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Thudd
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I'll agree with Rugger1's initial post to some degree - you've been lifting for, what, 2-3 months? And you're complaining that you're not seeing huge results AND you're on a JW stack? What you need to do is take a step back and have a quick reality check. Note: this isn't a criticism of you personally because I don't know you from Adam, but I've seen so many young guys (how old are you? I can't recall if you posted it) doing exactly the same thing as you are, and yes, I was one of them too.
First, your expectations. You've only just started lifting, right? So you simply can't expect to see massive gains, you just don't have the base yet to build them on. And you're not a big guy to start with, with the advantage of wide shoulders and broad chest to help you on your way. Most experienced lifters would be extremely happy to put on a consistent 5kg of lean mass a year; it sounds like you're expecting to get that in your first month. So step one is: be realistic. Sometimes gain will come fast, sometimes they'll come slow, sometimes not at all, the main thing is to keep training and ticking the boxes and they will come.
Secondly, don't be a martyr to your diet. Oats, wholemeal pasta, eggs, wtf? You're not trying to peak for the olympia, you're a young guy trying to pack on beef. You don't need to eat like someone that Pritikin rejected for being harsh, as if eating budgie food all days makes you harDkoR. At your age, not only does your body not really care where you calories come from but you're denying yourself terribly! Food is one of the great pleasures of life and you're eating that rubbish? It's all well and good for people to say "good on him for having the commitment" but what you need to ask is is it necessary? If you can achieve the same results but with a diet that is actually pleasurable then why not give it a go? A simple example: instead of chicken breast, pasta & tin of tomatoes, why not brown the chicken in some olive oil; add it to a jar of passata with some chilli, peas and olives; toss in the pasta and serve topped with rocket and parmesean: still healthy, still getting your nutrients (and more of them, too) and it's actually edible.
Thirdly, eat MORE!! Basic rule of bodybuilding, if you're not putting on mass eat more, if you start putting on fat that you don't want then eat less. You have to get some meat on your bones and you're not going to do that with slices of bread and 2 or 3 protein shakes a day. Pile the red meat and good clean complex carbs into yourself like you're feasting for the coming winter, eat as many vegetables and you can manage, forget about endless supplements that you absolutely don't need at your stage of training and watch the gains come. Eat more good food: it's simple but it works. (and to give you an example, take me: I consume somewhere between 8000-10,000 calories a day depending on how much ancillary exercise I'm doing at the time and I don't put on fat).
Ultimately I think you're just making things more complicated than they need to be. Forget the supplements, just pour more food down your gob, train hard, sleep well, and you'll see the results. When you boil it down that's all there really is to it.
First, your expectations. You've only just started lifting, right? So you simply can't expect to see massive gains, you just don't have the base yet to build them on. And you're not a big guy to start with, with the advantage of wide shoulders and broad chest to help you on your way. Most experienced lifters would be extremely happy to put on a consistent 5kg of lean mass a year; it sounds like you're expecting to get that in your first month. So step one is: be realistic. Sometimes gain will come fast, sometimes they'll come slow, sometimes not at all, the main thing is to keep training and ticking the boxes and they will come.
Secondly, don't be a martyr to your diet. Oats, wholemeal pasta, eggs, wtf? You're not trying to peak for the olympia, you're a young guy trying to pack on beef. You don't need to eat like someone that Pritikin rejected for being harsh, as if eating budgie food all days makes you harDkoR. At your age, not only does your body not really care where you calories come from but you're denying yourself terribly! Food is one of the great pleasures of life and you're eating that rubbish? It's all well and good for people to say "good on him for having the commitment" but what you need to ask is is it necessary? If you can achieve the same results but with a diet that is actually pleasurable then why not give it a go? A simple example: instead of chicken breast, pasta & tin of tomatoes, why not brown the chicken in some olive oil; add it to a jar of passata with some chilli, peas and olives; toss in the pasta and serve topped with rocket and parmesean: still healthy, still getting your nutrients (and more of them, too) and it's actually edible.
Thirdly, eat MORE!! Basic rule of bodybuilding, if you're not putting on mass eat more, if you start putting on fat that you don't want then eat less. You have to get some meat on your bones and you're not going to do that with slices of bread and 2 or 3 protein shakes a day. Pile the red meat and good clean complex carbs into yourself like you're feasting for the coming winter, eat as many vegetables and you can manage, forget about endless supplements that you absolutely don't need at your stage of training and watch the gains come. Eat more good food: it's simple but it works. (and to give you an example, take me: I consume somewhere between 8000-10,000 calories a day depending on how much ancillary exercise I'm doing at the time and I don't put on fat).
Ultimately I think you're just making things more complicated than they need to be. Forget the supplements, just pour more food down your gob, train hard, sleep well, and you'll see the results. When you boil it down that's all there really is to it.
Australian made
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Your telling him to eat 120gm of protein a day? HE aint trainging to be a marathon runner, he wants to bulk up not get even skinnier. Warren nutrition is more important than everything. Without the proper diet all the trainging in the world won't do jack. You will learn through trial and error but you seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands being a student etc so you dont have issues with eat,train,sleep. Eat what you originally had planned. IF you put on some fat, than trim down your food intake, if not then keep at it. YOU WILL eventually get results. And for god's sake don't listen to reverin!!
warren
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lol guys thanks for all the comments ,
thudd - first off your probly right i will be greedy and impatient for gains, but as said im not a compleate newbie to training i have had to go up and down in weight for boxing and iam quite lucky to have good genes for this, its took me from jan 2 to drop form 187lbs and fat to 155lbs and skinny now to 175lbs and no were near a fat as i was, as for the food i know it dont sound nice but im a good chef and with erbs and spices mwah its pukka food and i do enjoy it lol. im not a big fan of sweet food unless im in a very particular mood but then yes if i want it or crave it i will have it , im 20 and i dont stop myself having the cravings i get is just i dont get them that often.
reverin - that would sound wefully low for protien but might be right , either way i read a good artical by someoe called j.beradi that states a igh protien diet will elavate the metabolic rate up to 3 times more than abs and 5 than fats for up to 3 hour after the meal. so no arm done.
austrailian made - hi mate, like you said im going o eat eat eat , and see where i get. i know people think im impatient and i am but i do anything for my aims and will get there lol i think i have good genes so i beleive i can do well and people tell me i cant all the time lol but i just do it. like you said eat sleep train is all i do really so im ok at the time to just do this.
i was told to take my time and i could never afford to buy a house and sell untill i was at least 25, i did it when i was 18 , i worked 13 hours per day 7 days per week and took ome over 1200 per week bought my house and sold it for a profit of 30k. just tpo show how determine i actually get. i know some of the factors in this i cant controll but eerything else i want spot on, as you mentioned diet is the most important and this is why as thudd put it i eat the budgie food lol thanks alot for keeping on here i know you have said you wouldnt have started jw just yet and i understand your veiw which makes t all the more impressive and me thankfull your keeping an eye on here and on wat im doing, thanks mate warren
thudd - first off your probly right i will be greedy and impatient for gains, but as said im not a compleate newbie to training i have had to go up and down in weight for boxing and iam quite lucky to have good genes for this, its took me from jan 2 to drop form 187lbs and fat to 155lbs and skinny now to 175lbs and no were near a fat as i was, as for the food i know it dont sound nice but im a good chef and with erbs and spices mwah its pukka food and i do enjoy it lol. im not a big fan of sweet food unless im in a very particular mood but then yes if i want it or crave it i will have it , im 20 and i dont stop myself having the cravings i get is just i dont get them that often.
reverin - that would sound wefully low for protien but might be right , either way i read a good artical by someoe called j.beradi that states a igh protien diet will elavate the metabolic rate up to 3 times more than abs and 5 than fats for up to 3 hour after the meal. so no arm done.
austrailian made - hi mate, like you said im going o eat eat eat , and see where i get. i know people think im impatient and i am but i do anything for my aims and will get there lol i think i have good genes so i beleive i can do well and people tell me i cant all the time lol but i just do it. like you said eat sleep train is all i do really so im ok at the time to just do this.
i was told to take my time and i could never afford to buy a house and sell untill i was at least 25, i did it when i was 18 , i worked 13 hours per day 7 days per week and took ome over 1200 per week bought my house and sold it for a profit of 30k. just tpo show how determine i actually get. i know some of the factors in this i cant controll but eerything else i want spot on, as you mentioned diet is the most important and this is why as thudd put it i eat the budgie food lol thanks alot for keeping on here i know you have said you wouldnt have started jw just yet and i understand your veiw which makes t all the more impressive and me thankfull your keeping an eye on here and on wat im doing, thanks mate warren
boxmeman
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Hey warren I'm a competitive runner whom competes in boxing and long distance running/triathlons, oh ,y scenario above was during cross country season (off season for boxing),and cross country does alot of high intensity volume training, just thought I would let you know......
warren
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ok with a little tweeking i have managed to up the carbs to cover and kcals lost and lower protien so my figures end up as such
kcals 4065 prot-289.6 carbs-471 fats-98.7
i decided i really had to after spending the last half hour on the toilet id say lol but it really aint funny.
i still got a mean session out today tho and one of the lads at my gym came over and gave me a bit of help and advice with some of my routine, he is the pt there but was on a day off so was nice of him to bother esp wen off lol
kcals 4065 prot-289.6 carbs-471 fats-98.7
i decided i really had to after spending the last half hour on the toilet id say lol but it really aint funny.
i still got a mean session out today tho and one of the lads at my gym came over and gave me a bit of help and advice with some of my routine, he is the pt there but was on a day off so was nice of him to bother esp wen off lol
warren
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feeling good today, since i have upped the carbs i dont feel anywhere near as lathargic, also had a good cardio session today, i took the 4rpm and 2 drive then went to the gym on an empty stomach did 45mins brisk walk up hill on the treadmill and then did some ab work for once. after the gym i had a shake and oats and my first jw. i was a bit worried about not eating first thing but thought ill still be getting the 4000kcal + so shouldnt effec t me too much.
anyeay ill update later warren
anyeay ill update later warren
Reverin
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Obviously you dont pay attention to science, so go ahead and feed him your gym knowledge since you think you can defeat scientific research
Reverin
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If your going to have a high protein diet then your extra carbs will turn into fat, unless your lifting/cardio for 3-4 hours a day. High protein diets are fine, high carb diets are fine, but when your body isn't balanced you will store a lot. There are a **** ton of articles out there that say "High protein" and a lot that say "High Cards low protein" but the articles that are right are the ones that state "balance" Either way like I said if mentally you think 200+grams of protein is going to get your big then do it, half of it is mental anyway. From a scientific stand point go see a doctor or dietitian and see how much protein your body is maxed at and you will find your answer, I highly doubt SOME AM members (including myself) are as knowledgeable as a doctor or dietitian. All the excess protein will turn into glucose/fat. Glucose is fine but when you don't burn it off then it goes to fat storage, so again unless your going 3-4 hours a day then you store fat. Again I dont know your BMR or EMR so I wont be Mr.Accurate for you, but for people on AM and in real life that say "High Protein to gain muscle" aren't always right. GL with it though :cheers:
warren
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cheers for the input, well i have lowered my prot intake and upped my carbs just the load of protien in me was making me run to the toilet every hour or so lol.
i never like doctors mate, last time he spent the full session explining that i should only eat 5 eggs per week max if i dont want cholestral probs, when there is a stack of scientific proof stating otherwise, i always find it hard to take nutritional advice of my doctor who is around 14st of fat i leave my visits to him for when i want to be told ''you need to rest and take anti biotics and it will be fine''. the plonker that e is , that has been his advise the last 20 times i have been lol.
im happy with what im eating now with high kcals and the ratios come to about
30% prot 50% carbs and 20%fats that me and my quick maths s i dont know how accurate lolbut shouldnt be to far away otherwise i shouldnt be doing a engineering deree lol.
i think tey look ok but as said time and again about bb its all about trial and error so i guess ill soon find out how i react to it when pics next week come but i think my abs are becoming more visable, so far so good.
cheers warren
i never like doctors mate, last time he spent the full session explining that i should only eat 5 eggs per week max if i dont want cholestral probs, when there is a stack of scientific proof stating otherwise, i always find it hard to take nutritional advice of my doctor who is around 14st of fat i leave my visits to him for when i want to be told ''you need to rest and take anti biotics and it will be fine''. the plonker that e is , that has been his advise the last 20 times i have been lol.
im happy with what im eating now with high kcals and the ratios come to about
30% prot 50% carbs and 20%fats that me and my quick maths s i dont know how accurate lolbut shouldnt be to far away otherwise i shouldnt be doing a engineering deree lol.
i think tey look ok but as said time and again about bb its all about trial and error so i guess ill soon find out how i react to it when pics next week come but i think my abs are becoming more visable, so far so good.
cheers warren
Reverin
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Sounds good,
I know what your mean about Doctors, I've been blessed with a well knowledge one that is open to supplementation to some degree. I would advice though looking at a Dietitian and see what exactly your body does/needs...they will also be able to tell you % your body needs, what time of the day, and what types of workouts are best for you! Have fun!
I know what your mean about Doctors, I've been blessed with a well knowledge one that is open to supplementation to some degree. I would advice though looking at a Dietitian and see what exactly your body does/needs...they will also be able to tell you % your body needs, what time of the day, and what types of workouts are best for you! Have fun!
arizonanewbie
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Warren, I think you have a great attitude and I enjoy reading your posts. You're enthusiasm is obvious.
One note from someone who's tried a number of different workouts - I used to do a push/pull split like you do and I switched to devoting one day to chest and back, one to legs, and one to arms and shoulders. I like that split much more and it does more for me. You and I have pretty similar frames and goals, but I'm 3 inches shorter. With good eating and hard training I've gained 12 lbs in the last 3 mo. and feel much better about taking off my shirt.
Keep 'em comin'.
One note from someone who's tried a number of different workouts - I used to do a push/pull split like you do and I switched to devoting one day to chest and back, one to legs, and one to arms and shoulders. I like that split much more and it does more for me. You and I have pretty similar frames and goals, but I'm 3 inches shorter. With good eating and hard training I've gained 12 lbs in the last 3 mo. and feel much better about taking off my shirt.
Keep 'em comin'.
Australian made
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:yawn:
Australian made
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I don't think running to a dietician is going to do you any favours at all. They do not know how your body reacts to what diets. Like you said Warren, trial and error.
warren
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cheers for the msgs guys ,
arizonanewbie - yeah im a strange type of guy lol im always all or nothing , i have just re-done my firt year of uni as i didnt think i understood it aswell as i could have lol, i just dont see the point in doing something without my all so thanks for the comments.
yeah austrailianmade im trying different tings, the main ting is trying to make sure i give them enough time to work before dismissing as i have done in the past after 3 weeks lol.
anyway, today was back and bi day which was a biach lol heavy deads rows pull ups etc etc ouch i was so tired after and my shake was warm o did not taste nice lol.
i have been getting a great pump though, but summer is comming and i still feel like im fat so im working like a maniac.
arizonanewbie - yeah im a strange type of guy lol im always all or nothing , i have just re-done my firt year of uni as i didnt think i understood it aswell as i could have lol, i just dont see the point in doing something without my all so thanks for the comments.
yeah austrailianmade im trying different tings, the main ting is trying to make sure i give them enough time to work before dismissing as i have done in the past after 3 weeks lol.
anyway, today was back and bi day which was a biach lol heavy deads rows pull ups etc etc ouch i was so tired after and my shake was warm o did not taste nice lol.
i have been getting a great pump though, but summer is comming and i still feel like im fat so im working like a maniac.
Australian made
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through in some supersets...feel the burn!!
VolcomX311
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Supersets are when you work back & forth from protagonist and antagonist muscles without rest. Say you do 12 reps of curls then right into 12 reps of tricep extensions. Bi's/Tri's are popular super-sets.
Similar to, but slightly different from Supersets are Drop-Sets. Say you do 50lbs curls for 10 reps, then drop to 30lbs curls for 10 reps, then 20lbs for 10 reps. (Burns like hell, must be 18 or over to perform these)
Lastly, 21's. Which only really works with curls. Take a weight you can curl at a pretty high repetition. Perform 7 reps at the top half of the curl, then 7 reps at the bottom half of the curl, then 7 full repetitions.
Australian made
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Like Volcom just mentioned they are refered to as drop sets which is EXACTLY what i meant to say lol. I rarely do supersets, drop setts however i do almost every workout. Normally to finish up the day and mainly with arms and shoulders. I like to end my session in pain!!
VolcomX311
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Shoulder side lateral drop-sets are the most painful things ever!
warren
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yeah thats what i have been doing with my curls and lateral raises and you guys are right they burn like hell lol this week i have done alot of cardio, tur and thur i have done 45mins incline walk and also tue night and tonight i have got a hour game of 5 a side football. but i weiged in this morning after toilet lol at 177.5 lbs which im more than happy with, ill reasses my aims at 184lbs (13stone) then see how much fat i am carrying if to much i will so a mini cut to lower bf% but in all honesty i cant see my bf% being enough of an issue to stop my buking for a bit more time, as long as my bf% doest exceed 15% ill be happy to continue, and the cardio and rpm/drive are great for my fat levels lol.
im really enjoying this stack i have never tried anything like this before just creatine which im not a fan of. any way i cant wait to post some pics up on sat, the funny thing is on the pics i dont look any bigger , just leaner which is weird as i weigh close to a stone more lol
my famly have been commenting tat i look alot broader on the shoulders and chest so thats good. for now im just trying my best and sticking ith it thanks warren
im really enjoying this stack i have never tried anything like this before just creatine which im not a fan of. any way i cant wait to post some pics up on sat, the funny thing is on the pics i dont look any bigger , just leaner which is weird as i weigh close to a stone more lol
my famly have been commenting tat i look alot broader on the shoulders and chest so thats good. for now im just trying my best and sticking ith it thanks warren
Australian made
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keep it up. Another 6lbs. Easy!! you've got nothing to worry about in the fat department i can assure you. Just keep on bulking!!
warren
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cool, i figure the more muscle mass i get the better i will look, ie if i drop to 170 at 10% fat i will still look skinny but if i bulk and maybee get 184 at 15 maybee less then i will look bigger therefore better in my eyes lol
plus im in newcastle england and its very rarely sunny here so abs are overrated lol all about the shoulders back and chest imo but obv still in proportion.
plus im in newcastle england and its very rarely sunny here so abs are overrated lol all about the shoulders back and chest imo but obv still in proportion.
warren
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austrailianmade, you keeping up with the champions leauge? cant imagine many londoners being happy this morning lol chealski getting beat and gunners draw at home, i love my liverpool but ill admitt it was a obv pen to them lol tey played very well and we were lucky but now we ill finish them lol
Australian made
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Man United all the way!!!
Chelsea suck cos the owner just bought every single player and Arsenal have to be the most unsportsmanlike team on the planet. Did you see their defenders tackle on the wkend? He got a straihgt red but it was a lot more nasty then the accidental tackle on Eduardo yet the london papers didn't even mention it.
As for Liverpool, well unfortunately they just dont have the players to compete with Man U and Chelsea. I had to choose someone when i got here so i went with Man U.
VolcomX311
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As an avid fan of American Football, I will say, what you guys call football, makes a lot more sense then what we call soccer. What we call call football, the foot only touches the ball about 2% of the time, I never understood that.
warren
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haha yeah volcom, i like how we get told how to play tho we made the game up lol so my excuse is england dont have a rubbish country team just everybody else is playing a different game lol ( i know were shite really ). your version of football is more like our rugby lol . i have been looking into joining the uni american football team next year but im also looking at rugby as its less judged on how fast you can run a 40 or jump but more on how good you are at the sport.
in football we have a saying and that is, although the younger players have a yard in pace on the old guys , the old guys have the experience and game mind that they are already in the position needed and dont need the pace as much''
and its true lol anyway i have a footie game in around 3 hours so im getting some steak and taty in now then some more food before game lol
in football we have a saying and that is, although the younger players have a yard in pace on the old guys , the old guys have the experience and game mind that they are already in the position needed and dont need the pace as much''
and its true lol anyway i have a footie game in around 3 hours so im getting some steak and taty in now then some more food before game lol
warren
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well tis morning i weighed in at 176 but i ave a feeling this is a water thing as i did alot of cardio and sweated alot but didnt really drink much.
today i have had a ceat meal of home made curry with chicken so there was a lot of veg the only problem was the sauce but im sure not toomuch harm done lol. ill post the pics either sat or sun.
today i have had a ceat meal of home made curry with chicken so there was a lot of veg the only problem was the sauce but im sure not toomuch harm done lol. ill post the pics either sat or sun.
warren
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well i got weighed today and weighed in at 177.5lbs which i am happy with and im 4 weeks off my target to reac 180lbs so im hopeing to exceed that, anything over 180lbs will be a total bonus. in the aims of the american football i dont know how it will go as latley i have not been able to sprint or run very well due to shin splints ( very sore).
i have been thinking latley that i might bulk untill june 1st and then try drop my bf down a bit, as i am starting to see the fat but want to get my muscle mass up a bit more firstif by june first i can be 13st (184lbs ) at 15/16% bf then i will be happy to stop the bulk and drop bf for a while. im not using the word cut as i still wont have much to cut around lol and im wont be looking to get my bf% down to single digits just something abit more respectable for me, maybe 12/13% and then back on a clean bulk and opefully on the bulk i wont exceed 13/14% which i will be hapy with as i think im around the 16% now but pics tomorow so you lot can judge.
any advise , does that sound ok to do? opinions welcome
warren
i have been thinking latley that i might bulk untill june 1st and then try drop my bf down a bit, as i am starting to see the fat but want to get my muscle mass up a bit more firstif by june first i can be 13st (184lbs ) at 15/16% bf then i will be happy to stop the bulk and drop bf for a while. im not using the word cut as i still wont have much to cut around lol and im wont be looking to get my bf% down to single digits just something abit more respectable for me, maybe 12/13% and then back on a clean bulk and opefully on the bulk i wont exceed 13/14% which i will be hapy with as i think im around the 16% now but pics tomorow so you lot can judge.
any advise , does that sound ok to do? opinions welcome
warren
warren
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cheers mate,
well today i weighed in at 179lbs but then went to the loo and weighed again and was 177.8lbs so iv gained 2.8lbs not bad for a weeks work. this week i aim to hit 179lbs by next sunday if i manage more then ill be ecstatic. i had a cheat day yesterday and it was quite naugty but my girl is going to nyc on mon for a girly week withe her sisters and mam so we went out for the day, i had weetabix for breakie then ham salad sarnie, kfc chicken bucket, lasagne, also a 1/3 of a chocate cake lol but it was worth it lol at least i defo hit my kcals lol.
on that note i am starting to worry about my bf% but that might be due to the fact i havent had pics to compare and im getting paranoid lol or it might be me putting on fat due to the upped carb intake and kcal intake. te pics will be on tomorow as i stayed at my gf house lst nite and didnt want to take pics at a different placein different ligting.
can anyone tell me how long it will take me to drop say 3% bf??
just i figure after this bulking phase using the jw i will be around the 184lbs mark (i ave 90 tabs left at 4 per day so i might weigh more) and around the 15/16% mark now i would like to get to say 12\13% bf then bulk again to limit how much fat i gain so i figured 3% of 184 is arund 5.5lbs and if i safley drop this to limit muscle loss then it would take around 7-8weeks is that around the right time-scale??
on the football note i have spoke to some guys on the team and they have said my 40 (which is around 5.1 now) would have been decent for the team but there is alot of sprint training and my shin splints will be a prob, but one guy suggested ice hockey, they said each year the teach the newbies to skate from scratch in a crash course over summer and get them up to a decent level and work hard for year 1 and poss make the team year 2, they also said a 5.1, 40, run would be fast for a ice hockey player, and something about a guy who is allowed to fight?? this sounds interesting lol esp for someone whos full sports background revolves around gettong hit and hitting people lol.
anyway im off to eat lol
well today i weighed in at 179lbs but then went to the loo and weighed again and was 177.8lbs so iv gained 2.8lbs not bad for a weeks work. this week i aim to hit 179lbs by next sunday if i manage more then ill be ecstatic. i had a cheat day yesterday and it was quite naugty but my girl is going to nyc on mon for a girly week withe her sisters and mam so we went out for the day, i had weetabix for breakie then ham salad sarnie, kfc chicken bucket, lasagne, also a 1/3 of a chocate cake lol but it was worth it lol at least i defo hit my kcals lol.
on that note i am starting to worry about my bf% but that might be due to the fact i havent had pics to compare and im getting paranoid lol or it might be me putting on fat due to the upped carb intake and kcal intake. te pics will be on tomorow as i stayed at my gf house lst nite and didnt want to take pics at a different placein different ligting.
can anyone tell me how long it will take me to drop say 3% bf??
just i figure after this bulking phase using the jw i will be around the 184lbs mark (i ave 90 tabs left at 4 per day so i might weigh more) and around the 15/16% mark now i would like to get to say 12\13% bf then bulk again to limit how much fat i gain so i figured 3% of 184 is arund 5.5lbs and if i safley drop this to limit muscle loss then it would take around 7-8weeks is that around the right time-scale??
on the football note i have spoke to some guys on the team and they have said my 40 (which is around 5.1 now) would have been decent for the team but there is alot of sprint training and my shin splints will be a prob, but one guy suggested ice hockey, they said each year the teach the newbies to skate from scratch in a crash course over summer and get them up to a decent level and work hard for year 1 and poss make the team year 2, they also said a 5.1, 40, run would be fast for a ice hockey player, and something about a guy who is allowed to fight?? this sounds interesting lol esp for someone whos full sports background revolves around gettong hit and hitting people lol.
anyway im off to eat lol
Australian made
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Get your gf to hit up a vitamin shop in NYC and get yourself some cheap sups!! not to mention a shid load of clothes. I cant beleive americans think they live in an expensive country, man besides thailand the USA has to be one of the cheapest countries in the world ive ever been to and i been to a lot!!!!
Did you take measurements before you started this cycle? Has your waist increased at all??If your feeling a little bloated then drop the carbs back a little bit, but keep that protein up!
Man U 2-2. Making a comeback!!
PS. Ice hockey would be an awesome sport to play if you were good at it. NFL = boooooooooooring.
warren
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yeah i took measurments and im just looking for my results now lol but the origionall ones were taken a bit before i started cycle so ill soon see, oh game over, 3 pts clear but with gooners and chealski to play man unt are botteling it hahaha ill pop the results up in a few mins lol
Australian made
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ive tried watching it believe me i have, jut find it to slow thats all.
Agree on the rugby,assume your talking about Union. Its got nothing on rugby league!!
VolcomX311
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I found a clip of one of Warren's futbol games, he's the one doing the dribble trick.
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sizzzle9
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warren
Member
hey sizzle, as i havent took any of the products by them self i cant really tell what is doing what. some pros of them are
-huge pump after training
-looking leaner
-weighing more
-sexual performance increase
no cons really just sometimes lathargic if lacked on carbs.
btw pics will be delayed till further notice as my phone is a pile,
-huge pump after training
-looking leaner
-weighing more
-sexual performance increase
no cons really just sometimes lathargic if lacked on carbs.
btw pics will be delayed till further notice as my phone is a pile,
warren
Member
ok guys, im back. like i said my phone is a bit buggered at the mo so i have deided to wait another 2 weeks till the next pics this way im hopeing i will see a bigger difference as im not seeing anything every week( not that i exect to see difference ew ) good news is my weight is still going up. and i figured i made a gain of 12lbs in 8 weeks and i still have another 8 weeks of training for mass left, im 178bs as of this morning so if in the next 8 weeks i could gain another 10lbs that would make me 188lbs and me a very hapy man lol then i would start my fat loss diet. after the fat loss diet im going to hit the mass crusade again and try break that 200lbs mark by next xmass hopefully at a low bf% too 200lbs at below 15% next xmass id be over the moon and could prob use xmass for a (not too) dirrrrrty bulk. just thought id pop a few thoughts running through my head down on here lol. today was cardio day so i did 30 mins walking and 15 mins on the bike, then ammered my abs.
a quick q tho, are abs the same as all muscles as in they can grow? or is seeing them all down to bf%
not that im on a major quest to see them just wondering if they can grow tho lol
a quick q tho, are abs the same as all muscles as in they can grow? or is seeing them all down to bf%
not that im on a major quest to see them just wondering if they can grow tho lol
warren
Member
cool well some quick stats are
in 36 days i have went from 168lbs to 178lbs. hopeing to get another 3lbs in the next 11 days (when the pics are took) that will leave me at 181lbs im hopeing there will be a visable difference on the pics from day 0 to day 47 but on some of the pics i cant see muc even tho i weigh more? but well see and after te next pics it should leave around two week of the bulk left to get as much lean mass as possable and then diet for fat loss for maybee 4 weeks this should leave me in good aestetic condition for august.
thanks sizzzle btw they are a good supp but the drive leaves a funny taste whe i burp after lol be aware
in 36 days i have went from 168lbs to 178lbs. hopeing to get another 3lbs in the next 11 days (when the pics are took) that will leave me at 181lbs im hopeing there will be a visable difference on the pics from day 0 to day 47 but on some of the pics i cant see muc even tho i weigh more? but well see and after te next pics it should leave around two week of the bulk left to get as much lean mass as possable and then diet for fat loss for maybee 4 weeks this should leave me in good aestetic condition for august.
thanks sizzzle btw they are a good supp but the drive leaves a funny taste whe i burp after lol be aware
warren
Member
woke up this morning at i have a very sore trap, i think it a pulled muscle but i have a bath running to see if that will help before i hit the gym.
this week i have started drinkinng more water as if im honest i havent been drinking any. what i have found th is that my weight fluxuates alot more, so i need to stop being a slave to the scales i keep checking every morning and i ust stop. so im not going to check now untill fri morn.
i have also noticed a better peak on my rear bi pose( just in te mirror) whic im happy with but hopeing my lats have come on a bit too.
will i have to do a week on maintanence before starting to diet? just im worried by going from bulking straight to cut ill lose muscle quickly
this week i have started drinkinng more water as if im honest i havent been drinking any. what i have found th is that my weight fluxuates alot more, so i need to stop being a slave to the scales i keep checking every morning and i ust stop. so im not going to check now untill fri morn.
i have also noticed a better peak on my rear bi pose( just in te mirror) whic im happy with but hopeing my lats have come on a bit too.
will i have to do a week on maintanence before starting to diet? just im worried by going from bulking straight to cut ill lose muscle quickly