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The Androsterone Thread

No, they would stack perfectly well. That would probably make a pretty good stack, but as you know I am not a huge fan of 1,4 Andro. Never saw much from it in gains from users.
 
LegalGear said:
I would say 150-300mg per day of each of them should give good results. Of course hard core users are going to want to double up, like anything else. Still, for a complete cycle $80 for two bottles of LGP-1-T double dosed isn't bad compared to even the old prices for topicals. That would be 300mg per day of 1-Androsterone and should be enough for anyone based on my experience with 1-AD topical. I just filtered 3/4 of a bottle of 1-AD in alcohol to be honest which would have been about 4.5g or so.
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sounds great, thanks for all the responses and info.... gotta see if I can pinch out some extra pennies now and get an order in. By chance do you know what you guys charge for shipping to southern california?
 
LegalGear said:
The topicals are ready to begin shipping, we don't have the credit card processing on the web site yet, but if you want to call and place an order, then the number to our office is:

877-861-6502

60 servings per bottle:

LGP-1T - 75mg 1-Androsterone per serving - $39.99

LGP-19NOR - 65mg 19Nor-4-Androsterone per serving $44.95

LGP-5aA - 100mg EpiAndrosterone per serving $34.99

LGP-ECY - 85mg Ecdysterone per serving $34.99

You can call tomorrow to order!
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which of these are the mest for mass? which would stack best with your MMv2 im ready to plop down some loot
 
my guess would be the 1-androsterone since its a prohormone to 1-AD-->1-test and thats def a potent mass builder. Just gotta find the right dose.
 
Hey OLB 19nor would probly be you best for mass, throw some MMV2 in there and you should have some awesome strength gains with some nice mass gains as well. Like poopy said 1-andro would be good as well but i beleive 19nor will be a tad more wet so it would yield better mass gains.
 
2 Bottles of the 1-ad topical will most likely do the best and be the most popular. I didnt realize that each bottle only contained 60 servings of 75mg of 1-ad. That means the normal cycle for two bottles would retail around $90 (incl. shipping) for a measly 300mg for 30 days. This is low for the oral 1-ad back in the day which was strong, however this is the newer 1-ad (less potent) but it is transdermal which means better absorption by the body. IDK how much 300mg eqautes to in terms of an oral dose. Also, $90 just for the actual cycle doesnt include the PCT cost like cycle support and AI's or SERM. damnnnn


then again, if this stuff works, everyone will be buying it cuase price wont matter.
 
LegalGear said:
They are about the same as our old formulas, so I expect similar results and as far as dosing you should get a pretty good dose since they are dosed daily. In comparison Androgel topical testosterone is dosed in 50mg, 75mg and 100mg doses. So, the doses of 120-200mg per day of the dermals should show good activity. People may want to throw in an extra dose to 3 per day to get to the 180-300mg range. I could up the amounts, but then the prices would have to go up, unfortunately the raws are really expensive.

I ran 1-Androstenediol as a dermal and I loved it, so I assume these will have a great effect.
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While I admit that I haven't read through this entire thread, I'm curious (with the abundance of 17-beta HSD in the gut) as to why you think that transdermal delivery of these compounds would be superior to oral?
 
LegalGear said:
They are basically the same compound, but there are differences between the two for sure, but overall they are almost the same. The differences are subtle, but they both convert into Stanolone and both have androgenic properties, just more 3bHSD in the body free form and more 3aHSD in the muscle. Also the 3bHSD and 3aHSD are not the same enzyme so where the molecules are almost the same, the enzymes that work on them are not.

You can certainly pulse MMV2 in the way you mentioned. It would work well for that and as a stack certainly could be used that way.
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When looking at your liquid masterdrol product, I noticed the addition of yohimbine HCL. Don't you feel as though adding a strong sympathomimetic amine such as yohimbine will mask the CNS stimulant effect of DHT?

Basically, what I'm saying is that its no wonder users "feel" this stuff working...especially those who have never experienced other DHT precursors (such as M5AA or MDHT).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock your product...I just think that some of the user reviews will be skewed because of this.
 
quigs said:
When looking at your liquid masterdrol product, I noticed the addition of yohimbine HCL. Don't you feel as though adding a strong sympathomimetic amine such as yohimbine will mask the CNS stimulant effect of DHT?

Basically, what I'm saying is that its no wonder users "feel" this stuff working...especially those who have never experienced other DHT precursors (such as M5AA or MDHT).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock your product...I just think that some of the user reviews will be skewed because of this.
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MMV2 gave me aggression. Yohimbine never gave me anything like that. I have tried various brands of Yohimbine and I can assure you that the overall feeling of MMV2 is quite different.
 
hey LG can u give me some more info on this

LGP-19NOR - 65mg 19Nor-4-Androsterone per serving

are these pills or transdermal. i wanna stack this with you mmv2
 
I'm going to be running a low-dose methyl-e(havoc clone) cycle and I was wondering which one of these PH's you would recommend in a stack with the methyl e? BTW my goals are to add some lean mass and cut a little bit of fat
 
These are all topical. Due to some circumstances we are going to suspend the topical project. We made a small run and anyone that wants to call in can get them while they are available but they will not be going on the web site. Sucks, I know...
 
LegalGear said:
These are all topical. Due to some circumstances we are going to suspend the topical project. We made a small run and anyone that wants to call in can get them while they are available but they will not be going on the web site. Sucks, I know...
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Ahhhh nooooo!

WHy!!!
 
LegalGear said:
These are all topical. Due to some circumstances we are going to suspend the topical project. We made a small run and anyone that wants to call in can get them while they are available but they will not be going on the web site. Sucks, I know...
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What about the sublingual PCT product? Is that coming out at all?
 
werd ill be calling soon. it sucks im 13 hours ahead ill have to wait til like 1am lol
 
So I just have to say thank you. Becuase of you guys, my eyes have been opened to the amazing potential dhea and its metabolites have.LG I have always had a bad opinion of you, not so much from bad experience, mostly from all of the negative things said about your products on the message boards. I have had many friends use m1d with great results and I never understood how dhea could be so potent. I cant even believe that people didnt figure this stuff out before you guys!!! I mean, I have read prolly 40 hours over the last week all about dhea and there metabolites and all prolly a billion studies on how amazing dhea is. The science is there, as well as the physical evidence. It honestly absolutely amazes me that nobody noticed the 17b enzyme in the gut!!!! Good work, I havent experimented quite yet with any dhea or dhea metabolites, but I will!!! Low supression, leaning effects, slight muscle gain, and strength gains. At this point in the game, that is exactly what I am looking for. I feel like a light has been flipped on in my head, the wheels been just a rollin' for me. I do have one question though. I have read multiple studies that include data about bioavailability. Some cite better orally, some state better TD. I am just really confused which route to go. I was thinking of doing a combo, in order to maximize my bodies enzymes. LIke mmv2 orally, and dhea TD. Or possibly mmv2 TD and M1D orally. Its kind of up in the air right now. I mean you only have so many enzymes, so you might as weel split up the dose and maximize both routes. Ok just one more word of praise about these compounds. From my research, it seems that they should be able to be cycled for 6-8 weeks with only 4-6 weeks off in between. DHEA is just kind of funny, it seems to lower LH for 4-8 weeks, but even 4-6 weeks after administration has stopped Sex hormones are still ellevated. JUst wierd to me. As well, for anyone that is nay sayer of plain jane dhea, go read about the neurosteroid properties of dhea. Couple neural stimulation and the anti-cat propertied alone and you have a wicked product. Thats not even taking into account any conversion to test!!! Anyway, I am done. If you cant tell, I am just really excited about these type of products.
 
We were WAY ahead of the game. Just an FYI we have not charged any credit cards nor will we ship any topicals until we have this FDA stuff cleared up. Sorry...don't blame me, blame the FDA.

When I stumbled upon the 17bHSD article in pubmed showing testosterone doesn't even make it to the liver, I was astounded! That opened my eyes. Androsterone was our first major entre into the market of Androsterones. By the way, we have a patent pending on all the major unknown metabolites like 1-Androsterone, 19NorAndrosterone, 4-Androsterone etc... Regular androsterone and epi-androsterone are known quantities and therefor not part of our patent, so AX is smart to sell them.

Combine DHEA and metabolites with our delivery system and you have a winner!
 
3clipseGT said:
Real "Prohormones " are not steroids or hormones before they enter the body. Once they enter the body and come in contact with the bodys enzymes 17bHSD ect ect, then it turns them into a prohormone that then converts to a hormone in the body, prosteroids or designers are ALREADY hormones before you even put them in your body and your body doesnt need to do anything to make them active.

Im pretty sure im correct on that. :lol:
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If PH's are two steps away, then what's 1 step away? I thought that DS filled that category. You are implying that there is no difference between DS and AAS.
 
Al Shades said:
If PH's are two steps away, then what's 1 step away? I thought that DS filled that category. You are implying that there is no difference between DS and AAS.
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Phs need conversion to become a hormone the body can use. DS are already hormones, like superdrol, M1T, 1test, those are all DS and actualy AAS.

So essentialy Phs like androsterone, 1-ad, 19nor are all PHs not DS.
 
Al Shades said:
If PH's are two steps away, then what's 1 step away? I thought that DS filled that category. You are implying that there is no difference between DS and AAS.
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There isn't.

It's just stupid for companies to call their products steroids for legal reasons.
 
LegalGear said:
We were WAY ahead of the game. Just an FYI we have not charged any credit cards nor will we ship any topicals until we have this FDA stuff cleared up. Sorry...don't blame me, blame the FDA.

When I stumbled upon the 17bHSD article in pubmed showing testosterone doesn't even make it to the liver, I was astounded! That opened my eyes. Androsterone was our first major entre into the market of Androsterones. By the way, we have a patent pending on all the major unknown metabolites like 1-Androsterone, 19NorAndrosterone, 4-Androsterone etc... Regular androsterone and epi-androsterone are known quantities and therefor not part of our patent, so AX is smart to sell them.

Combine DHEA and metabolites with our delivery system and you have a winner!
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I thought 1-Androsterone is already sold by AMS? as well as 4-Androsterone and 19nor-Androsterone.... just in fairly underdosed oral amounts... will this effect your patent whatsoever? have they not been wise enough to file for them themselves?
 
poopypants said:
I thought 1-Androsterone is already sold by AMS? as well as 4-Androsterone and 19nor-Androsterone.... just in fairly underdosed oral amounts... will this effect your patent whatsoever? have they not been wise enough to file for them themselves?
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I thought they sourced them to ams?
 
if thats the case then it makes sense... specially that he had some laying around to turn into trans... the exact same compounds too, lol. Suprised I didnt just put two and two together.

Thanks guys :trout:
 
This is correct. We did source them to AMS which is why we had most of the raws in house.
 
So the "weakness" with the AMS products is simply bio-availability, and this will be addressed with your transdermal (and maybe sublingual) delivery?
 
Has the FDA revised their position on transdermal delivery based supplements especially ph products?

I may have missed the sublingual approach, does it involve use of cyclodextrins?
 
Androsterones are orally available, but should work as a dermal too. As for the FDA and topical hormones...who knows. Topical progesterone has been available for 30 years and sold openly to "balance" hormones whatever that means...
 
LegalGear said:
Androsterones are orally available, but should work as a dermal too. As for the FDA and topical hormones...who knows. Topical progesterone has been available for 30 years and sold openly to "balance" hormones whatever that means...
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I never understood this:
Female hormones - good to go
Male hormones - the devil

They even put estrogen in food and cosmetics (Paraben)
 
Hyde12 said:
I never understood this:
Female hormones - good to go
Male hormones - the devil

They even put estrogen in food and cosmetics (Paraben)
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They're just afraid testosterone will make us all big and strong, and we'll overthrow their silly little empire.
Now if we can just find a supp that makes us bullet-proof...
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
It's where they derive 1,3-dimethylamylamine..
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I hear good things about dim. hmm...
OK OK, I'll try it. One of my homies has a gun. But how much geraniums do you guys think I should eat before I let him shoot me? :think:
 
at least 3 ;)

I have both some of the nutracaps geranamine, and also Adrenaline from Genera, and I think the glucuronlactone adds a world of difference with the geranamine. I need to pick some up bulk.
 
EasyEJL said:
at least 3 ;)

I have both some of the nutracaps geranamine, and also Adrenaline from Genera, and I think the glucuronlactone adds a world of difference with the geranamine. I need to pick some up bulk.
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I'm guessing that geranamine isn't excatly high BP friendly?? Sounds awesome, but I'm not too keen on a stroke..
 
I want to use it in SPEED V2 but now I am spooked since the FDA could come and say "this is new"... Don't bore me with the fact that is has been openly sold for two years now. You are a drug dealer!
 
LegalGear said:
I want to use it in SPEED V2 but now I am spooked since the FDA could come and say "this is new"... Don't bore me with the fact that is has been openly sold for two years now. You are a drug dealer!
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I knew it! I think I saw LG down at the playground yesterday, handing out free samples of MMV2 to the kiddies. Yesterday's freebies = tomorrow's customers, huh?
 
EasyEJL said:
at least 3 ;)

I have both some of the nutracaps geranamine, and also Adrenaline from Genera, and I think the glucuronlactone adds a world of difference with the geranamine. I need to pick some up bulk.
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BTW, as far as my brilliant "Eat Some Geraniums and Let Your Bro Shoot You" experiment is concerned, here's my thoughts on dosing:
EasyEJL suggests eating 3 geraniums pre-shootout. Yet I know that Easy is the all-time Master of Mega-Dosing. :trout:
Hence, I shall save a little $$$ (how much do geraniums cost?) and eat just 2. :food:
I'll probably be fine...
:head:
 
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