BIGGUNZ401
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i just finished an 8 week cycle of leviathan, how long do I have to wait until i can start using other fat burning supps like Napalm or an ECA STACK..??
quick levathian question
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TripDog
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Why do you feel you have to wait? Just currious...
BIGGUNZ401
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it says do not use for more than 8 weeks on the bottle
bLacKjAck.
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I would take you don't really HAVE to, it is suggested though. Its always good to give your adrenals a little break from time to time. Ya might look into Reset A.D, I personally think that is always a good choice after a long run of stims.
If I were you I would take about a week. But wouldn't switch fat burners
BIGGUNZ401
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I would take you don't really HAVE to, it is suggested though. Its always good to give your adrenals a little break from time to time. Ya might look into Reset A.D, I personally think that is always a good choice after a long run of stims.
If I were you I would take about a week. But wouldn't switch fat burners
LOL hey I just wanna do some exploring you know.. im gonna post some pics up once I get my digi camera running. I got some good results i THINK.. But i lost a lot of muscle though.. stay tuned..
bLacKjAck.
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Yeh that sounds good. If your lookin for another fat burner that will help preserve muscle better, you DEF won't find that.
Maybe we could find a couple errors in that diet and see if we can get you some better results your next go round....reguardless of which fatburner you choose.
BIGGUNZ401
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Okay heres a short summary of what i hav ebeen doing for the last 3 months.
I have been cutting for about 3 months now. Im about to finish my 3rd month this week and decided to continue on for a 4th month.. why because the first month i kind of did a horrible job, slacked off and did a little drinking.
I still got results though. I started at 152lbs with a 33inch and now im 130lbs with a 29 inch. Im sure I lost some muscle as well because alot of my lifts went down the drain...
My bench went from 225x11 to 225x7 and etc..
My utlimate goal is to reach a 28-27 inch waist line and then start to clean bulk.. I will post up pictures and create a log!
So for the last two months i have been eating really clean and doing empty stomach morning cardio 5x for 40 minutes in a week and working out in the evenings.. Also, i am on a carb cycling diet.
My macronutrients are:
monday - friday
200g protein (800 calories)
100g carbs (400 calories)
30g fat ( 270 calories)
total calories = 1470 calories
saturday - sunday
200g protein (800 calories)
250g carbs (1000 calories)
50g fat (450 calories)
total calories = 2250 calories
all my carbs are all complex and vegs, and fats are all from good sources..
what do you you think clean bulk or continue to cut?? I think im already skinny as hell..people think im dieing..I really dont understand how i can lose so much muscle and I kept my protein high !!!!
bLacKjAck.
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Well I will say this, I know EXACTLY why you have been losing muscle
Bro, at 130lbs and a 29in waist...the LAST thing you need to be doing is cutting imho.
How tall are you? What is your body fat %? Where do you want to ideally end up, as far as weight and body fat?
DreamWeaver
Legend
Um 22 lbs weight loss with 4 inches on the waist that is bang on for high percentage fat loss. 1 inch per 5 lbs = mostly fat burned.
Why do you think you lost muscle.
Why do you think you lost muscle.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
Well I will say this, I know EXACTLY why you have been losing muscle
Bro, at 130lbs and a 29in waist...the LAST thing you need to be doing is cutting imho.
How tall are you? What is your body fat %? Where do you want to ideally end up, as far as weight and body fat?
Noo.. I was 154 lbs with a 33 inch waist, 13-15% body fat. now im 130lbs with a 29 inch waist, 9% body fat. Im 5 ft 4 inches. I can see my veins around my abs popping out. For some dyam reason there is still a lil fat there though. Its annoying and im trying to get rid of it so I can start clean bulking! I will post pics up, I dont look that bad..I Just lost lots of muscle..
BIGGUNZ401
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I know I lost muscle.. why because my max bench went from 285 to like 260
and I use to bench 225 x11 now I can only do it 6-7x!!! its ****in sad!!
The only good thing that came from the diet is that I have a 6 pack now with a lil fat pouch.
DreamWeaver
Legend
You lost 22 lbs your bench will likely go down if you lost muscle or not. You lost an amazing 4 inches off your waist means you lost a lot of fat, and some water too no doubt. Just cuz your bench goes down doesn't mean you've lost muscle. Bench is a power movement and body weight is a factor. I bet you have lost no strength of isolated movements, but you will lose on power compound movements your lighter.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
good reasoning..isolated movements are like bcep curls and stuff right?
"but you will lose on power compound movements your lighter"
your saying since i weigh less now my power movements will go down with it?
DreamWeaver
Legend
Exactly you lost a good percentage of your body wieght that would be like me losing 40 lbs. I would lose on my bench believe me. I am not saying that you didn't lose any muscle but I do believe you lost very little.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
Does every bodybuilder lose strength in their MAJOR LIFTS.. BENCH PRESS, SQUATS , DEAD LIFT when they start cutting??? And what about profesional bodybuilders??
hmm.. i think im gonna try to gain my weight back but keep the fat a little lower
DreamWeaver
Legend
Ok Pro bodybuilders use all kinds of drugs to keep their strength up so I assume their loss on power movements is less pronounced but there is no way of avoiding it.
I can use myself as an example (natural competitor), my power movements went down significantly during contest prep but most of my isolated movements suffered very little. I lost muscle yes but most of that was when I dropped down under 10-12 %. This will happen to endos as their bodies are not accustomed to being that lean (theory of mine). Being so light though I was able to do high reps on pullups and could do tons of pushups.
There are a couple of things that do concern me about your numbers though and you will probably be more successful if you change a few things. You must have been on a pretty big calorie deficit to lose so much of your body weight. With modern products such as these I would recommend less of a severe deficit and cut slowly alowing your body to maintain/gain mass. Any more than 1 lbs a week actual weight loss may be excessive as it is all the fat you would normally burn off in that time. This way you can assure that most of what you lose is fat. These products will help to maintain your strength and mass. That's how there designed to work. Dropping your weight quickly will negate some of the benefit.
I can use myself as an example (natural competitor), my power movements went down significantly during contest prep but most of my isolated movements suffered very little. I lost muscle yes but most of that was when I dropped down under 10-12 %. This will happen to endos as their bodies are not accustomed to being that lean (theory of mine). Being so light though I was able to do high reps on pullups and could do tons of pushups.
There are a couple of things that do concern me about your numbers though and you will probably be more successful if you change a few things. You must have been on a pretty big calorie deficit to lose so much of your body weight. With modern products such as these I would recommend less of a severe deficit and cut slowly alowing your body to maintain/gain mass. Any more than 1 lbs a week actual weight loss may be excessive as it is all the fat you would normally burn off in that time. This way you can assure that most of what you lose is fat. These products will help to maintain your strength and mass. That's how there designed to work. Dropping your weight quickly will negate some of the benefit.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
OKay i got ya.. Yeah i was losing about 2lbs per week next time I cut I'll def aim for 1 lb..
you do bodybuilding competetions?? do you have a trainer and whats your current body fat??
DreamWeaver
Legend
I used to do body building comps (natural). I did have a trainer yes, it's pretty difficult to go it alone. My trainer was my training partner and friend so that definitely helped with the cost.
My current body fat is quite high as in the off season I was always up too high, I would be like 18% (probably close to that now). I am very healthy at the higher percentage as I am an endo. At contest I couldn't get much lower than 6% though, it was a real chore for me.
I plan on only going down to around 12% as any lower and I start to feel like **** but may slowly move down. I do not plan on competing any more as I am older and all the up and down has had an effect on the elasticity of my skin.
I have to tell you I don't miss competing, gets kind of obsessive and it's so political. I just like the way I feel and look when I'm in shape.
My current body fat is quite high as in the off season I was always up too high, I would be like 18% (probably close to that now). I am very healthy at the higher percentage as I am an endo. At contest I couldn't get much lower than 6% though, it was a real chore for me.
I plan on only going down to around 12% as any lower and I start to feel like **** but may slowly move down. I do not plan on competing any more as I am older and all the up and down has had an effect on the elasticity of my skin.
I have to tell you I don't miss competing, gets kind of obsessive and it's so political. I just like the way I feel and look when I'm in shape.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah in the old days a lot of us would lose 2 lbs a week, but that was cuz we needed to get to a certain level by a certain date and often would underestimate how much we needed to lose.
These products however have changed things, you can now maintain/gain mass while you cut, but I do feel that you as the user of the product have some repsonsiblity in making this happen. Hence the slow fat loss method. I actually think that you will burn almost as much fat per week slowly as you would losing weight quickly.
Hek there was a short period during my drive run where I took a couple inches off my waist without losing a pound, so anything is possible.
These products however have changed things, you can now maintain/gain mass while you cut, but I do feel that you as the user of the product have some repsonsiblity in making this happen. Hence the slow fat loss method. I actually think that you will burn almost as much fat per week slowly as you would losing weight quickly.
Hek there was a short period during my drive run where I took a couple inches off my waist without losing a pound, so anything is possible.
Sir Savage
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Napalm is local, not systemic, so the typical "wait X amount of weeks" doesn't apply. By "local" I mean that Napalm doesn't get into your bloodstream and affect your adrenal/central nervous systems.
bLacKjAck.
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The man speaks the truth!
BIGGUNZ401
Member
yeah next time when i cut ill try to lose no more than 1 pound per week.. I was losing about 2lbs per week ahh! **** it. First diet went bad, you live and you learn!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yes we do just that. I just think that you give these products a lot better chance to work if you cut more slowly. Don't be surprised if you go through a period where you lose no weight but still see a reduction in body fat.