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Question about all these non-methyls

bignative22

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I was just wondering if these are pro-hormones or steroids? Is propadrol for instance an active or does it convert to something? I haven't been able to find what the parent compound for some of these is (max LMG, propadrol, etc... my guess is it's Winny for Winzstrol lol)

Just so I don't have to open a new thread, what is an effective dose for propadrol on its own? 60 or 90?
 
bignative22 said:
I was just wondering if these are pro-hormones or steroids? Is propadrol for instance an active or does it convert to something? I haven't been able to find what the parent compound for some of these is (max LMG, propadrol, etc... my guess is it's Winny for Winzstrol lol)

Just so I don't have to open a new thread, what is an effective dose for propadrol on its own? 60 or 90?
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The parents are unclassified as best I can tell, they are obscure pogestins actually.
 
bignative22 said:
I was just wondering if these are pro-hormones or steroids? Is propadrol for instance an active or does it convert to something? I haven't been able to find what the parent compound for some of these is (max LMG, propadrol, etc... my guess is it's Winny for Winzstrol lol)

Just so I don't have to open a new thread, what is an effective dose for propadrol on its own? 60 or 90?
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I think a search for propadrol may yield information.
I have never used that myself.

Max LMG and clones of it I have utilized in conjunction with PP. Max LMG gives good strenth and size gains and for me was not overly wet although others have reported this. It is a progesterine derived coumpound so be weary of progesterin indiced side effects. high dose b6 can help. It requires proper PCT. I used at between 75mg (80 for clones) and 125mg (120 for clones) with 20-30 mg of PP ~5 weeks. Very good results and not too bad on the blood work which is posted here if you search "my phera plex xmass log" on here.
 
Nice to see you around D. It's been a while.

Anyway, I have tried pretty damn hard to find out about these two products and can't find much (not results, but info about the actual progestins). The only thing that I figured out was that they are both progestins and that according to their nomenclature and the definition of a gonane they are "tetracyclic hydrocarbons without methyl groups at the C-10 and C-13, and without a sidechain at the C-17."

I don't know much about organic chemsitry(yet:twisted:), so I'm not even sure if this means anything that we didn't already know. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/79658-nomenclature-dummies.html
 
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I don't know much about the chemical structure, but Propadrol is a progestin and allegedly they threw an AI in there as well.

Personally, I tried to pulse it and quit after 2 days at 60mg each because it spiked my BP. That's about all I can say, except that I'd rather do a mild methyl with the proper liver support.

You could also look at Furazadrol. A bit pricey, but from what I hear it is a pretty effective non-methyl. Search and yea shall find.
 
stxnas said:
Nice to see you around D. It's been a while...
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I needed a break, but its good to be back and see you too stxnas!

Your points are valid, whether you understand the nomenclature or not. :) 19-nor (lack of a methyl branch from the C10) almost always makes a progestin, same thing with groups larger than methyl (like ethyl) on the C13.

I don't understand why it says 12-ethyl on the bottle though. :blink:
 
My understanding of Max LMG and its clones are that they are very chemically close to if not identical to the progestin (anti-progesterone, in females anyway) RU-486 (the morning after pill).
 
Wilderbeast said:
My understanding of Max LMG and its clones are that they are very chemically close to if not identical to the progestin (anti-progesterone, in females anyway) RU-486 (the morning after pill).
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That is most evident in big, bulky substitutes on the C11. It may have anti-progestin properties (I'm not sure because I've never used it) but it does not look related to the compounds you mentioned. Honestly, I'd guess that it would be a fairly potent progestin, but I don't have resolution on the structure yet. If it really is alkylated on the C12, that would be very strange indeed.
 
stxnas said:
Nice to see you around D. It's been a while.

Anyway, I have tried pretty damn hard to find out about these two products and can't much (not results, but info about the actual progestins). The only thing that I figured out was that they are both progestins and that according to their nomenclature and the definition of a gonane they are "tetracyclic hydrocarbons without methyl groups at the C-10 and C-13, and without a sidechain at the C-17."
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Weird. There is no Wiki on it. Maybe you should do a writeup.
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Aggravated said:
Weird. There is no Wiki on it. Maybe you should do a writeup.
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I was merely referencing the gonane groups in a write-up that I found: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/79658-nomenclature-dummies.html I'm pretty new to organic chemistry, otherwise I might consider doing something like that, lol.

FUNDAMENTAL CARBOCYCLES
2.1. The parent tetracyclic hydrocarbon without methyl groups at C-b and C-13 and without a sidechain at C-17 is named 'gonane'.
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EctoPower said:
I don't know much about the chemical structure, but Propadrol is a progestin and allegedly they threw an AI in there as well.

Personally, I tried to pulse it and quit after 2 days at 60mg each because it spiked my BP. That's about all I can say, except that I'd rather do a mild methyl with the proper liver support.

You could also look at Furazadrol. A bit pricey, but from what I hear it is a pretty effective non-methyl. Search and yea shall find.
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That's interesting that it spiked your BP. I will definitely look out for this. Did you notice this from readings or side effects first?
 
FWIIW I've noticed that others on propadrol have mentioned high bp too.
 
bignative22 said:
That's interesting that it spiked your BP. I will definitely look out for this. Did you notice this from readings or side effects first?
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Side effects first. By the beginning of day two I had a splitting headache. On day 4 I checked my BP and it was elevated. So, I just terminated the cycle. It was just a pulse anyway and probably ill-conceived. If I had pre-loaded with hawthorn berry, I might not have had a problem.

Live and learn!
 
EctoPower said:
Side effects first. By the beginning of day two I had a splitting headache. On day 4 I checked my BP and it was elevated. So, I just terminated the cycle. It was just a pulse anyway and probably ill-conceived. If I had pre-loaded with hawthorn berry, I might not have had a problem.

Live and learn!
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I've been taking 1g of hawthorne twice a day, do you think that is sufficient?
 
bignative22 said:
I've been taking 1g of hawthorne twice a day, do you think that is sufficient?
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What does the bottle say?

I think typical recommended dosage is 500mg to 1500mg per day. So 2 grams sounds OK to me, but I would check against the recommendations on the bottle in your hands too.
 
Check out the specs on Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support: Invalid Link Removed

All of the ingredients are used at the optimal recommended doseages (when used at two scoops per day).

If you're extract is 80% or more two grams might be a little overkill. Do like Ecto suggested and check out the label and get back to us.
 
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