Rodja
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Bingo, timing and dose are not stressed enough with ecdy. It has to be taken with >40g of protein and dosed somewhere in the 600-1000mg range.
Is ecdysterone garbage ?
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Bingo, timing and dose are not stressed enough with ecdy. It has to be taken with >40g of protein and dosed somewhere in the 600-1000mg range.
Wanderlei
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Well, there was a study comparing it to d-bol and hence some companies touted it as a "mass builder". Of course it hasn't lived up to this and thus most people will consider it garbage as a result.
LatSpread
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no they didnt, 11alpha is turk
they posted a study that their turk is as good for protein synthesis as dianabol
(i tested Mass FX bw)
20R-dihydroxyecdysone is turksterone
and just one more thing to remember is Ron from Thermolife claims the TURKSTERONE in Mass FX could not be proven to be turk or not when tested at an independent lab
Rodja
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My bad. I missed the 11 alpha part and only saw the 20R part.:blink:
king1033
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really! interesting ive been taking mass fx and have been getting good results
Rodja
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You call nettle and forslean useless??
LatSpread
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If you know Rons antics you know hes full of BS, AnabolicX only uses great sourcing.
And to the dude claiming MassFX is worthless, the gains for me are almost on par with X factor just without side effects like a skewed lipid profile, aching joints, lethargy and increase in blood pressure.
ReaperX
Well-known member
almost on par ? Meaning that they weren't quite as good as X-Factor huh ?
There's nothing wrong with the lipid profile. I was taking 6 gels a day and my cholesterol and trigylcerides came back perfectly healthy. In fact, my cholesterol came down 20 points from last year. I have bloodwork to show for it. Do you ? Oh yeah free of orals for that matter. There is nothing harmful in X-Factor at all. People just don't understand science.
I did not have any achy joints, lethargy, or increase in blood pressure. I believe I kept a very detailed log when I used the product, so I would know.
My gains have been quite good on X-Factor and I would not pay for MassFX over X-Factor ............ever.
LatSpread
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I've ran 3 cycles and used to rep for Molecular....I would know.
OBVIOUSLY, we had two very different responses to the increase in inflammation as is common with arachadonic acid.
Luckily, being under 35 I think AA usage is pretty safe, but there is tons of evidence showing that after 35, regardless of if your a bodybuilder, AA can do some real damage to your arteries and heart.
After all what causes many heart attacks? the answer is too much dietary arachadonic acid.
Anyway as a former rep for MN I'm positive Ive read more literature on AA, and ran more XF cycles than yourself.
I'd also like to tell you that nobody in their right mind would tell you to 50 day cyle AA more than twice a year, therefore, there is certainly time in the year to give mass fx a shot.
ReaperX
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um, yeah sure. heart attacks are solely caused my ArA. You got me.
If I get MassFX for free, I'll try it, but I'm not paying for it.
LatSpread
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Thats not a debatable thing, thats fact, its why red meat gets a bad wrap with older people. (and no not that AA causes attack, but that excess does. This has been a bone picked with American diet for some decades)
Generally, I agree with your opinions, and I do believe XF is the best non hormonal anabolic ever created, but the sides have been really bad for a few of us who have kept 20 plus logs. (i.e. myself and ZachMills over at bb dot com)
IMO if your using arachadonic acid play it safe and get some ZMA or magnesium supp as the electrolyte imbalances from loosing magnesium can be dangerous for some users.
I'll end my argument at this:
XF is THE BEST for gains, and the only supp, that reduces my midsection while gaining weight, strength and muscle hardness. And for 90% of the users there are little to no side effects.
ReaperX
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Seriously though. If Anabolic Xtreme will offer a money back guarantee, I'll try Mass FX. I'm done with those days of buying stuff because people 'Dude, I got jacked'. testimonies seem all too convincing. If their product is half a good as they claim, they should offer a satisfactory money back guarantee.
50 bucks is 50 bucks.
Chicken, gas, morgage, beer, etc......
50 bucks is 50 bucks.
Chicken, gas, morgage, beer, etc......
DaveGabe24
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LatSpread
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I understand your point, XF is the best value even at 100$ for a cycle since the gains are unreal.
king1033
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i still got a tub of bulk in the closet about 2/4 full of xfactor im debating whether i should just lower dose say around 600mg a day?? i currently take zma so that wouldnt be a prob, i liked x-factor but when all this stuff risen about the sides i put that stuff in the back of the closet where the dust rests. plus i eat like a steak a day ALMOST but not as much as i eat chicken and eggs whites
LatSpread
Active member
Many users dont get the sides, its very user dependent. Regardless, steak has a far amount of AA, egg YOLKS have a ton of AA, and chicken actually has a little AA.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Peanut have some AA in 'em as well.
I sometimes wonder if X-factor results are dependent upon training style. It seems like they would be, as AA needs to be "wrung" out of the muscle cells in order to make it along the AA->prostraglandin's cascade, where the anabolism comes from.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
It is not a hormone in itself. (This is what's implied when a supplement is "hormonal").
scoooter
Well-known member
Did you cap this yourself or did you mix it with anything ?
lbarber
Member
Why doesn't anyone sell a 99% version of this stuff from Rhaponticum carthamoides...
I've been wanting to try this out by itself for a long time, without any other ingredients except for bioperine...
Although, I did find a 99 % version in bulk one time, although I think 100 grams cost 600 dollars.
Also, why doesn't thermolife re-release ecdysten with a more potent version. 15 mgs? 15!?! What is that?
I've been wanting to try this out by itself for a long time, without any other ingredients except for bioperine...
Although, I did find a 99 % version in bulk one time, although I think 100 grams cost 600 dollars.
Also, why doesn't thermolife re-release ecdysten with a more potent version. 15 mgs? 15!?! What is that?
madchemist
Banned
240mg of 99% ecdysterone per day is the recommended serving size for E-Bol along with 60mg/day of another anabolic ecdysterone, Cyasterone. You could obviously ramp up the doses for more ecdysterone as desired.
GuyverX
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An experiment about 2 years ago.i
I got a hardening and leaning effect from the Ecdy product of a company who isnt really well known for its great line of products.
At least not mentioned here.
I thought it was placebo at first, but I cut off everything except my vitamins, protein shakes and the Ecdy and I still slimmed down and got harder.
I took it for about three months.
I got toff because I am always looking for something possibly stronger or better overall and went to another product.
Definitely not a useless compound.
GuyverX
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I think there is a European company that sells exactly that.
Its about 71 euro for 60 caps though.
I was going to buy some and try it out. But it takes like 3 weeks for their
products to get here.
Whacked
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I use it as a non-hormonal bridge for 8-10 weeks as it's clean and generally speaking without side effects. It helps harden me up a bit, provides a very nice vascular look, and perhaps this last reason may not be of any value to you but for me - it provides some sort of mental boost "like Im taking something/still ON" as opposed to feeling like being completely OFF. Make sense?
Do I notice a huge impact. No. Does it serve a purpose for me - absolutely. Being OFF sucks ass so any CLEAN ergogenics that help either psychologically or physically get me thru the OFF times quite well.
Do I notice a huge impact. No. Does it serve a purpose for me - absolutely. Being OFF sucks ass so any CLEAN ergogenics that help either psychologically or physically get me thru the OFF times quite well.