jw/rpm/drive log pics

No you don't need to do a maintenance but just be carefull about not cutting calories too drastically. Something like 200 cals below maintenance the first week and then 300 the next and so on. I wouldn't suggest going more then 500 below baseline.
 
ok guys so the weight gain has seemd to slowed right down, which was likley to appen at some stage lol but this week i realy want to pick my self up to the next notch.

whats your opinions on upping the jw to 6 per day wich will leave me with 2 more weeks of it. and then finish the cycle on the rpm and drive?

i played a pretty paced game of 5 a side football last night so i hae taken te day off from cardio today. i really cant decide weather the jw is what is making me gain or if im just gaining from diet and training, yet i suppose it is only a catalyst not a steroid. i tink next stack i will involve something stronger. im defo impressed with the rpm and drive , i usually loose fat quick and put it on even quicker so i was expecting to put on a bit of fat with this bulk but i know it is these that is stoping this great product but like i said undecided about the jw.
 
actually, it has a little bit of steroid in it and that is why I wouldn't recommend taking it at six caps per day. That is unless you get a mild PCT together. Keep upping your cals and get plenty of rest.
 
the steroid in it must be so mild , just as i was looking trough a journal of mine i realised apart from the first week when my weight shot up, i have just been putting on the same weight as i wa before i started the jw.what sort of pct? would the rpm and drive not do that?

cheers for the help warren
 
I'd steer clear of the JW altogether. Keep running it how you are, then when its finished leave it at that. You'l be fine on the RPM and Drive. Does RPM/Drive give you heartburn at all? Im wondering if im the only one.
When your finihsed with these supps i seriously suggest you get yourself some bulk products from myprotein.com or bulkpowders.co. I'd suggest NP cos they are the cheapest but shipping big quanitites from the States will be very expensive unfortunately. You'l keep making some nice gains off these and they should last you a long time. Buying in bulk also lets you play around with dosages.

Creatine, beta alanine (new personal fav) AAKG, Cit malate. You can also get your bulk SCOTTISH oats for bout £2/kg, bulk fishoils etc. Their protein however is more expensive then buying 10lbs of ON whey from ebay. Go figure.
 
hi mate, well i have never tried the bulk powders before as i usually put weigt on fast and loose it fast but i always struggle on wat im putting on and takeing off ie i usually pput alot of fat on and then loose fat and all the muscle when i diet lol thats why i thought id try this stack and it has seemed to work,

i havent noticed any heart burm mate but its usualy person dependant , my mas am cant touch indian food due to it where as i could eat the stuff for fun. that reminds me i have a cheat meal planned for fri, me and the girls dad and brother in law are going for a indian and a playstation night they have left us to galavant new york lol

i will finish tis stack and then carry on researcing for my next product. i kow im new to the adding weight scene but im a long time trainer but a bit like ricky hatton i would get in pr
im condition for a fight then balloon after.

im looking into hdrol and its pct, as im eating way way above what i need to and im still not adding that much mass. like now im in the middle of 200g whoewheat rice 200g chicken and curry sauce ( sauce a bit cheeky but rathe over eat than under eat)

i was speaking to a guy who i went to chool with but he was 3 years younger so 18 now and he has been on a course of sus and dbol and is huge for his age and i was just getting wound up that he has never trained before, all of a sudden joined a gym and within a year is massive. and people say dont use things yet but it works you know . i reall would never se anything that i cant get otc but winds me up lol

i know i need to just concentrate on me and not others but sure you guys hae een there.
 
warren said:
hi mate, well i have never tried the bulk powders before as i usually put weigt on fast and loose it fast but i always struggle on wat im putting on and takeing off ie i usually pput alot of fat on and then loose fat and all the muscle when i diet lol thats why i thought id try this stack and it has seemed to work,

i havent noticed any heart burm mate but its usualy person dependant , my mas am cant touch indian food due to it where as i could eat the stuff for fun. that reminds me i have a cheat meal planned for fri, me and the girls dad and brother in law are going for a indian and a playstation night they have left us to galavant new york lol

i will finish tis stack and then carry on researcing for my next product. i kow im new to the adding weight scene but im a long time trainer but a bit like ricky hatton i would get in pr
im condition for a fight then balloon after.

im looking into hdrol and its pct, as im eating way way above what i need to and im still not adding that much mass. like now im in the middle of 200g whoewheat rice 200g chicken and curry sauce ( sauce a bit cheeky but rathe over eat than under eat)

i was speaking to a guy who i went to chool with but he was 3 years younger so 18 now and he has been on a course of sus and dbol and is huge for his age and i was just getting wound up that he has never trained before, all of a sudden joined a gym and within a year is massive. and people say dont use things yet but it works you know . i reall would never se anything that i cant get otc but winds me up lol

i know i need to just concentrate on me and not others but sure you guys hae een there.
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Don't be alarmed if you see that KID again in a few months and he has shrunk back to how he was. Young steriod uses quite often don't know jack about nutrition and most of all PCT. Absolutely no need for you to go down that road for quite a while. Same with the halodrol..

Bit of a misunderstanding on the bulk powders as well. Im mean bulk quantities not "bulking powders". Saves you a lot of cash. I got some great gains when i was younger running creatine mono and HMB. Seriosuly don't even bother looking into h-drol or any other PH, you really can make great gains naturally. There are so many supps out there now that allow you to make gains without going down the PH route. I'd even suggest diesel test hardcore or something like that for a decent test booster. Don't slacken off your diet, if you eat the right foods the gains will come. Really is that simple. All the supps are just little bonuses. They won't do jack if you're not eating enough.
 
cheers matey, i get ya now with the bulk lol. well i might have a look at the test diesel but im always sceptical of natty test boosters as if they natty then they surly wont boost test up past normal level therefor only useful if got low test levels to start with. what does it do ?
 
warren said:
cheers matey, i get ya now with the bulk lol. well i might have a look at the test diesel but im always sceptical of natty test boosters as if they natty then they surly wont boost test up past normal level therefor only useful if got low test levels to start with. what does it do ?
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Best thing to do is look at the logs in the Get Diesel forum of this site. Or try the NHA stack. I still think you should go with various bulk powders. I know they dont come in fancy bottles with outrageous marketing claims but there are plenty of good ones out there.
 
hi mate i have had a look over some logs and dont know if id put money into it, i have spent dosh on he jw whic is meant to be strong ish and still dont know if it is responsible for the gains, i would feel that i was going the opproute supp wise. and using something even milder.

i have use creatine mono and CEE before and didnt respond at all to them, i know some people just dont i must be one lol.

i can always see how im gaining next time and then reasses if i should use anything .
 
what do you mean by legit serm? ie not available otc? lol if so i couldnt do it really as i cant acces that stuff anyway, and id have to keep it secret from my gir lol im whipped like that.
 
warren said:
what do you mean by legit serm? ie not available otc? lol if so i couldnt do it really as i cant acces that stuff anyway, and id have to keep it secret from my gir lol im whipped like that.
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Legit SERM like Nolvadex, which can only be obtained through prescriptions. I WISH IT WERE OVER THE COUNTER!! It's pretty tightly controlled in the US, don't know how it would be overseas though :ntome:
 
yeah thought tats what you meant, i dont think i could get anything like that, any products other than hdro mdrol that might give me good results without needing a non otc pct. im mainly looking for the oct/sept time.
 
warren said:
yeah thought tats what you meant, i dont think i could get anything like that, any products other than hdro mdrol that might give me good results without needing a non otc pct. im mainly looking for the oct/sept time.
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Orange Juice, minus the Orange :lol:

Nothing off the top of my head, but keep reading around, I'm sure you'll find some combination you like by that time.
 
well i have had a good few hours browing around the forum and i think i ave found a couple things that sound,hhm interesting ? lol

1 stack could be

hyperdrolx2 + massfx ( poss with x factor)

im going to do a bit more research on all these products now. like i have said before im looking to do a mini cut after the next 7 weeks and 3 days lol. maybee a 8 week cut maybee just 4 week then onto another bulk so i could se this in maybee july.
 
That stack would be very expensive but will not let you down. Bulk X-factor at NP 69.99 for 60 days. Mass fx ,HDX2, retain for 109.00 at NP. Prices are in USD. I'm running Mass FX and HDX2 right now and am seeing nice muscle hardening and strength increases while slightly lower then caloric maintenance aswell as noticeble increase in confidence and sex drive. I've never used X-factor but it's definately on the to do list. I also don't think you can go wrong with BA/BCAA stacked with some good eating. Furthermore, judging from your gains I would say JW played a role.
 
warren said:
well i have had a good few hours browing around the forum and i think i ave found a couple things that sound,hhm interesting ? lol

1 stack could be

hyperdrolx2 + massfx ( poss with x factor)

im going to do a bit more research on all these products now. like i have said before im looking to do a mini cut after the next 7 weeks and 3 days lol. maybee a 8 week cut maybee just 4 week then onto another bulk so i could se this in maybee july.
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Dude seriosuly if you want to through your money away at least give it to me! These supps are a big waste of your money. You are still a beginner in regards to the weight training. Even with average trainging and a decent diet your still going to make gains. Like i keep saying, just get some basic supps like Creatine, BA, BCAA's etc and leave it at that. IF you ran HDX2 and Mass FX (not bashing these at all) they'l last you a month then you'l be looking around for something else. Your beginning to depend on supps which aint good cos they are certainly NOT the most important aspect of gaining muscle.
 
you think the jw did? interesting, you see i have never knew what is good gains or bad gains for a month figure lbs per week, 4 per month is average? but not sure as i sum how find it easy to loose weight and gain weight fast but as iv said before i usually do it wrong way round and loose 50 50 fat and muscle. yeah i would have to find a uk supplier and will have time to save as i think i will take austrailianmades advice and see how god eating and rest goes for a while rather than spendng cash, but im still researching and would maybee do one in july augst. im just so impatient lol. my mate is 6'2 and weighs 187lbs so only like 9lbs more but has a much larger height to fill and he looks so much bigger than me, i cant explain lol all i can think of is that he caries it all on top as he has chicken legs lol
 
keep in mind you've also leaned out with your gains: JW is known for that. Aussie makes strong points about supplement dependence. I definately am dependent. There is no way in hell I could go to the gym without my R4W now.
 
The more I think about it aussie is right. You'll still make nice gains with food and protein and your a student and most likely in great debt. You don't have the money for expensive supplements. Take it from me, you want to come out of school with as little debt as possible. I'd say the good bulk of am users are students and I don't understand where they get the money for supps. Spend it on food!:food:
 
hi mate, no im not in debt, im lucky enough to be blessed with a very fortunate upbringing which iam very greatfull for. and i got alot of help when i was younger and my dad managed to elp me get into a job where i was making alot of mney , so i bought a house when i was 18 and im just busy buying a couple more with him using my student loans as investments. so i have saveings left over from my old job, but i figured uni could help e advance quicker. but either way i think your right with aus i need to see how the food and training without supps goes. well i will get my girl to take pics next wek and pop them next to the begining pics to see how much difference there is. i know when i first started trying to gain weight i wa 165lbs and im now 178lbs last i cecked and hopefully ill be 179lbs by next week so that will be 1st in weight, and i have leaned out so im hopeing the is a VISIBLE difference but i dont know how muc weight you can actually see

ie, would you tell the difference betwee a 165lbs man to a 178lbs man?? or would it just be a subtle diff
 
cool, lets hope these pics show some real differenc e in a pos way. i have also been speaking to a pro bb and e was saying as long as im not to fat then he would just keep on bulking but maybee take 2 weeks in between to use the carb cyclig diet to drop the bf down a little
 
warren said:
cool, lets hope these pics show some real differenc e in a pos way. i have also been speaking to a pro bb and e was saying as long as im not to fat then he would just keep on bulking but maybee take 2 weeks in between to use the carb cyclig diet to drop the bf down a little
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Definitely! Not sure you wanted to cut in the first place. You can keep clean bulking for a while longer before you should worry about cutting, just make sure you keep a couple of cardio sessions in there every now n then.
You'l be 200lbs by NYE brother!!
 
cheers aus, are you watching the scum play gooners lol

come on arsenal!!!

well, im hopeing my bf stays low i dont see why it sholdnt as i play football maybee once a weekand do two cardio sessions per week.
 
warren said:
cheers aus, are you watching the scum play gooners lol

come on arsenal!!!

well, im hopeing my bf stays low i dont see why it sholdnt as i play football maybee once a weekand do two cardio sessions per week.
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Warren my friend, you startled me. When you use bf, don't forget the % sign, because here in the states, the first thing that comes to mind when we see bf, is best friend or boyfriend, it wasn't until I read the rest of your sentence that clarified the context of the bf for me.

I was like, I know he has a girl, let me keep reading so I can figure this out.
 
lol hahahaha yeah defo meant body fat lol, dont think my girl has any dark hidden secrets in her past anyway lol
 
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Warren my friend, you startled me. When you use bf, don't forget the % sign, because here in the states, the first thing that comes to mind when we see bf, is best friend or boyfriend, it wasn't until I read the rest of your sentence that clarified the context of the bf for me.

I was like, I know he has a girl, let me keep reading so I can figure this out.
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i thought the exact same thing, "im hoping my boyfriend stays low" yuk. Well i guess they do things differently in Newcastle.

2-1 Warren, oh yeah!! enjoy the european cup next year!!
 
mate we will enjoy the cl THIS year and next, 5 times we have won it, and a fact i love to point out and the mancs hate , we are the most succsessfull british club ever EVER.

id love to say see you in moscow but barca may have a little part in that hahaha lol
 
hey people, well i havent had the best day food wise,

today i ave had

shakeb with oat
some jelly sweets
2 egg mayo sarnies
wolemeal pasta + chicken
whole meal pasta+chicken

im dissapointed with the jellies and mayo, as i had my cheat day on fri. i also didnt go to the gym today as my gf came back from new york. so i will have a chest and tri day tomorow instead of today and then back and bi on wed to get back on track. im going to try and get my gf to take the picss tomorow morning for me so that i can get them up asap to compare, it is what keeps me ging , seeing the difference. plus i will then see if i want to do a mini fat loss diet.
 
ok guys heres a update, also if any on would like a guess on the bodyfat% it would be a help chhers warren

start - 165lbs now - 179lbs (green boxers old , black shorts new)

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any comments welcom, let me know wat you think i need to work on or what has improoved , thanks warren
 
Hard to tell man but i think you got a little bigger up top. Think longer term like 6 months rather then photos every month or so cos its hard to tell the difference. If your trainging is right and you keep the calories up your only gonig to get bigger.
 
cheers for the input mate, yeah i know its better to give it time but i like to take pics to see im not fat lol it keeps me motavated lol.

what you reckon bf% is , i figure abs arnt visable but outline is there. (cant see from pics but slight staritions in arm n shoullders so maybee 15-16%??? close?
 
Your back seems to be your most consistently responsive body part. Your rhomboids perk out more. I'd imagine if you knew how to do a flaring lat spread, we'd see some difference in lat growth (I'm assuming because again, your back seems to be the most responsive).

In your first picture, your rhomboids blend into your lats in an flat, straight line, but in your post pic, your can see pronounced, rounding out rhomboids, and then your lats. There's more muscle contour alone the outlines of your back, not just a flat, straight line.
 
Off topic question Warren, that tatt that wraps around into the inside of your bicep....painful experience? Getting one on my bi in a few weeks. I may or may not be scared......
 
I can see definate improvement in your upper especially your lats and lower traps. I think your on the money with your BF guess.
 
thanks for the input guys, i have took this week a bit lighter on the workouts as a bit of a rest so i can really hammer it starting monday, as i was starting to feel a bit fatigued.

i think the back progress is down to heavy deadlifts and one arm bent over db rows. i really want my traps to get b igger and my soulders, i figure this will make my top half look more shaped.

about the tattoo mate, the only spot that hurt to the point o wouldnt do it again is under my arm near my arm pit and middle of my chest.

i think i will post the next pics up in around another moth to 6 weeks by this time i will be fin al my cycle (i think)
 
yeah the inside of the bi does have a bit of a sting lol, but it was only the chest and armpit that hurt beyond belife lol id get anoter one there and im a big woossy really lol hahaha
 
i have spoke to a few people on a uk site and they reckon although i have improoved, because im a newer trainer then i should see a bit more of a improvement than i have , wic are fair comments and im trying to take on board and improove. here is my diet can anyone help abit with it maybee show me where i could add to it.

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also my routine is here

all weights are 1 warm up set of 10 , then sets of 12,10,8.

mon - chest and tri day

flat db bench ( alternate with bb bench )
incling db bench( " " )
decline db bench
weighted dips
rope flys
tri push downs

tue - either 45 min walk 5% grad 6kph or 5-a-side footy

wed - back and bi day

deadlifts
bent over db rows
bent over bb rows
pull ups(close grip, i use the v bar hooked over a pull up station)
seated rows
ez seated curls
seated db curls

thurs - opp of what i do tue

fri - legs and shoulders

squats
legpress
leg curl
calf raises
ham curls
bb shoulder press
lateral raises
 
hey people , smal update. well this week i havent felt the best i have had a very low week as i have had stmach upset all week, and the begining of the week was kncked a bit out of routine with my gf returning and now all the uni students have returned and my gym is now full of posers weighing 100lbs doing 1000 curls each arm, so as you can imagine im not in the best mood this week, i couldnt do squats today as there was two guys rotating using the squat rack for urls as it was the only mirror space available. TWATS!!


also my mam and dad are at each others troats at the moment so im getting very little sleep with them arguing.

well good thing is i havent dropped any weight and im trying to sort my routine and diet out but havent had much reply on here or the uk site which i think means it cant be too bad. i am however going to upp the kcals to 4500 and really fcking beast the gym as of mon. i have decided however that as of june 1st i am going to have a mini cut defo as i dont feel confidednt with my top off atm, so hopefully can lower my bf% down to maybee 13/14% in 2-3 weeks then back on a clean bulk.

any advise will be much appreiciated

thanks warren
 
Your doin fine mate, you can always drop back on some of those carbs if you think your putting on a bit of extra fat............and eat some vegetables!!
 
Since you're a naturally leaner guy, I wouldn't even worry about a quasi-dirty bulk, because all you'd have to do is simply cut down the calories and probably not even have to take into account specific intake of macronutriets and you'll lean out.

I however, have to do double cardio sessions + lifting to lose about 1-2lbs a week, but the up side is I can bulk on oxygen.
 
ha ha I'm the same as you Volcom. I put on weight if I even look at a burger. Warren you have definately come a long way in terms of diet since the beginning of this log and your on the right track. Just give yourself some time and keep on plugging dude.
 
man, sorry for the time taken to reply, i havr had the worst and best week of my life i feel emotionally drained lol.

my mam n dad have been having some serious issues and at each other all week ny neice as been ill and the house i own mortage went up. then it turned arund my neice is getting better ( although on meds for life;( . ) my mam n dad made up and i managed to buy two more house for well under value snd get tennants in for next month. i weiged myself after 1 day of not eating correctly and i had lost weight down to 175lbs, i tryed to not let it get to me as i have had a lot on . i have decided tho life is short and i need to make the most of the tallents i have and want to get back to mma, i have never fought over 165lbs befre and even then was a very skinny 165 as im tall for that weight, so i have decided my next step is to see how i feel at 170lbs but at 10%bf then if i decide i still feel weak or under weight or that im confident enoug to go up another class then i will but slowly and very very leanly, as i wont want to go past 12% next bulk.

so when do you guys think i should start to cut if i want to hit 10%bf at over 170 ???? *(i say over as its very rare i walk around at my figt weight i usually stay 3-5 lbs heavier as that is the margin i loose in the run up to the fight when training and fitness training increases)* sorry to disapoint if anyone thought i might grow to be a monster in ti,e lol hahahaha but yet again i might be confident enough to move up more,

my predicament is to heavy then i get slower hands and the guys get bigger ( ie reach, height) which then means i have to fight a inside game wich aint me, im a puncher. not heavy enoug then i will be feeling weak and sluggish.
 
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