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While the Boss is Away.....Part Deux!

the combo of spot, plus time release plus hopefully better bioavailability. one application should provide it for 8ish hours, so not crush cortisol entirely, but keep it lowered for a length of time. so maybe shooting for 250mg per application, just enough to help, not enough to squash cortisol entirely

Is that Phosphatidylserine measurement of active or raw? Eric from primordial performance recommends 1g/day in PCT, but as active that is expensive as hell.
 
Dr Packenwood said:
Well, what I was doing the last couple times I've ran cycles is break them up evenly through out the day, with the exception of E-Pol which had a methyl mix in it. I couldn't take it past 4pm or I'd be up until 3am pissed off for no reason.

I've seen a few logs where people dose evenly throughout the day, and even Dr. D suggested to me in a PM when I asked him, to dose Epi evenly throughout the day.

Some dose pre and post work out, and I figured I'd dose everything 60 minutes-ish pre work out.

If there is an advantage of one way of dosing over another please present it. I'm more than willing to change things up if its advantageous.

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To me, it seems like dosing strategies and timings are still being experimented with a lot. Everything will work to some degree. I don't think there would be much difference by switching it to even doses.

I think of it as there being certain levels of cycles:

Everyday Even Dosing = Aggressive
- optimal results
- highest shutdown
- most risk of sides

Everyday Pulse Dosing = Modest
- nearly optimal results
- slightly less shutdown
- almost highest risk of sides

3x Week Even Dosing = Modest-Cautious
- less than optimal results
- shutdown is mitigated some
- sides probably significantly reduced

3x Week Pulse Dosing = Cautious
- minimal results
- almost no shutdown
- hardly any risk of serious sides
 
bitterplacebo said:
To me, it seems like dosing strategies and timings are still being experimented with a lot. Everything will work to some degree. I don't think there would be much difference by switching it to even doses.

I think of it as there being certain levels of cycles:

Everyday Even Dosing = Aggressive
- optimal results
- highest shutdown
- most risk of sides

Everyday Pulse Dosing = Modest
- nearly optimal results
- slightly less shutdown
- almost highest risk of sides

3x Week Even Dosing = Modest-Cautious
- less than optimal results
- shutdown is mitigated some
- sides probably significantly reduced

3x Week Pulse Dosing = Cautious
- minimal results
- almost no shutdown
- hardly any risk of serious sides
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I prefer option A :D actually Id still do split dosing and get most it in before 2pm if I could choose so I could still get good day dosing and have most orals clear by nightfall minimizing shutdown but my work wont permit that usually so thats why I just do option A and dose dependant on my work for the day, wich ususally ends with an evening workout/dose.
 
Just wondering who else in our chat group doses nightly with 1-carboxy? I have to say I do and absolutely love it. I feel like Ive not dreamed this vividly since I was a kid and wake up just as well rested wether I slept 6 hours or 9.

What doses do you guys use? I prefer using close to 1200mg and have been playing with dosing only every other night as supposedly this pulsitile method is the closest way that GH surges naturally in kids and teens gowing through growth spurts. Always wake up looking lean and feeling pumped and I am sure that I am probally fighting off catobolism to a great degree.... have been dosing only natty supps since my return in the end of dec and have gone from about 180- 196 and am still climbing, wonder how much of this can be attributed to the restfull sleep and extra GH as well?

anywho just thinkin out loud and wondering if ya'll lov ethis stuff as much as I do?
 
Sadly I was with my boss...who in the best possible light is Dr. DoGood. He does everything by the book, and thats the end of it. So no, I did not get to visit any coffee shops, but I'm almost positive that if I just stood outside the door I would have gotten high. Because every block I walked down I was smelling that **** hard and heavy. Did any of you know that Amsterdam's flag actually has X X X on it? Ironic, no?
 

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Nabisco said:
...Because every block I walked down I was smelling that **** hard and heavy. Did any of you know that Amsterdam's flag actually has X X X on it? Ironic, no?
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Since you are referring to smell, then no it is not ironic but moronic, because XXX represent abstinence

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-TF
 
Dr Packenwood said:
Well, what I was doing the last couple times I've ran cycles is break them up evenly through out the day, with the exception of E-Pol which had a methyl mix in it. I couldn't take it past 4pm or I'd be up until 3am pissed off for no reason.

I've seen a few logs where people dose evenly throughout the day, and even Dr. D suggested to me in a PM when I asked him, to dose Epi evenly throughout the day.

Some dose pre and post work out, and I figured I'd dose everything 60 minutes-ish pre work out.

If there is an advantage of one way of dosing over another please present it. I'm more than willing to change things up if its advantageous.


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BUMP!
 
poopypants said:
i think your dosing is awesome Dr. P.

(When) are you planning on upping the PP dose?
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I'm going to bump it up Monday. 20mg Epi 20 mg Phera. If I get too lethargic I might split that up 10mg and 10mg at 12 hour intervals.

Poopster....what did you dose your Phera at? I've noticed with everything I use, any more than 30mg/day is too much for me.
 
Dr Packenwood said:
I'm going to bump it up Monday. 20mg Epi 20 mg Phera. If I get too lethargic I might split that up 10mg and 10mg at 12 hour intervals.

Poopster....what did you dose your Phera at? I've noticed with everything I use, any more than 30mg/day is too much for me.
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Sounds like a solid plan woodcock.

How cute is your stack?

<3 TF
 
Dr Packenwood said:
I'm going to bump it up Monday. 20mg Epi 20 mg Phera. If I get too lethargic I might split that up 10mg and 10mg at 12 hour intervals.

Poopster....what did you dose your Phera at? I've noticed with everything I use, any more than 30mg/day is too much for me.
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I peaked at 30mg, no need to go any higher, maybe i didnt even need to go that high since I was making gains at 20mg through already week 2, but I thouroghly enjoyed it all together and the lethargy was a very small price to pay for the insane results and feeling it gave.

Do you have anything against stims? I dont think it would take much to conteract the lethargy, and would probably be best used preworkout only. I was using Ax's rampage for preworkout back then.... damn i was a AX whore....

get this I was taking:

AX Phera-Plex
AX Prostan (same time as phera)
AX Rampage (preworkout)
AX Perfect cycle (2 bottles with 1 week preload and throughout)
AX Superdrol (brigded after PP which I attribute to keeping most all the 17lbs gained on phera, only gained another 2 or 3 on superdrol but still got leaner and harder)

LMAO was my most succesful cycle to date though, never made that many gains before or since even with M1T.
 
poopypants said:
I peaked at 30mg, no need to go any higher, maybe i didnt even need to go that high since I was making gains at 20mg through already week 2, but I thouroghly enjoyed it all together and the lethargy was a very small price to pay for the insane results and feeling it gave.

Do you have anything against stims? I dont think it would take much to conteract the lethargy, and would probably be best used preworkout only. I was using Ax's rampage for preworkout back then.... damn i was a AX whore....

get this I was taking:

AX Phera-Plex
AX Prostan (same time as phera)
AX Rampage (preworkout)
AX Perfect cycle (2 bottles with 1 week preload and throughout)
AX Superdrol (brigded after PP which I attribute to keeping most all the 17lbs gained on phera, only gained another 2 or 3 on superdrol but still got leaner and harder)

LMAO was my most succesful cycle to date though, never made that many gains before or since even with M1T.
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I'm fuzzy on the whole concept of bridging. From what I've seen, you sort of overlap 2 compounds a few weeks in, phazing one out and you phaze one in. Correct? Or do you stop one abruptly, and start one immediately?

On the stims, I drink coffee almost all day, but its not strong coffee. Typically the PH's I've taken don't give me the lethargy until I stop, but rather get me 'jazzed' while on cycle. I could see if I can scare up a bottle of something else to abuse lol

Seems like if the real stuff was legal it would be alot less hassle.
 
Dr Packenwood said:
I'm fuzzy on the whole concept of bridging. From what I've seen, you sort of overlap 2 compounds a few weeks in, phazing one out and you phaze one in. Correct? Or do you stop one abruptly, and start one immediately?

On the stims, I drink coffee almost all day, but its not strong coffee. Typically the PH's I've taken don't give me the lethargy until I stop, but rather get me 'jazzed' while on cycle. I could see if I can scare up a bottle of something else to abuse lol

Seems like if the real stuff was legal it would be alot less hassle.
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Thats just not so, all these sides exist with them as well. just each compound effects people differently to a varying degree much like all these nwe designers do. Although if the real stuff were legal at least wed have alot more options and be able to pick and choose what works for us best with the least amount of those sides....

Yes a bridge is performed by over lapping 1 or two weeks in order to allow the second compound to kick in before discontinuing the first, typically works very well if done correctly.
 
poopypants said:
Thats just not so, all these sides exist with them as well. just each compound effects people differently to a varying degree much like all these nwe designers do. Although if the real stuff were legal at least wed have alot more options and be able to pick and choose what works for us best with the least amount of those sides....

Yes a bridge is performed by over lapping 1 or two weeks in order to allow the second compound to kick in before discontinuing the first, typically works very well if done correctly.
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Maybe I'll try my next cycle (cutting I hope) of Propadrol and Epi. Start with Epi 3 weeks, then Propadrol for 3.

Is that a good start? Maybe season with some unmethylated Furaz to taste. lol
 
bitterplacebo said:
I just found out I was kissing all wrong.
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ah those fine open source based sites, heres what I got when I clicked that

Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (11) in /home/doubleviking/doubleviking.com/public_html/incl_db_mysql.phtml on line 11

Error connecting: #code: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (11)
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yeah, and embedded advertisements within videos drive me nuts
for me, most of the time clicking the x to close them leaves the video with a big, blank, white strip
 
So speaking of cute stuff, I saw a site with some sales, I was thinking of getting 2-3 bottles of each: Propadrol and 11-OXO.

What is a cute clone of Phera?

TIA

TF
 
EasyEJL said:
yes, me too
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I as well. I've been all natural since yesterday only because I've been busy buying a house and didn't hit the gym or even eat that much. I'm kinda pissed about that.

So, tonight I won't be all natural. In 45 minutes in fact, I won't be all natural.
 
bitterplacebo said:
Some companies have really frustrating electronic job application systems.
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for sure, and many have frustrating jobs.

I bought 3lbs of organic quinoa, some ezekial pasta, some quinoa pasta + flour and 16oz of 100% pure vegetable glycerin at a hippie shop today.
 
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