peptides on the market, and let you in on the optimal time, dose, and combination I think will allow them to produce the best possible results. Basically, what I’m going to do is tell you about all of the new peptides on the market, and how they are used for maximum results.

Now, to understand how to properly use them, first a brief explanation of how they function naturally may be in order. Natural GH levels are controlled by several stimuli including both neurotransmitters as well as hormones. Increasing your body’s natural GH level is first initiated in the hypothalamus. There, in the hypothalamus, two peptide hormones act to either increase or decrease GH output from the pituitary gland; these hormones are known respectively as somatostatin (SS) and growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) - and they have opposing effects. Somatostatin acts at the pituitary to decrease hGH output while GHRH acts at the pituitary to increase hGH output. Together these hormones are secreted in pulses to regulate your body’s hGH levels. In this way, your body can either cause the secretion or inhibition of hGH from the pituitary, as necessary.

When there isn’t enough hGH in your body, GHRH acts to initiate the emission of hGH, and when there is too much hGH in the body, somatostatin does the opposite. The latter effect occurs because hGH is subject to a negative feedback loop. When GHRH is released, it causes a hormonal cascade starting with the subsequent secretion of hGH. Once that hGH is released, exerts various metabolic effects…and it triggers the release of IGF-1, which is now known to exert many of the effects previously attributed solely to hGH. (1) IGF-1 is highly anabolic although a large body of contradictory literature exists on the topic of whether hGH is anabolic per se. Regardless, though I personally feel that enough evidence exists to show that Lr3IGF-1 is more potent for building muscle than hGH is (Note: Lr3IGF-1 is 2-3x more potent than regular IGF-1).

Now, with regards to GH as well as IGF-1, after they’re produced and secreted, they then have the ability to circulate back to the hypothalamus as well as the pituitary to initiate somatostatin release. As previously stated, the secretion of somatostatin will complete the negative feedback loop, and decrease hGH release. Although both hGH as well as IGF-1 can do this, and have many other overlapping effects, they seem to be able to produce many divergent effects as well, and individually they would seem to act in both an autocrine and paracrine fashion (meaning they can apparently affect various cells and their neighboring cells without it having to enter the actual cell). This is likely how IGF-1 causes a decrease in body fat, though there are no IGF-1 receptors in fat cells. hGH, on the other hand reduces fat through the hGH receptors found in fat cells. (1) IGF-1, however, is thought to be the primary autocrine/paracrine catalyst in myofiber (muscle) growth, also called "myogenesis" (generation of new muscle tissue).

To understand autocrine/paracrine signaling involved in muscle (myofiber) regeneration and growth, we can point to the various hypertrophic (growth promoting) effects which appear to be totally modulated by IGF-1. When muscle is broken down by training, the destruction of muscle tissue leaves behind something known as "satellite cells". Those satellite cells are small stem cells located within the muscle which are then mobilized by IGF-1 to begin the muscle growth and regeneration process. During this process of regenerating muscle, myoblasts are formed to replace and hypercompensate for damaged/destroyed ones, and then they can either fuse with each other to form totally new myofibers or become incorporated into previously damaged (surviving) myofibers. Ultimately, if more myofibers are created than were destroyed (by training) new muscle growth is experienced.



IGF-I and "myogenesis" during compensatory hypertrophy. Increased loading leads to satellite cell proliferation, differentiation, and fusion. IGF-I has been shown to stimulate these myogeninc processes in skeletal muscles. It is postulated that IGF-I, and/or the loading-sensitive IGF-I isoform Mechano growth factor (MGF), is produced and released by myofibers in response to increased loading or stretch. The increased local concentration of IGF-I (MGF) would then stimulate the myogenic processes needed to drive the hypertrophy response. (Adams J Appl Physiol 93: 1159-1167, 2002; doi:10.1152/japplphysiol.01264.2001 8750-7587/02 $)

Though IGF-1’s effects on the creation of new muscle tissue are clear and direct, it would appear that hGH probably exerts the majority of its anabolic effects on muscular tissues through its ability to stimulate the secretion of IGF. Although it’s also speculated that there could also be an additional (and direct) effect exerted by hGH on muscle as well, though this has been difficult to prove for scientists.

As we already know, the production of IGF-1 probably occurs when hGH is first released from the pituitary (or injected), then travels to the liver and other muscle tissue where it influences the synthesis and subsequent release of IGF-1. We know that the newly secreted IGF-1 then travels in the blood to the target tissues after being released from the cells that produced it (in the liver, in this case, but also in muscle tissue when you train).

Although all of this seems promising, and I previously had read about the GH/IGF axis, I just hadn’t been a fan of either hGH or IGF-1, because of their relatively high cost, compared to other anabolic compounds. I had also been hearing less than amazing results being reported from some people using IGF (remember, in my estimation, I now think that those people were using it poorly, as regards timing and dosing). I’ve actually been interviewing dozens of bodybuilders and athletes, and trying to figure out what kind of doses and dosing protocol the most successful use of IGF has been. Now that I’ve figured out exactly how to use IGF and other peptides for optimal results, I think that they are really quite remarkable. Just hang on, because I’m getting around to telling you how to use them…But first, I need to go over a bit more about IGF, and how it isn’t only produced in the liver.

This is possibly the most important part about production of IGF-1…all of the production/secretion of it isn’t actually done in the liver. And this last fact brings up an interesting (and very relevant) point about IGF…and that is the idea that it can be locally produced in alternate splices in muscle tissue as a response to training (2). While liver produced IGF-1 has several important systemic (total body) effects, when it is produced locally (in muscle) it has several different physiological functions (but mainly we’re concerned with muscle growth and development, and fat loss).

Lets take a look at what happens when you resistance train, and look at how your body responds hormonally. As you can see from the following chart, both eccentric as well as concentric movements will raise IGF-1 levels, as well as IGF-1 receptor concentration levels, while also lowering levels of some IGF binding proteins like IGFBP-4 (which serves to temporarily deactivate IGF-1, possibly inhibiting its actions):



(Chart from: Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 280: E383-E390, 2001; 0193-1849/01)

Also of note is that skeletal muscle IGF-I mRNA and protein expression both increase during mechanical loading (2), thus indicating that the locally produced IGF-1 is not exactly the same as liver produced IGF…nor is the liver the only source of IGF-I. This is very important to us here. In fact, a review of this evidence makes it highly unlikely that increases in liver produced IGF-I are necessary for hypertrophy and instead, we find a much higher correlation in new muscle mass with locally produced IGF.(3)

This locally produced IGF is extremely likely to cause myogenesis during skeletal muscle hypertrophy by contributing to at least by three important molecular processes:

1. increased satellite cell activity

2. gene transcription

3. protein translation



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Each of these processes contributes in a different manner to local and general muscle growth. It is highly likely that IGF-I, through each of these three processes, directly and significantly contributes to hypertrophy. So we can see that once IGF-1 is produced in the muscle, by mechanical stimulation (resistance training) the gene is actually slightly different than liver produced IGF-1…this indicates that the IGF-1 gene can actually be "spliced" into different forms, to produce divergent effects on the hypertrophy response.(4)

So we know that there are different forms of IGF-1, caused by gene splicing, which have now been identified to follow resistance training. Basically, this means that different isoforms (forms) of the IGF-I gene have been shown to be expressed by muscles when subjected to mechanical stimulation. In other words, when you lift weights, varying "versions" of the same basic IGF-1 gene are created out of the IGF-1 which is secreted. This brings us to the dominant isoform of IGF-1 which is expressed primarily during mechanical overload: Mechano Growth Factor, or MGF.(3)

However, before going on, it is important to keep in mind that these isoforms of the human IGF-1 gene (some of which are IGF-1Ea, b, and c) are all very similar to each other and all have the ability to produce slightly different (though important) effects which aid muscle growth.



However, when examining all of these different isoforms, it would seem that the primary growth factor responsible for the hypertrophy process is insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) and MGF, or Mechano Growth Factor (IGF-1Ec).(7)

Actually, though, even though MGF seems to be the most important isoforms of IGF-1, there are two isoforms which appear very relevant to hypertrophy are: IGF-1Ea (sometimes termed "muscle IGF-1") which is actually similar to the IGF-I produced by the liver, and as already mentioned, IGF-IEc (termed mechano-growth factor and known to bodybuilders and athletes simply as "MGF"). (3) The latter of those two only appears to be produced by damaged, stretched, or loaded muscle tissue (5-7), as a repair/rebuilding mechanism. Although, the actual mechanistic roles of these different isoforms of IGF-1 as regards muscular hypertrophy are still regarded as quite complex and not well understood, IGF-1 (and specifically these isoforms of IGF-1) could actually be the most important contributor to skeletal muscle hypertrophy.

Before I go on to my personal preferences on how to use IGF-1 and MGF, I think I should clearly state that I feel that the combination of those two (or even either one alone) is far superior to the use of hGH, for most purposes. In fact, lately I’ve been getting quite a bit of heat over my recommendations to use a combination of Lr3IGF-1 and MGF in lieu of hGH, and I think that at this point, it’s not too difficult to understand why I consider IGF-1 and MFG to be a very potent combination for muscular growth- far superior to hGH. IGF-1’s superiority to hGh is intuitive at some level, but has also been clearly elucidated clinically as well. In the following graphs taken from a rodent study comparing IGF-1 and hGH, a low dose as well as a high dose of IGF-1 was shown to be more anabolic than hGH. In comparison to hGH, IGF-1 produced an overall greater total protein content within the injected muscle as well as a greater final weight of the that muscle (called the "Tibialis Anterior" or TA) (9):



So, in comparison (in this study), it seems to be the case that IGF-1 would be superior to hGH as an anabolic agent. In some clinical studies, that is not always the case, but in bodybuilders and athletes I’ve spoken to, greater results are often seen with IGF-1 over hGH - and it should be noted that they are often seen more quickly as well. And while an intact insulin and IGF-1 Receptor signaling system is necessary for hGH to produce an anabolic effect (10), an hGH receptor deficiency is not sufficient to stop IGF-1 from being anabolic. (11) This is another reason to believe that when you are using hGH, you’re really just hoping that it produces IGF-1, for an anabolic effect.

There’s also another important reason I favor the use of IGF-1/MGF instead of hGH. Over the past few decades, hGH has developed quite a reputation for taking awhile (often several weeks) for the user to start seeing results. In contrast, IGF-1 often begins to product noticeable results within the first couple of weeks. When talking to people who have used both, I’m finding that the current trend is leaning towards IGF-1 use. At this point I should note that the IGF-1 use that’s most popular (and the kind I would recommend) is always the Lr3IGF-1 version.

Although it’s a fairly new peptide, recent studies drawing the comparison between IGF-1 and MGF have concluded that MGF is even quicker to produce results. (4) Actually, it’s been found in rodent studies to produce both faster and better results with regards to muscle growth, compared to IGF-1.(4)

Now that I think I’ve stated my case for IGF and MGF being used instead of hGH, I’ll tell you how I personally have used them successfully- and where my dosing protocol comes from. I’ve been noticing that the bodybuilders who are getting the best results from both Lr3IGF-1 as well as MGF are using it after workouts. So first of all, my recommendation is to inject them after working out. You’ll be getting better results by using them by injecting at this time because after mechanical loading (weight training with CONcentric and ECCentric loads), your levels of specific IGF-binding proteins (like IGFBP-4 are lower) (12). IGFBP-4 is a protein which binds to IGF-1 and inhibits its anabolic effects. As you can see from the picture below, levels of IGFBP-4 are lower following both concentric as well as eccentric movements, than pre-workout:



Thus, it makes sense that you’ll get better results by injecting when levels of IGFBP-4 are lower than usual. In addition, at this time (right after a workout), IGF-1 levels are high (particularly MGF), and I feel that an additional spike in those levels would aid in the body’s ability to induce myogenesis and therefore hypertrophy. If I’m going to spend the money on IGF-1 and MGF, I’d rather inject them when binding protein levels are lowest, and they can have their maximum effect- and that means injecting them after a workout which contains a stretch component, as well as eccentric and concentric loads.

This is why I recommend shooting MGF immediately post workout, when natural levels of it are already elevated. The addition of extra MGF should push more satellite cells towards the formation of new muscle tissue, and I firmly believe that maximal benefits from this compound won’t be experienced if it’s not used after the muscle has been broken down and overloaded with training. After all, MGF is a repair factor, and I think it’s only logical to conclude that it should be used when muscle repair is going to (hopefully) be taking place anyway.

Next, I recommend using Lr3IGF-1 about an hour later…because at this point, although MGF is still highly elevated, we can still derive a benefit from adding in some IGF-1, which will then be spliced appropriately into the isoforms which are most needed by the body. When we look at both young and old subjects who are resistance trained, we see that the highest MGF levels correspond with the lowest IGF- 1Ea levels (5):



This is why I think that by introducing an excess of MGF into the body, followed by IGF-1 which will then be spliced appropriately, will produce the additional activation of satellite cells, protein translation, and gene transcription will force the body to produce much more new tissue than if MGF or IGF are used at any other point during the day, or in a different sequence.

So how much is being used? Well, in talking with bodybuilders and other athletes, I’m finding that the magic starts with these drugs at about 80-100mcgs, which is injected into the primary muscle trained in the preceding workout- half going into that muscle on one side of the body, the other half going into the mirror image of that muscle on the other side. At this point, adequate protein and carbs need to be ingested, because IGF-1 is only going to be effective when there is adequate protein in the body to build new tissue from.(13)

So those are my full recommendations, and reasons behind them. IGF-1 (especially Lr3IGF-1) and MGF are going to be more effective than hGH, for muscle growth, and if you use them in the way I’ve outlined, you’re going to take advantage of your lowest levels of inhibitory binding proteins (thus allowing the peptides to exert maximal effects), while giving your body the best possible environment to create new muscle tissue from your workouts.

So as I said in the beginning of this article, I wasn’t the first to jump on the peptide bandwagon- but now that I figured out how to use them, they’re becoming an increasingly large (and successful) part of my anabolic intake. If you’re interested in trying them for the first time, or have used them in the past with less than great results…give my protocol a try. You won’t be disappointed.
 
Im trying right after my work out so I will see how that goes.
 
djbombsquad said:
Im trying right after my work out so I will see how that goes.
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post workout i the best way to go since the IGF-1 receptors are upregulated after resistance training. and just curois as to wether youre doing IM(intra-muscular) or SuQ injections? IM is the most effective way.
 
I am doing sub q most people have told me they have seen both work.
 
The Truth about Anthony Roberts

The Truth about Anthony Roberts
The Truth about Steroid Expert Anthony Roberts
****A Warning to All Bodybuilders !!! Read and Spread the Word!!!****

Meet Anthony Roberts. He writes books and articles on steroids. The accomplishments he lists have included being an elite competitive athlete, training elite competitive athletes and being a MENSA member. He charges $200 per hour for advice! Before you read another word from Anthony or spend another dime, you need to know the truth about Anthony Roberts. Find out who he really is and spread the word.

Lie # 1 His name is Anthony Roberts.

Truth: Though he swears to not hide his real identity and write under his real name, it is a lie. His real name is Anthony Connors. He is 27 years old and lives in Hasbrouck Heights NJ, with…his mommy.

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Lie # 2 “Anthony Roberts is an elite level competitive athlete who claims that he can play any sport at an all-star level”

Truth: Anthony played rugby in college at Seton Hall University. Only problem is, not only is it NOT a Division 1 sport at Seton Hall like Anthony says, Seton Hall doesn’t even have a rugby team! It’s a CLUB SPORT that anybody can join just like the Chess Club or the Scuba Club! After college, Anthony did play a brief and crappy year as a minor level rugby player for two different teams in New Zealand before being tossed off back to America. He says a finger injury ended his career. He now plays for a pay-to-play adult club in Bayonne New Jersey the Bayonne Bombers. This is like the rugby club Anthony joined in college, but worse. It is for old guys that want to play on the weekends!

Lie #3 “Anthony Roberts is an elite level coach”

Truth: Anthony coaches the INTERMURAL rugby team at Kings Point College in NY. Wow! What kind of loser would brag that an intermural team is considered “Elite Level”? Can I have your autograph, Mr. Connors er…Roberts?

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Look at all the old fat dudes on this “elite” team!

Lie #4 “Anthony Roberts is a genius and a MENSA member”

Truth: Anthony only makes this claim when he is “Anthony Roberts”. His real academic resume under the name Anthony Connors never mentions it EVER - ANYWHERE. Why? Because it’s a lie and he made it up. Talk to him for 5 minutes and you’ll see it yourself. But you gotta pay the ****ing scammer $200 to learn that lesson.

Lie # 5 “Anthony is an advocate for the steroid community”

Truth: Forget his lack of understanding on the subject of steroids and the ****ty dangerous advice he gives, Connors is a snitch who published an entire list of dealers with their real names. These were not scammers but standup guys that never ripped anyone off. It happened when these guys realized what a fraud Roberts was and called him out for plagiarizing work and his idiotic theories. So Anthony defended himself by snitching and putting them and all their customers in legal danger.

Lie # 6“Anthony is using his expertise to discovering supplements now!”

Truth: Connors/Roberts hasn’t discovered ****. He took his first and only supplement idea from a guest on an online radio show. This moron wouldn’t have discovered his own ******* had **** not started coming out of it first. Plus, he tells people to use his new pile of **** supplement instead of HCG or Nolvadex for PCT. This supplement was NEVER tested in a SINGLE human, yet Anthony promises it will work twice as good as a prescription drug. He never tested it on people nor did any blood work. Why? Simple. The supplement is garbage, and Anthony is all about the cash and wants yours!

Lie # 7 “Anthony is a highly respected steroid guru and professional”

Truth: You can put this scammer’s work into 2 categories:
1. Inaccurate and dangerous
2. Copied from other people

Other real experts think he is stupid and gives dangerous advice. Here is what Dr. John Crisler (a real hormone doctor) had to say about Anthony:

“There isn't anyone who knows anything about this stuff who respects him. His MO is always the same. He has NEVER engaged in an intelligent debate about any of the goofy ideas he comes up with… He was just thrown off M&M. Fired, humiliated…. Sooner or later, ALL the Boards will realize what an idiot he is.

IMPO, Anthony Roberts is absolutely clueless. I have no idea where he comes up with the totally idiotic ideas he publishes. The fact he refuses to even answer any questions once he is questioned about them--but instead merely tries to ignite his flamethrower--warrants no respect from anyone.”

This doctor is not alone. Nobody with any credibility supports this loser.

Lie # 8 “You can Trust Him”

Truth: Anthony Roberts lies about who he is and what he has done because he wants your money. That’s why he and his co-writer Brian Clapp also run the website roidstore.com. It is just another one of their many ways to scam you out of your money! Take a look for yourself. The site sells products that have names and bottles that look almost identical to real steroids. But that is the rub. It is setup to trick newbies into thinking it sells steroids, but it’s really just useless herbs and vitamins packaged to look like steroids. You think you are buying 25mg methandrostenolone tablets, but get a bottle of vitamins with the name “meTanDESenolone”. What the **** is metandesenolone? Nothing but a way to rip you off for $85, that’s what. And lets not forget you can’t trust this liar because he’s a phoney and doesn’t even understand steroids.

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Anthony Roberts is everything Anthony Connors wishes he could be but never will be. Anthony Roberts is his fantasy character, made up to sell you crappy stuff.

Connors = intermural rugby vs. Roberts = elite rugby player Connors = intermural coach vs. Roberts = elite athlete coach Connors = idiot vs. Roberts = Genius
 
Xodus said:
The Truth about Anthony Roberts
The Truth about Steroid Expert Anthony Roberts
****A Warning to All Bodybuilders !!! Read and Spread the Word!!!****

Meet Anthony Roberts. He writes books and articles on steroids. The accomplishments he lists have included being an elite competitive athlete, training elite competitive athletes and being a MENSA member. He charges $200 per hour for advice! Before you read another word from Anthony or spend another dime, you need to know the truth about Anthony Roberts. Find out who he really is and spread the word.

Lie # 1 His name is Anthony Roberts.

Truth: Though he swears to not hide his real identity and write under his real name, it is a lie. His real name is Anthony Connors. He is 27 years old and lives in Hasbrouck Heights NJ, with…his mommy.

Invalid Link Removed

Lie # 2 “Anthony Roberts is an elite level competitive athlete who claims that he can play any sport at an all-star level”

Truth: Anthony played rugby in college at Seton Hall University. Only problem is, not only is it NOT a Division 1 sport at Seton Hall like Anthony says, Seton Hall doesn’t even have a rugby team! It’s a CLUB SPORT that anybody can join just like the Chess Club or the Scuba Club! After college, Anthony did play a brief and crappy year as a minor level rugby player for two different teams in New Zealand before being tossed off back to America. He says a finger injury ended his career. He now plays for a pay-to-play adult club in Bayonne New Jersey the Bayonne Bombers. This is like the rugby club Anthony joined in college, but worse. It is for old guys that want to play on the weekends!

Lie #3 “Anthony Roberts is an elite level coach”

Truth: Anthony coaches the INTERMURAL rugby team at Kings Point College in NY. Wow! What kind of loser would brag that an intermural team is considered “Elite Level”? Can I have your autograph, Mr. Connors er…Roberts?

Invalid Link Removed

Look at all the old fat dudes on this “elite” team!

Lie #4 “Anthony Roberts is a genius and a MENSA member”

Truth: Anthony only makes this claim when he is “Anthony Roberts”. His real academic resume under the name Anthony Connors never mentions it EVER - ANYWHERE. Why? Because it’s a lie and he made it up. Talk to him for 5 minutes and you’ll see it yourself. But you gotta pay the ****ing scammer $200 to learn that lesson.

Lie # 5 “Anthony is an advocate for the steroid community”

Truth: Forget his lack of understanding on the subject of steroids and the ****ty dangerous advice he gives, Connors is a snitch who published an entire list of dealers with their real names. These were not scammers but standup guys that never ripped anyone off. It happened when these guys realized what a fraud Roberts was and called him out for plagiarizing work and his idiotic theories. So Anthony defended himself by snitching and putting them and all their customers in legal danger.

Lie # 6“Anthony is using his expertise to discovering supplements now!”

Truth: Connors/Roberts hasn’t discovered ****. He took his first and only supplement idea from a guest on an online radio show. This moron wouldn’t have discovered his own ******* had **** not started coming out of it first. Plus, he tells people to use his new pile of **** supplement instead of HCG or Nolvadex for PCT. This supplement was NEVER tested in a SINGLE human, yet Anthony promises it will work twice as good as a prescription drug. He never tested it on people nor did any blood work. Why? Simple. The supplement is garbage, and Anthony is all about the cash and wants yours!

Lie # 7 “Anthony is a highly respected steroid guru and professional”

Truth: You can put this scammer’s work into 2 categories:
1. Inaccurate and dangerous
2. Copied from other people

Other real experts think he is stupid and gives dangerous advice. Here is what Dr. John Crisler (a real hormone doctor) had to say about Anthony:

“There isn't anyone who knows anything about this stuff who respects him. His MO is always the same. He has NEVER engaged in an intelligent debate about any of the goofy ideas he comes up with… He was just thrown off M&M. Fired, humiliated…. Sooner or later, ALL the Boards will realize what an idiot he is.

IMPO, Anthony Roberts is absolutely clueless. I have no idea where he comes up with the totally idiotic ideas he publishes. The fact he refuses to even answer any questions once he is questioned about them--but instead merely tries to ignite his flamethrower--warrants no respect from anyone.”

This doctor is not alone. Nobody with any credibility supports this loser.

Lie # 8 “You can Trust Him”

Truth: Anthony Roberts lies about who he is and what he has done because he wants your money. That’s why he and his co-writer Brian Clapp also run the website roidstore.com. It is just another one of their many ways to scam you out of your money! Take a look for yourself. The site sells products that have names and bottles that look almost identical to real steroids. But that is the rub. It is setup to trick newbies into thinking it sells steroids, but it’s really just useless herbs and vitamins packaged to look like steroids. You think you are buying 25mg methandrostenolone tablets, but get a bottle of vitamins with the name “meTanDESenolone”. What the **** is metandesenolone? Nothing but a way to rip you off for $85, that’s what. And lets not forget you can’t trust this liar because he’s a phoney and doesn’t even understand steroids.

Invalid Link Removed

Anthony Roberts is everything Anthony Connors wishes he could be but never will be. Anthony Roberts is his fantasy character, made up to sell you crappy stuff.

Connors = intermural rugby vs. Roberts = elite rugby player Connors = intermural coach vs. Roberts = elite athlete coach Connors = idiot vs. Roberts = Genius
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Oh thank you! I have read the idiocy that has spewed from this fool's mouth in both articles and message board conversations, but I have never seen such a succinct debunking of who this steroid "performance artist" really is. He makes crazy claims about nutrition/exercise/peptides/steroid/PCT, and when a medical doctor or someone with medical training and knowledge questions him about it, he claims that being on Costas Live or having a book of culled internet sources published supersedes their education and experience. Sadly, some people are swayed by that, and will inject substances into their bodies according to whatever he makes up. That's the epitome of an ineffective dosing protocol, and occasionally dangerous.

Maybe I'm being a bit mean, but I'm still shocked about the misinformation he spread in his GHRP-6 article that's made the rounds on the internet. In in, he claims that GHRP-6 works to stimulate HGH secretion from the pituitary gland (fine), but later in the article he's talking about GHRP-6 site injections! How do site injections work if the GHRP-6 works by increasing a systemic HGH release? He couldn't even understand the information he culled from the internet and put into his own article, which resulted in him giving advice on usage that is 180 degrees from how the peptide works.

I just want to say you really, truly have made my day, and everyone else, BEWARE.
 
shamank said:
Oh thank you! I have read the idiocy that has spewed from this fool's mouth in both articles and message board conversations, but I have never seen such a succinct debunking of who this steroid "performance artist" really is. He makes crazy claims about nutrition/exercise/peptides/steroid/post cycle therapy, and when a medical doctor or someone with medical training and knowledge questions him about it, he claims that being on Costas Live or having a book of culled internet sources published supersedes their education and experience. Sadly, some people are swayed by that, and will inject substances into their bodies according to whatever he makes up. That's the epitome of an ineffective dosing protocol, and occasionally dangerous.

Maybe I'm being a bit mean, but I'm still shocked about the misinformation he spread in his GHRP-6 article that's made the rounds on the internet. In in, he claims that GHRP-6 works to stimulate HGH secretion from the pituitary gland (fine), but later in the article he's talking about GHRP-6 site injections! How do site injections work if the GHRP-6 works by increasing a systemic HGH release? He couldn't even understand the information he culled from the internet and put into his own article, which resulted in him giving advice on usage that is 180 degrees from how the peptide works.

I just want to say you really, truly have made my day, and everyone else, BEWARE.
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i have not got to check out to many of his writings but for this one on igf-1 and mgf is pretty legit wheither he copyed it from another source or not.
 
Xodus said:
6-10 hours on IGF-1 LR3.
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the igf-1-long-r3 last in your body for more of extended period of time hinting the long. whatever you muscles dont use kinda floats around in there until it finds something to bind to compared to a basic igf-1 is just a few hours. but anyone know the half life on MGF
 
shamank said:
Oh thank you! I have read the idiocy that has spewed from this fool's mouth in both articles and message board conversations, but I have never seen such a succinct debunking of who this steroid "performance artist" really is. He makes crazy claims about nutrition/exercise/peptides/steroid/post cycle therapy, and when a medical doctor or someone with medical training and knowledge questions him about it, he claims that being on Costas Live or having a book of culled internet sources published supersedes their education and experience. Sadly, some people are swayed by that, and will inject substances into their bodies according to whatever he makes up. That's the epitome of an ineffective dosing protocol, and occasionally dangerous.

Maybe I'm being a bit mean, but I'm still shocked about the misinformation he spread in his GHRP-6 article that's made the rounds on the internet. In in, he claims that GHRP-6 works to stimulate HGH secretion from the pituitary gland (fine), but later in the article he's talking about GHRP-6 site injections! How do site injections work if the GHRP-6 works by increasing a systemic HGH release? He couldn't even understand the information he culled from the internet and put into his own article, which resulted in him giving advice on usage that is 180 degrees from how the peptide works.

I just want to say you really, truly have made my day, and everyone else, BEWARE.
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Totally. Reps to all the AR haters. :)
 
strap135 said:
i have not got to check out to many of his writings but for this one on igf-1 and mgf is pretty legit wheither he copyed it from another source or not.
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It's almost 100% BS. Sadly, demonstrating WHY and HOW explicitly it's all BS, would require writing something at least 5 times as long as what he wrote. He knows this and goes "uncontested" on boards because no one has time to spend 8 hours writing something that proves him a fool. he just is, that's all.
 
strap135 said:
the igf-1-long-r3 last in your body for more of extended period of time hinting the long. whatever you muscles dont use kinda floats around in there until it finds something to bind to compared to a basic igf-1 is just a few hours. but anyone know the half life on MGF
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OH - MY - GOD. :wtf:

Long is because the peptide chain of the molecule is made artificially LONGer to avoid its binding to IGFBP's. It has nothing to do with length of effect. Some people just love making up any kind of stuff and passing it on as truth? Come ON! :nono:

At the doses at which we use, LR3 IGF-1 gets bound almost immediately to receptors. The studies on "half life" use a ridiculous amount like 5mg on a 5lb rat. That has no bearing at all on what we are doing. Ever meet anyone rich enough to pin 200mg of IGF-1 in one go? :stick:

Never mind the health effects... :blink:

MGF is like a few minutes and it's all gone. At most.
 
Grunt76 said:
It's almost 100% BS. Sadly, demonstrating WHY and HOW explicitly it's all BS, would require writing something at least 5 times as long as what he wrote. He knows this and goes "uncontested" on boards because no one has time to spend 8 hours writing something that proves him a fool. he just is, that's all.
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well i understand this guy is a idiot but can you point out what is BS in his writing on the igf-1 and mgf because researching other sites it seems pretty similar info from many different sources but still legit. if you can tell me a little info on what is BS about it or is it you just an AR hater didnt even read what was wrote just assumed that it was wrong?
 
Grunt76 said:
OH - MY - GOD. :wtf:

Long is because the peptide chain of the molecule is made artificially LONGer to avoid its binding to IGFBP's. It has nothing to do with length of effect. Some people just love making up any kind of stuff and passing it on as truth? Come ON! :nono:

At the doses at which we use, LR3 IGF-1 gets bound almost immediately to receptors. The studies on "half life" use a ridiculous amount like 5mg on a 5lb rat. That has no bearing at all on what we are doing. Ever meet anyone rich enough to pin 200mg of IGF-1 in one go? :stick:

Never mind the health effects... :blink:

MGF is like a few minutes and it's all gone. At most.
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yeah the molecule is longer and im not saying it stays in there for a super long period of time but when they made the molecule longer it had more potential to have a longer half life but alot of what im reading saying more like 24 hours
 
strap135 said:
well i understand this guy is a idiot but can you point out what is BS in his writing on the igf-1 and mgf because researching other sites it seems pretty similar info from many different sources but still legit. if you can tell me a little info on what is BS about it or is it you just an AR hater didnt even read what was wrote just assumed that it was wrong?
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If I may, and I know Grunt doesn't need anyone fighting his battles for him, there are two points of consideration:

1. The information seems very similar to what you've read on other sites because he just took the paragraphs and sentences from other people, gave no accreditation to the original authors, and then mashed all of the info up so it looks like he's actually studied the field; but he hasn't. Right there you shouldn't trust anything he says.

2. In his dosing protocols for IGF-1 lr3, he mentions using a large dose of 80-100 mcgs, post workout. What he doesn't mention is how large of a dose this is, the swift down regulation of IGF receptors, how less and less effective this dose will be over time, and how eventually you're wasting your money and not helping your body. If he actually had any experience with IGF-1 lr3, or actually knew how it worked, he wouldn't recommend such a large dose, maybe 4 times a week, and through perpetuity.

IGF-1 lr3 usage won't kill you, but it's this lack of information and ego slight of hand that should make you trust other sources.
 
strap135 said:
yeah the molecule is longer and im not saying it stays in there for a super long period of time but when they made the molecule longer it had more potential to have a longer half life but alot of what im reading saying more like 24 hours
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It's more like 4 to 6 for IGF-1 lr3 (Journal of Endocrinology, Vol 164, Issue 1, 77-86), however, lr3 is more potent than bound IGF-1.
 
strap135 said:
yeah the molecule is longer and im not saying it stays in there for a super long period of time but when they made the molecule longer it had more potential to have a longer half life but alot of what im reading saying more like 24 hours
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No, by all accounts, LR3 is shorter-lived in the body compared to hIGF-1 which, thanks to IGFBP3, can go on for... Who knows... Surely days.
 
hey, i wonder what you guys would have said if you had no clue that AR wrote this. Come on, the hate is just a lil too much. To say the guy is full of **** and totally discredit him i think is just stupid. he obviously knows somethings so dont just write it off so soon. I thought it was a fairly decent article.
 
pistonpump said:
hey, i wonder what you guys would have said if you had no clue that AR wrote this. Come on, the hate is just a lil too much. To say the guy is full of **** and totally discredit him i think is just stupid. he obviously knows somethings so dont just write it off so soon. I thought it was a fairly decent article.
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He knows something: how to APPEAR like he knows something and draw absolutely unwarranted conclusions from unrelated research and make super-complex statements that simply don't hold up but would take page upon page upon page to argue with. He knows how to twist research and make it appear like it says something which, incidentally, is absolutely in the interests of the companies that sponsor his writing.
 
I am thinking because you create new tissue would it be better to lift till falier and tear as much muscle as possible?
 
bigdogg said:
ok i got peg mgf. i would really like to know how much do i have to take and how often..... thanks
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well 500mcg 2-3 times per week works well and as there may be a localised effect I recommend IM into the muscles to be trained the following days while others just say go SC.

and on the opposing days take 40-50mcg IGF-1 into trained muscles within 5 minutes PWO.
 
pumbertot said:
well 500mcg 2-3 times per week works well and as there may be a localised effect I recommend IM into the muscles to be trained the following days while others just say go SC.

and on the opposing days take 40-50mcg IGF-1 into trained muscles within 5 minutes PWO.
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is this speaking from experience?

why not take the igf on the same days as the pegmgf?

how long?
 
pistonpump said:
is this speaking from experience?

why not take the igf on the same days as the pegmgf?

how long?
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yes from experience. well ive always been led to believe that IGF and MGF can not work simultaneously (cell pooling doesnt happen while cell proliferation does and vice versa) so you want to give each peptide an opportunity to do its thing.

I would say no longer than 7 weeks on followed by same off period.

i made good gains on that cycle. I gained around 5 kilos in 7 weeks while losing 2-3% bodyfat.

this time round im trying regular MGf(non-peg) along with IGF-1 to compare the 2 cycles. only 1 week in so too early to compare.
 
Sorry Grunt but you are really in no position to criticize AR b/c you are biased and far from impartial. The dispute between lil Eddie, your good buddy, and AR is long-standing. Similarly I probably wouldnt pay attention to anything AR says about lil Eddie.

bb
 
babyblu said:
Sorry Grunt but you are really in no position to criticize AR b/c you are biased and far from impartial. The dispute between lil Eddie, your good buddy, and AR is long-standing. Similarly I probably wouldnt pay attention to anything AR says about lil Eddie.

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My knowing that AR is a scumbag has nothing to do with my friendship with Eddie. And even if I didn't write that he is, he would still be. So... In fact, nothing is changed.
 
Well if you are like me, then you are loyal to your friends, so I think it is relevant. Would be to me.

bb
 
GRUNT, do you have any recommendations on books and/or websites or other "resources" that I can educate myself on regaring IFG-1/GH? Very new to it. I've read your stuff and it's very good. I'm looking for material I can study (scientific content, dosing, cycles, nutrition while "on", etc). HELLLLP!

Thanks dood.
 
papapumpsd said:
GRUNT, do you have any recommendations on books and/or websites or other "resources" that I can educate myself on regaring IFG-1/GH? Very new to it. I've read your stuff and it's very good. I'm looking for material I can study (scientific content, dosing, cycles, nutrition while "on", etc). HELLLLP!

Thanks dood.
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There are no human trials on IGF-1 LR3 outside of the bodybuilding community that I am aware of.
 
Just got this in my email:

Monday April 14, 2008

Regrettably, this week’s EliteFitness.com News tells how Anthony Roberts, a former friend and business associate, and his colleague Brian Clapp, raped me, the EliteFitness.com site, and our members - almost bringing us to our knees in the most hateful display of arrogance and backstabbing our community has witnessed since EliteFitness.com went live in 1996. Today, you'll learn the facts of how Anthony Roberts, his partner Brian Clapp, and their sites Steroid.com, RoidStore.com, and BuySteroids.com, have tried relentlessly to seize control of EliteFitness.com and ultimately try to gain control of the community that you, our members, have worked so hard to create. And you'll learn how our community got sued when we discovered that while their Steroid.com site pretends to support and educate bodybuilders, it actually exists to cheat its members into buying the fake steroids that they sell at their sister site, the RoidStore.com.

You need to hear about this terrible state of affairs because you should understand the gravity of the situation for our community of members. After all, EliteFitness.com represents the largest archive of bodybuilding and anabolic steroid information that has ever been assembled, and I will not allow this enormous knowledge base that you helped me amass since EF’s founding in 1996 to be lost. These are the facts about how Anthony Roberts, a friend and colleague of mine, and his partner Brian Clapp, with their sites Steroid.com and RoidStore.com plotted to take control of EliteFitness.com by filing a frivolous lawsuit in Texas and by flooding our Internet Service Providers (ISPs) with notices demanding that our entire web-site be taken offline. And regrettably, this is a lesson in how my stubborn loyalty to someone I liked and trusted almost destroyed my website and me in the process.

Everything started with a talented entrepreneur who went by the name of Jeff Summers and was owner of a company called Impact Nutrition. Jeff was the inspiration and mentor of Steroid.com and RoidStore.com. For years, unscrupulous supplement companies have used deception (I call it “trick supplements”) that attempts to fool you into thinking that you are buying anabolic steroids when instead, you are being sold nothing of the sort. Novice bodybuilders pay dearly for stuff that would never be considered anabolic or muscle building. This has gone on for decades, but not until the Internet and Jeff Summers came along was anyone as successful at deceiving guys into thinking they were buying anabolic steroids when they definitely were not.

Jeff Summers and his company Impact Nutrition perfected fraudulent supplements as steroids marketing. Jeff Summers of course was not the founder of Impact Nutrition’s real name. In this business, many people participate on discussion forums or write articles using a pseudonym. Jeff Summer’s real name was Bart Harcourt. Those of you who have been around EliteFitness.com for any time at all know that we would never reveal the identity of anyone who chooses to use a pseudonym. Anthony Roberts is not a real name, nor is Anthony’s other pseudonym “Hooker.” But we would never tell you Anthony’s real name no matter what this guy does to me because you need to know that without your trust, EliteFitness.com would be nothing. When you do business with EF and even when people try to screw us, our iron clad policy assures you that your personal information will never be sold, misused or mishandled. Anthony Roberts does not afford others the same level of professionalism as some have found out the hard way. Divulge any of your personal information on his sites at your own risk.

Enough digression, the reason I have no qualms letting you know that Jeff Summers was an alias for Bart Harcourt is because Bart is dead. At the height of Impact Nutrition’s rise, Bart was bringing in about $1 million a month from the sale of fake steroids. Bart lived in a mansion, drove a Lamborghini, and partied like a rock-star. But, Bart, like so many other successful entrepreneurial athletes, self-destructed. As is so often the case, injectable anabolic steroid use leads some athletes to the injectable opiate based pharmaceutical Nubain, which athletes prize for its pain and cortisol suppressing properties. Nubain also frequently leads athletes to other opiate based narcotics and in Bart’s case, he became addicted to heroin. Sadly, Bart died of a heroin overdose about a year ago.

Anthony Roberts idolizes his partner Brian Clapp and Brian Clapp idolized his friend Bart Harcourt. So when Bart died, and there was a void to be filled in the bogus steroid market, Brian took everything he had learned from Bart and formed the site RoidStore.com, designed to pimp fake steroids at a level no one had seen before. He also registered BuySteroids.com and other domain names which are other fronts for his RoidStore.com site. In order to find customers, he copied the EliteFitness.com ideas for an anabolic steroid discussion forum community and he partnered with Anthony Roberts - a guy who was only thirteen when EF went live - to write steroid related articles.

Running EliteFitness.com is expensive and we earn the money needed to keep such a large operation going in three ways: through advertising, downloadable e-books, and from your support when you become a Platinum Member. Many EliteFitness.com clones stay online by dealing steroids and they use their forums to generate prospective customers that they can then sell drugs to. The idea behind Brian and Anthony’s Steroid.com site is actually quite ingenious. Steroid.com pretends to support and educate the bodybuilding community, but at the same time it really exists to cheat its members into buying the fake steroids that they sell at their sister site, the RoidStore.com. So although they are not exactly dealing drugs, by dancing around some of the Federal Trade Commission’s rules about truth in advertising, they can make a fortune by selling stuff that pretends to be anabolic steroids but isn’t. Now Brian is the one raking in the cash, living in a mansion, and now he’s the one driving the Lamborghini perhaps even the same one that was once owned by his mentor Bart.

You have to give Brian and Anthony credit, it’s a great idea really; use your Steroid.com EF clone site to sell fake steroids in your very own RoidStore. But their idea has one major problem. You see, most businesses are successful because of repeat customers; however, you can imagine that after you buy something from the RoidStore only to discover that it is not an anabolic steroid, you’re not going to go back and get ripped off again. And so, in order for Brian and Anthony to keep Steroid.com going and to keep gas in the tank of that Lambo, they have to continually find new suckers to buy the fake steroids they sell at their RoidStore.

Here’s how it works:

RoidStore.com sells an oral supplement called “Deca 200” which is a name that sounds an awful lot like pharmaceutical giant Organon’s injectable prescription drug nandrolone decanoate that Organon markets under the brand name Deca-Durabolin. RoidStore claims that “Deca 200” contains a nutritional supplement blend with a name Brian made up called “Nandeconate”, which is definitely not the drug made by Organon.

RoidStore sells another oral supplement called “D-Anabol 25” and they say it contains a nutritional supplement blend with the made up name “Metandesenolone”. Isn’t that curious? “D-Anabol 25” made from “Metandesenolone” sounds an awful lot like the real brand name drug Dianabol produced by pharmaceutical giant Ciba containing the real pharmaceutical methandrostenolone.

RoidStore’s “Tren 75” contains a nutritional supplement blend with a cool sounding fabricated name “Finabolan”, but it does not contain a bit of the real drug trenbolone acetate, which you will find in pharmaceutical giant Hoechst-Roussel’s brand name drug Finaplix.

RoidStore sells something they call “Var 10” which they say contains a nutritional supplement blend with the name they made up of “Oxantrione”. But guess what? “Var 10” doesn’t contain any of the real drug called oxandrolone put out by pharmaceutical giant Searle that Searle sells under the brand name Anavar.

And here’s one of my favorites.

RoidStore sells another oral supplement called “Winn 50” which is a name that sounds an awful lot like pharmaceutical giant Upjohn’s prescription drug Winstrol, which is Upjohn’s brand name for the generic pharmaceutical stanozolol. RoidStore claims that “Winn 50” contains a nutritional supplement blend called “Vanazolol”, which is definitely not the same thing as stanozolol (Winstrol).

Guess who owns the trademarks for D-Anabol 25, Deca 200, Winn 50, Tren 75, Var 10, Nandeconate, Vanazolol, Metandesenolone, and Finabolan? Think it’s Organon, Ciba, Hoechst-Roussel, Searle and Upjohn? Nope, you would be wrong. These trademarks although they sound a lot like the real thing are all owned by Brian Clapp’s company Anabolic Research, LLC.

I wanted you to know what was really in some of RoidStore’s supplements, so I got my hands on a bottle of “Winn 50.” When you get the bottle you find out that “Vanazolol” is actually a proprietary blend of DHEA, taraxacum officinale, (better known as dandelion - yes, the flower) as well as iron, vitamin b12, caffeine, and vanadyl sulphate. All at a retail price of only $95 per bottle! Yes, for a hundred bucks, you could take a pill that wouldn’t help you much more than a multi-vitamin, a salad and a cup of coffee.

So how in the world you may wonder did I get mixed up with Brian Clapp and Anthony Roberts?

In 2006, Anthony approached us about writing an e-book about the new use of peptides and insulin growth factors in bodybuilding and we said that we would read it and sell it for him if he wrote one. We also designed a personal consultation program for Anthony that would enable him to sell hourly consultations to the EliteFitness.com members. The result was a collaboration between my staff and Anthony called “Beyond Steroids” and as steroid books go, this one is really pretty good. The book and the consultations sold reasonably well, we got to know Anthony better and trusted him and we even made him a Chairman Member on our forums.

We had worked with Anthony, promoting him and his book for a long time, when he introduced us to his partner Brian and said that Brian wanted to advertise on EliteFitness.com. Having no idea at the time about the connection between Steroid.com and RoidStore.com, we signed an agreement to run Brian’s advertising on the EliteFitness.com site thinking we would be promoting Brian and Anthony’s Steroid.com discussion forums. But we got screwed big time. We had an agreement with them obligating us to run their ads, only to discover that we were not going to be running Steroid.com ads at all. Instead, they forced us to run banners advertising their RoidStore because the guys on Brian and Anthony’s Steroid.com site weren’t buying their garbage any more. I got suckered just like their customers, but my hands were tied. Because we had a signed contract, they forced me to let them run their banners, although throughout, I never censored what our members had to say about their products and you can read our members' thoughts in these discussion forum posts.

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Finally, in the late summer of 2007, our arrangement with Brian came to an end and we got to pull their RoidStore banners. And I thought that I had heard the last of Brian and his RoidStore. Although the writing was on the wall, I was still unaware of how thick Brian and Anthony’s partnership was and that all along, Anthony had become the darling of Elite just to manipulate us to advertise RoidStore. I’m sure the two of them laughed at me all the way to the bank.

But that was not the end of my foolishness. More and more of my site’s Moderators and Administrators began to complain about how Anthony’s actions on the forums were becoming increasingly erratic and abusive of our members. And in addition, while we were selling his personal consultations, we would find out that he was not speaking to the guys that had paid for his consults at the scheduled times. Many paying members were getting increasingly disappointed and angry. I stupidly decided to remain loyal and kept him on as a Chairman Member of the site – although by this point, I too had become concerned about him as a number of our Moderators were suggesting that they thought Anthony had a substance abuse problem.

I told them emphatically that I did not think that Anthony was involved in recreational drug use. However, his increasingly volatile behavior on the site and his attacks and tirades on the Mods and members in combination with what we knew had happened to the Steroid.com mentor Bart Harcourt and his heroin overdose did make me worry that Anthony might be slipping down that same devastating path and that he had gotten himself mixed up in something he was unable to control.

The final straw came when Anthony asked me to ban another Mod who is a friend of mine because this Mod allegedly suggested that one of Anthony’s friends might not be a natural athlete. Imagine that – who would ever think that a friend of Anthony’s might not be natural? I tried to reason with him and told him that I had no intention of banning this Mod and that if he was upset, he should go on the forums and share his friend’s perspective – not try and get me to censor a legitimate discussion that was not even taking place on the public forums. This made Anthony enraged. We knew that we could not have him around anymore and so the Admins decided to suspend his account on the forums. I was really sad about the decision. I had always liked Anthony and was glad to help give him his start. I also thought he showed so much promise. In a weird way, I felt like I had when my first girlfriend in high-school broke up with me – I wondered what I myself had done wrong.

At the same time, I felt relieved, because I thought I was finally done with the Anthony Roberts and Brian Clapp dog and pony show. I said to myself, “I’ll just continue to sell Anthony’s book, pay him his royalty, and we’ll all move on.” But I did not realize Brian and Anthony’s primary goal was to get RoidStore back on the EliteFitness.com site any way possible. And they intended to sue me if they needed to in order to get the RoidStore.com banner ads back on our forums.

And so, this past winter, we got served with a lawsuit.

In March, EliteFitness.com was served with a lawsuit brought in Texas by Brian Clapp and his company Dynamic Sports Nutrition (Steroid.com) that also employs Anthony Roberts. Brian’s attorney is a guy named Paul Beik who's fresh out of law school and works for Egbert Law Offices. And you’ll never guess what the suit is about. (Actually, you can read the whole thing if you google it as it has been posted online.)
 
Here’s a summary of what EliteFitness.com is getting sued for:

As you know, we market and sell downloadable e-books that are written by various different authors that we represent. One of those authors is a guy who writes as Dino Strong and who wrote what many of our members consider to be the best guide to anabolic steroid cycling ever written. The title of the book is Anabolic Gameplan. In the lawsuit brought by Dynamic Sports Nutrition, Brian and Anthony allege that Dino Strong copied a book by Anthony Roberts titled Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide.

Dino Strong writes a book and EliteFitness.com gets sued by Brian and Anthony. Dino himself is not even named in the lawsuit. And get this, they have not yet told us in writing what they allege was copied. I’ve been told that a few paragraphs they claim Dino copied were posted on their sites, but they have not to this day sent me anything more formal telling me what Dino did wrong. What’s crazier still is that Anthony Roberts got a pre-release copy of Anabolic Gameplan and read it before it ever went on sale. Although he did have a few comments and suggestions, back when we were working with him, he certainly had no problem with our selling Dino’s work.

To make matters worse, after they filed the lawsuit, they sent demand letters to all of our ISPs threatening them that they would be sued too if the entire EliteFitness.com site was not taken offline. And for forty panic inducing minutes on February 29th, they actually succeeded in having our entire site shutdown until our lawyer explained things to our ISP.

Here’s what they want: “Plaintiff (that’s Brian and Anthony) seeks statutory damages in the amount of One Hundred Fifty Thousand Dollars ($150,000.00) per willful infringement and Thirty Thousand Dollars ($30,000.00) per non-willful infringement.” And they want this money from me, not Dino Strong, the book’s author.

Needless to say, I was furious when we got served with a frivolous lawsuit. So, I called my attorney and told her to get ready to fight. Now, don’t get me wrong – I’m not a big fan of attorneys (except for my members who are attorneys – I love you guys) – whenever I have had dealings with lawyers in the past, the only people that tend to come out ahead are the attorneys! Fortunately, my lawyer talked some sense into me. She told me, “You don’t want litigation in Texas – it will cost you a fortune – and even if you win, there is no upside for you. Furthermore, you’ll have to hire counsel in Texas and that’s very expensive too.” And she was right, I’d much rather see some of that money go to AmFAR (The American Foundation for AIDS Research) and Feed the Children, two charities that I have supported for years, and of course, I’d much rather spend that money improving the EliteFitness.com site or spend it on myself.

So I took her advice and we proposed a settlement that would have me pay Brian an amount greater than the ENTIRE profit that EliteFitness.com made on the sale of the Anabolic Gameplan e-book. Why propose something so generous? Because I learned from my attorney that it would be far cheaper to give them everything we got from Dino’s book than to fight the lawsuit in Texas. And I learned that the most they could conceivably expect to win would be $750 to $30,000 – and probably a lot closer to $750 than $30K. In exchange, both Brian and Anthony would have to agree to drop their lawsuit and agree not to sue us again over anything else that had happened in the past.

Finally, my lawyer learned from theirs what they really wanted. What they really wanted was advertising on EliteFitness.com -- and TONS of it. To be specific, they wanted $180,000 in advertising and cash too that I believe would be used to pay their attorney. Essentially, they wanted to plaster RoidStore.com banners on every page of the site.

Well, I definitely was not going to make that same mistake again!

So, what we proposed was a settlement of cash and an advertising credit of $40,000. They would agree to suspend their lawsuit and work with our sales team, to come up with an advertising package that would meet their needs and at the same time not be abusive to our site and our members like their RoidStore ad campaign had been. If an ad package could not be worked out with them, then they would get to start their lawsuit up again. Believe me, I HATED the idea of paying those losers anything, especially since I did not write the e-book in question, since Anthony had received a copy before it went on sale, and since no one believes that any significant copying ever took place at all.

But, the two of them think they have me over a barrel and are determined to extort as much money and advertising as they possibly can. And my willingness to try and settle with them for the sake of saving time and money, has been misconstrued as weakness. The mere thought of their winning the lawsuit seems to have ignited a deluded power play fantasy where they believe I will be unable to afford my lawyers and my site would somehow be turned over to them. Brian and Anthony would not budge from their position of demanding $180,000 in advertising plus a cash payment too. And I still can’t understand why they attack us so viciously after we helped launch Anthony’s career and wrote him royalty checks for 2 years.

And that’s where this sorry state of affairs stands today. I have just hired a team of lawyers in Texas and I have resolved to spend whatever it takes to defend our site and our members. So, we’re off to the races defending a lawsuit over something I did not even write and spending thousands in the process. The irony here is that most likely, the judge will find that the copyright for Brian and Anthony’s book is invalid. To add insult to injury, according to my friend Bill Llewellyn, who authors the Anabolics series that he updates every year, Anthony and Brian plagiarized his work extensively when they wrote their book Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide that they claim Dino infringed. And Bill has agreed to testify on our behalf. The good part of Bill’s testifying is that Anthony and Brian cannot enforce a copyright that is shown to be invalid itself. The bad news is that fighting them will cost a small fortune – money that we had set aside to set up a second datacenter to host EliteFitness.com and offer our members even greater privacy and security in the event of any type of service interruption at our current datacenter.

Now, we need help. I’ll keep you posted on how this plays out and I’ll let you know how you can help us in the weeks ahead. I’ll also let you know about some of the life lessons I have taken from this experience because I do believe that life teaches us lessons that make us better people as we go onward. And regardless of what you may read elsewhere, I want all our members to know that EliteFitness.com is solid and here to stay. I appreciate your reading this long-winded letter – if you have gotten all the way to this paragraph, then you are a friend of EF indeed. And I hope that God-willing, we’ll be back to discussing bodybuilding and fitness in this weekly newsletter in the very near future.

Here's a link on the forums to discuss this newsletter.



Yours in sport,

George Spellwin
PS: I hope you will forward and or post this email anywhere you think it would be appreciated.
 
Exodus: dont believe everything you read. If the lawsuit was baseless then it would be dismissed by a pretrial motion for summary judgment or for failure to state a claim. If the lawsuit was baseless then he wouldnt need an army of lawyers to defend it either.

bb
 
babyblu said:
Exodus: dont believe everything you read. If the lawsuit was baseless then it would be dismissed by a pretrial motion for summary judgment or for failure to state a claim. If the lawsuit was baseless then he wouldnt need an army of lawyers to defend it either.

bb
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Not believing anything really, just thought it was semi-relevant.

I've got no pony in this race.

I'm not a huge fan of EF either, nor do I care about the lawsuit stuff much (although I do think that AR 'borrowed' info from Bill's book)

I just think that AR is a fraud and a snake oil salesman. How he presents himself on various forums generally reflects poorly on his personality.
 
Grunt76 said:
There are no human trials on IGF-1 LR3 outside of the bodybuilding community that I am aware of.
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Ok I wasn't looking for so-called "clinical trials". I was referring to any good quality books/sites that explain IGF-1's use for bodybuilding. Nutrition, sides, cycles, injection how-to's, etc.

Reading forum posts only does so much for me cause there's so much extraneous info in there and a lot of disparate thought. HELP DOOD!
 
papapumpsd said:
Ok I wasn't looking for so-called "clinical trials". I was referring to any good quality books/sites that explain IGF-1's use for bodybuilding. Nutrition, sides, cycles, injection how-to's, etc.

Reading forum posts only does so much for me cause there's so much extraneous info in there and a lot of disparate thought. HELP DOOD!
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I think this site and peptide forum here has more information than you realize. You just need to spend some time reading the stickys and going through all the relevant threads. I do not think there is much more info "out there" than what you can find here is my point.
I don't think there is any formal litereature (Peptides/IGF/Bodybuilding) to the degree you are looking for.
As far as all the extraneous info and "disperate thought", well, you just need to spend the time to see who the more educated people are when discussing specifics (Grunt for example), and sift through the unrelated stuff.
You learn by gathering all the facts, ideas, theories around here and then challenge them with more questions. Eventually it all gets wittled down to the truth of things, in a manner of speaking...

...Either that or just wait for Grunt to write the book ;)
 
Bobaslaw said:
I think this site and peptide forum here has more information than you realize. You just need to spend some time reading the stickys and going through all the relevant threads. I do not think there is much more info "out there" than what you can find here is my point.
I don't think there is any formal litereature (Peptides/IGF/Bodybuilding) to the degree you are looking for.
As far as all the extraneous info and "disperate thought", well, you just need to spend the time to see who the more educated people are when discussing specifics (Grunt for example), and sift through the unrelated stuff.
You learn by gathering all the facts, ideas, theories around here and then challenge them with more questions. Eventually it all gets wittled down to the truth of things, in a manner of speaking...

...Either that or just wait for Grunt to write the book ;)
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Hm, actually it is written already, the only thing left to do is reference it, which I have never done for my board posts. I am extremely busy ATM in my personal life, but I will get around to it before summer is over. It will be available for purchase then.
 
Grunt76 said:
Hm, actually it is written already, the only thing left to do is reference it, which I have never done for my board posts. I am extremely busy ATM in my personal life, but I will get around to it before summer is over. It will be available for purchase then.
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PUBLISH IT!!! :D
 
Grunt76 said:
Hm, actually it is written already, the only thing left to do is reference it, which I have never done for my board posts. I am extremely busy ATM in my personal life, but I will get around to it before summer is over. It will be available for purchase then.
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Actually a "book on tape" version would be very dramatic if narrated by James Earl Jones. :D
 
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