nosnmiveins
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any benefits to this? i always hear it being stacked with clen or other steroids
T3 standalone
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nosnmiveins
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anyone with experience?....i tried seaching "T3" but its too short and i dont know what else to search for
liquid
Well-known member
Yup that is true, but I think I remember if it was on the low dosing part, you may not need anything anabolic.
nosnmiveins
Well-known member
yeah, at 25mcg you are probably ok. its just a question as to how much effect that will have for you. if that much works, you are in good shape
yeah ive been reading up on it. seems like its run best with a test cycle to prevent muscle loss
boxmeman
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clen is maybe anabolic
lol i know i know nonetheless Box here is smart enough to know to stack it!! by the way has anyone used this precomp i really would like to hear how everything turned out specifically from AM.com users.
SOLARUS
Member
plenty of pros use clen pre-contest. dangerous, considering the dehydration/potassium issues, but effective.
clen is not anabolic in humans.....albuterol is, although IME it's REALLY slight, if at all.
i have used T4 without an anabolic before, up to 300mcg...if you keep protein REALLY high, you can avoid muscle loss without much difficulty.
nosnmiveins
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well i AM running JW for about 3 more weeks...
EasyEJL
Never enough
well, heres what you do. put a thermometer by your bed, and first thing when you wake up take your temperature the next 2 days to get a baseline. keep in mind t3 has a halflife of greater than 24 hours, so doses do overlap. thats why you need to ramp it slowly the first time you take it, as you won't hit maximum effect of a changed dose for 2 days. then you want to start taking your waking temp every morning. you shouldn't take the dose higher than what raises your body temp more than a degree or so, and definitely not taking waking body temp over 100. i'd kind of suggest something like
12.5/12.5/12.5/25/25/25/37.5 wk1
37.5/37.5/50/50/50/50/50 (maybe go higher here, if temp is ok)
50/50/50/50/37.5/25/12.5
the ramp at the end is important too, unlike with androgens
12.5/12.5/12.5/25/25/25/37.5 wk1
37.5/37.5/50/50/50/50/50 (maybe go higher here, if temp is ok)
50/50/50/50/37.5/25/12.5
the ramp at the end is important too, unlike with androgens
SOLARUS
Member
eh....i disagree a bit. the slope in the beginning is not that important. T3 ups body temp a little, but it isnt DNP for chrissakes. that first week is a waste of time IMHO. the ramp down is more important however, and in my opinion should take as long as you were on max dose.
this is coming from an experienced T3/T4 user...i've missed a T3 dose before when i was at max dose and holy crap i was drained....proved to me how important the down taper is...
jonny21
Registered User
I do not think the taper up is as important. Half life not important on the start since you already have T-3 in your body naturally. All you are doing is adding exogenous hormone to exceed your body's normal balance. Granted you do not want to increase too quickly, arrhythmia, a-fib and other concerns come into play then.
The taper down is important because endogenous production is slow to return.
The taper down is important because endogenous production is slow to return.
pcn
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In my experience, I don't react much to the lower doses of T3, so the 50 mcg "high dose" for one person is what I can take long term with no androgen. Long term (for me) being 6 weeks currently. I've tried higher in the past (up to 150) and it definitely made an effect w/o an androgen. I am thinking I must have the metabolism of a hibernating bear. The best advice so far is to ramp up slowly and judge by what your body tells you. If someone wants a magic pill to "get ripped in 4 weeks for spring break" this is definitely not it.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I hit 150 and stayed there a week, and my waking body temp was up by less than a full degree. no change in resting pulse, no significant change in weight loss. I gave up, thinking it was bunk, got a batch that someone I know used and had excellent results, same thing. my thyroid must be royally screwed
pcn
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That's what I thought at first, but then after I gave it some time it snuck up on me (the time I tried w/o an androgen.
This 50 mcg run has given me some good, slow results. Fat loss with no strength loss. I've actually went up slightly on some lifts. It may be because I increased protein intake to help act against any loss from the T3. The other items with an androgen I think I overcompensated with the androgen and overpowered any effect from the T3.
Or, we "old" folks may just take longer/more to see an effect - I'm 42.
This 50 mcg run has given me some good, slow results. Fat loss with no strength loss. I've actually went up slightly on some lifts. It may be because I increased protein intake to help act against any loss from the T3. The other items with an androgen I think I overcompensated with the androgen and overpowered any effect from the T3.
Or, we "old" folks may just take longer/more to see an effect - I'm 42.
EasyEJL
Never enough
well too, my normal waking bodytemp is in the 95.5-95.6 area, and my daytime temp is around 97.1. So obviously I have some issues there in my thyroid anyhow. I would have thought that it meant my thyroid function was low, and t3 would have noticeably helped me, but it must be an issue with something else in the chain.
SOLARUS
Member
this i think too is debatable...i think the only study showing any kind of long-term T3 supplementation showed a full recovery after only 30 days, after stopping a multi-year course....IIRC
so really i think we are all being overly cautious...but like i said before, dont quit cold turkey. my most recent T4 run just ended; i tapered down for quite a while and am now off the stuff, and i'm doing great. no crash at all.