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Help! Libido problem after Havoc

blackhatter

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I ran Havoc @ 30mg ED for 4 weeks.

post cycle therapy was :

Torem 120-90/90/60/30
Cycle Support - 1 scoop

I'm 5 days out of PCT and I have little to no sex drive. I wakeup in the morning with wood, but when it comes down to intercourse the big guy just can't stay up for any longer than 2 min. It's very ****ing frustrating.

This is my 2nd cycle of Havoc (except epistane last time) and I had no problem with libido during or afterwards.

I don't know how my libido was on cycle.. my GF was out of the country all month (thats why I chose that time) so I have no idea how I was on cycle.

Also, I have been intoxicated both times I had intercourse, but this usually doesn't affect me.

What should I do? I started taking some Maca/Trib and I'm wondering if DHEA is a good option.
 
well your test could be on the low side right now and alcohol if i remember correctly has negative effects on testosterone. are you noticing any other sides now that you are out of PCT? maybe a test booster would be worth looking into
 
Get on a natural test booster... I had this problem my last cycle.. But it cleard up after a few weeks... Its your body getting back to normal.

After pct i like to run Maca, Fenugreek, and horny goat weed just too make sure. If that doesnt held i dont know what will...
 
MattMiller said:
well your test could be on the low side right now and alcohol if i remember correctly has negative effects on testosterone. are you noticing any other sides now that you are out of post cycle therapy? maybe a test booster would be worth looking into
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No other sides at all. Actually, I've been putting on more MASS since I started PCT. Strange huh?

I'm picking up some fenugreek and horny g weed now so I'll be taking this..

Tribulus (3g)
Maca (5g)
Horny Goat Weed
Fenugreek

Also bigdog, you had a loss of libido even after PCT? Was it to the point where you couldn't ****?
 
i get like that during pct and after pct, so total for almost 2 months then it all comes back, i hope your girl is a cool chick, cuz you will need some time.

some people bounce back right away after pct with torem but not me,

nuts come back, then my mood comes back then my libido is back, in that order. until then **** will be limp. it sucks and im tired of pct blues so thats why im going to use peptides from now on.

so give it some time and yes herbal t booster wont hurt, or get some viagra while you wait it out. its great during pct and situations like this.
 
blackhatter said:
No other sides at all. Actually, I've been putting on more MASS since I started post cycle therapy. Strange huh?

I'm picking up some fenugreek and horny g weed now so I'll be taking this..

Tribulus (3g)
Maca (5g)
Horny Goat Weed
Fenugreek

Also bigdog, you had a loss of libido even after PCT? Was it to the point where you couldn't ****?
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It was to the point where i wouldnt even want too..
And if i were to it was definitly not as "solid" as it should have been.I was tripping out pretty bad. I came back just fine and am about to start PCT again here reall soon. I never ran havok, but was on test for 4 months so i can assume i was pretty shut down.
Good luck bro!!
 
Take a look around the board at guys during PCT NOT losing their libido while using the product by the name POST Cycle Support


CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
Take a look around the board at guys during post cycle therapy NOT losing their libido while using the product by the name POST Cycle Support


CROWLER
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lol you wouldn't happen to be trying to sell a product would you? lol
 
Dang It You Caught Me!


Crowler
 
You are only 5 days out? Honestly just give it some time. 5 days after a cycle your levels are definitely going to still be suppressed! It takes longer than people think sometimes for the levels to return to normal. I mean even masturbating causes massive drops in testosterone levels that don't return to their highest levels until ~7 days later, so you can imagine how long it takes to get your test levels back to normal after putting another hormone in your body that is basically replacing the need for most of your natural testosterone.

As stated above horny goat weed, tribulus, and fenugreek are all great choices. I have used trib and fenu in the past together with great success. Keep the dosage somewhat lower and work your way up from there. It loses effectiveness after a while so you have to continue to increase dosages. Take it in the morning or afternoon and you will definitely be feeling more aroused at night. Dosages are different for everyone though so test it out and change as needed.

LMD
 
LakeMountD said:
You are only 5 days out? Honestly just give it some time. 5 days after a cycle your levels are definitely going to still be suppressed! It takes longer than people think sometimes for the levels to return to normal. I mean even masturbating causes massive drops in testosterone levels that don't return to their highest levels until ~7 days later, so you can imagine how long it takes to get your test levels back to normal after putting another hormone in your body that is basically replacing the need for most of your natural testosterone.

As stated above horny goat weed, tribulus, and fenugreek are all great choices. I have used trib and fenu in the past together with great success. Keep the dosage somewhat lower and work your way up from there. It loses effectiveness after a while so you have to continue to increase dosages. Take it in the morning or afternoon and you will definitely be feeling more aroused at night. Dosages are different for everyone though so test it out and change as needed.

LMD
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I agree with the above. Also, try to NOT get intoxicated next time you plan on something happening.
 
Same deal with havoc, but my libido is there after a week, it's just very strange.

I'm using, torem, tamox, pcs, cycle support, ax apct, retain, DTH, paravol, and my diet is enriched with tons of eggs, fat, sat fat... but that's because I'm on the AD diet.
 
LakeMountD said:
You are only 5 days out? Honestly just give it some time. 5 days after a cycle your levels are definitely going to still be suppressed! It takes longer than people think sometimes for the levels to return to normal. I mean even masturbating causes massive drops in testosterone levels that don't return to their highest levels until ~7 days later, so you can imagine how long it takes to get your test levels back to normal after putting another hormone in your body that is basically replacing the need for most of your natural testosterone.

As stated above horny goat weed, tribulus, and fenugreek are all great choices. I have used trib and fenu in the past together with great success. Keep the dosage somewhat lower and work your way up from there. It loses effectiveness after a while so you have to continue to increase dosages. Take it in the morning or afternoon and you will definitely be feeling more aroused at night. Dosages are different for everyone though so test it out and change as needed.

LMD
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Well I'm a month out of my cycle. 5-6 days off my PCT. I don't know if it's placebo, but maca/trib/and goat weed is helping. I got some random wood today which hasn't happened to me in months. thanks for the replies.
 
blackhatter said:
Well I'm a month out of my cycle. 5-6 days off my post cycle therapy. I don't know if it's placebo, but maca/trib/and goat weed is helping. I got some random wood today which hasn't happened to me in months. thanks for the replies.
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Probably isn't placebo, the stuff works good. As I said before though, don't increase dosage too early because the dose dependent effects do wear over time and an increase needs to be made.
 
blackhatter said:
I ran Havoc @ 30mg ED for 4 weeks.
post cycle therapy was :
Torem 120-90/90/60/30
Cycle Support - 1 scoop
I'm 5 days out of post cycle therapy and I have little to no sex drive. I wakeup in the morning with wood, but when it comes down to intercourse the big guy just can't stay up for any longer than 2 min. It's very ****ing frustrating.
This is my 2nd cycle of Havoc (except epistane last time) and I had no problem with libido during or afterwards.
I don't know how my libido was on cycle.. my GF was out of the country all month (thats why I chose that time) so I have no idea how I was on cycle.
Also, I have been intoxicated both times I had intercourse, but this usually doesn't affect me.
What should I do? I started taking some Maca/Trib and I'm wondering if DHEA is a good option.
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1. what is your bodyweight?
2. did you also use torm the last time, same dosing, same supplier?
3. did you use anything else in PCT/on cycle, specifically an AI?

consider that torm and its metabolites have a pretty long half-life (5-6 days), you may have to wait some more days for it to clear your system. consider that your torm may have been bunk, underdosed or overdosed.

your problem may have one of several causes:

-to low test due to prolonged shutdown after failed PCT
-to low estrogen after prolonged exposure to high dosed torm (which DOES reduce serum level estradiol)
-side effect from high accumulated torm serum levels

any recommended course of action would have to depend on the root cause of the issue.

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i would get on proviron, has no negative affect on hpta and keeps androgen levels high. I am doing a 6 week oral turinadrol (halodrol) and methyl xt cycle and i am goona throw in proviron in week 5 through the end of post cycle therapy, that way i will not lose libido. Any thoughts?
 
bbkhan87 said:
i would get on proviron, has no negative affect on hpta and keeps androgen levels high. I am doing a 6 week oral turinadrol (halodrol) and methyl xt cycle and i am goona throw in proviron in week 5 through the end of post cycle therapy, that way i will not lose libido. Any thoughts?
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I was just reading up on Proviron. It sounds good, as for eliminating the dysfunctions caused by coming off a cycle. No libido loss or anything, but it suggests taking something to maintain your gains. Maybe AX Retain2? I'll be taking Aspire Lite as well because it's that good.

It says to take 50mg per day (1 AM, 1 PM), but for some, 25mg ED is sufficient. So, if people usually run Nolva for 40/40/20/20, then should I take Proviron @ 50/50/25/25? Or should 25mg be enough?

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Not meaning to hijack your thread or anything. This information could help us both.
 
LakeMountD said:
I mean even masturbating causes massive drops in testosterone levels that don't return to their highest levels until ~7 days later, so you can imagine how long it takes to get your test levels back to normal after putting another hormone in your body that is basically replacing the need for most of your natural testosterone.

LMD
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wait, so spanking it causes a drop in T levels?!? :think: No wonder I'm so small... :run:
 
blackhatter said:
I ran Havoc @ 30mg ED for 4 weeks.

post cycle therapy was :

Torem 120-90/90/60/30
Cycle Support - 1 scoop

I'm 5 days out of post cycle therapy and I have little to no sex drive. I wakeup in the morning with wood, but when it comes down to intercourse the big guy just can't stay up for any longer than 2 min. It's very ****ing frustrating.

This is my 2nd cycle of Havoc (except epistane last time) and I had no problem with libido during or afterwards.

I don't know how my libido was on cycle.. my GF was out of the country all month (thats why I chose that time) so I have no idea how I was on cycle.

Also, I have been intoxicated both times I had intercourse, but this usually doesn't affect me.

What should I do? I started taking some Maca/Trib and I'm wondering if DHEA is a good option.
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Well, your test is already low and it is probably lower after a night of drinking and then add to that fact that your liver probably just took a hit. I would give it some more time bro, its only been five days.
 
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