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Pudz's "Nuttin but a peanut" cycle JOURNAL

HERE IS AN UPDATED YEAR ROUND SUPPLEMENT REGIME (with a few of the things specialized to ON cycle, but no reason they can't be used year round):

Cycle support w/o RYR- 1 dose PM
RYR- .5-1 dose AM
Garlic- 1 dose AM, 1 dose PM
Fish oil- with meals 5-10g/day)
Sesamin - 2-4 servings per day
Niacin- 1000-1500mg at night
Folic Acid- 1 serving AM, one serving PM
Dandelion Root - 1 serving Am, (maybe one PM)
Activite/Multi - 1 pill AM
Radox (antioxidant blend) - 1 serving AM, 1 serving PWO
Liv.52- 3 pills/day
Vit c. ~2g / day
Great Tea - I drink throughout the day
Bulk Nettle Root - recommended serving size
(Cissus)- I may use when joints need it

seems like i have all angles covered there
 
okay....today I was doing chest (keep in mind I partially tore my left pec tendon about 6 months ago) and today I was just messin around with 315 a little and on the way down i felt it pull a bit again. I immediately backed down and finished the workout with extremely light weight (just slow contractions and negatives with chest on various machines).....so basically IM PISSED.....i stretched it well, took 600mg ibuprofen, 1g cissus, 1g Celadrin, and 80mcg Oratropin.... Im lucky I have some of that left still.....

I HATE THESE NAGGING injuries!!!

so additions to my daily supplement regime:

Bulk cissus rx 2g / day
Celadrin 2g / day
GNC Triflex with SAM-e 4-6 pills/ day

I will ice it tonight, I dont want to restrict blood flow immediately becuase I want nutrients and IGF and all the other good stuff to get there first. I will then message lightly and wait a few hours to ice.

I swear i will just get a side job to pay for gear and HGH and IGF-1 and horse tranquilizers and whatever else and just never come off....Im sick of this pec thing@!
 
Best of luck with the pec thing man. Just take it easy.

Also does anyone else think pudz is taking a lot of niacin everyday???
 
Best of luck with the pec thing man. Just take it easy.

Also does anyone else think pudz is taking a lot of niacin everyday???

thanks man

btw... i backed the niacin down to 1000mg in one dose only. (its 500mg per pill. I was advised by several people that it can be used safely up to 4500mg / day for lipids)
 
thanks man

btw... i backed the niacin down to 1000mg in one dose only. (its 500mg per pill. I was advised by several people that it can be used safely up to 4500mg / day for lipids)

Good deal. I believe Niacin can be liver toxic, but that is in higher doses (I think at least 3-4g's/day).
 
Good deal. I believe Niacin can be liver toxic, but that is in higher doses (I think at least 3-4g's/day).

It ~can~ be, esp. nearing 4.5g or when taken with RYR (and other liver unfriendly things). To on your lipids, it must be 'mega dosed'. You have to work up to it and assess your reaction to it. Do NOT do this with the 'No-Flush' Niacin.

Personally, I think Niacin is better than just about everything for repairing/fixing your lipids (reducing LDL & triglycerides, raising HDL) and fixing the ratio (most importantly).


Code:
Division of Clinical Pharmacology, University of Tennessee, 874 Union Ave, Memphis, TN 38163, USA.

CONTEXT: Although niacin increases low levels of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C), 
which frequently accompany diabetes, current guidelines do not recommend use of niacin in patients 
with diabetes because of concerns about adverse effects on glycemic control; however, this is based on 
limited clinical data. 

OBJECTIVE: To determine the efficacy and safety of lipid-modifying dosages of niacin in patients 
with diabetes. 

DESIGN AND SETTING: Prospective, randomized placebo-controlled clinical trial conducted 
in 6 clinical centers from August 1993 to December 1995. 

PARTICIPANTS: A total of 468 participants, including 125 with diabetes, who had diagnosed 
peripheral arterial disease. 

INTERVENTIONS: After an active run-in period, participants were randomly assigned to 
receive niacin (crystalline nicotinic acid), [B]3000 mg/d or maximum tolerated dosage[/B] 
(n = 64 with diabetes; n = 173 without diabetes), or placebo (n = 61 with diabetes; n = 170
 without diabetes) for up to 60 weeks (12-week active run-in and 48-week double-blind). 

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Plasma lipoprotein, glucose, hemoglobin A(1c) (HbA(1c)), 
alanine aminotransferase, and uric acid levels; hypoglycemic drug use; compliance; 
and adverse events, in patients with diabetes vs without who were receiving niacin vs placebo. 


RESULTS: [B]Niacin use significantly increased HDL-C by 29% and 29% and decreased triglycerides 
by 23% and 28% and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) by 8% and 9%, respectively, in 
participants with and without diabetes (P<.001 for niacin vs placebo for all).[/B] Corresponding 
changes in participants receiving placebo were increases of 0% and 2% in HDL-C and increases of 7% 
and 0% in triglycerides, and increases of 1% and 1% in LDL-C. Glucose levels were modestly increased 
by niacin (8.7 and 6.3 mg/dL [0.4 and 0.3 mmol/L]; P =.04 and P<.001) in participants with and 
without diabetes, respectively. Levels of HbA(1c) were unchanged from baseline to follow-up in 
participants with diabetes treated with niacin. In participants with diabetes treated with placebo, 
HbA(1c) decreased by 0.3% (P =.04 for difference). There were no significant differences in niacin 
discontinuation, niacin dosage, or hypoglycemic therapy in participants with diabetes assigned to 
niacin vs placebo. 

CONCLUSIONS: Our study suggests that lipid-modifying dosages of niacin can be safely used in 
patients with diabetes and that niacin therapy may be considered as an alternative to statin 
drugs or fibrates for patients with diabetes in whom these agents are not tolerated or fail to 
sufficiently correct hypertriglyceridemia or low HDL-C levels. JAMA. 2000;284:1263-1270

PMID: 10979113 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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how does this sound: I am taking 1000mg IN THE MORNING (**correction from what I said a few posts earlier) with nothing that I know to be liver toxic.... I take cycle support w RYR in the morning.) Im taking no methylated orals right now, and I am using Liv.52 as I do all year.
 
okay....today I was doing chest (keep in mind I partially tore my left pec tendon about 6 months ago) and today I was just messin around with 315 a little and on the way down i felt it pull a bit again. I immediately backed down and finished the workout with extremely light weight (just slow contractions and negatives with chest on various machines).....so basically IM PISSED.....i stretched it well, took 600mg ibuprofen, 1g cissus, 1g Celadrin, and 80mcg Oratropin.... Im lucky I have some of that left still.....

I HATE THESE NAGGING injuries!!!

so additions to my daily supplement regime:

Bulk cissus rx 2g / day
Celadrin 2g / day
GNC Triflex with SAM-e 4-6 pills/ day

I will ice it tonight, I dont want to restrict blood flow immediately becuase I want nutrients and IGF and all the other good stuff to get there first. I will then message lightly and wait a few hours to ice.

I swear i will just get a side job to pay for gear and HGH and IGF-1 and horse tranquilizers and whatever else and just never come off....Im sick of this pec thing@!

If you've already torn your pec/tendon, lay off of the flat bench!

Switch to incline bench only.

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how does this sound: I am taking 1000mg IN THE MORNING (**correction from what I said a few posts earlier) with nothing that I know to be liver toxic.... I take cycle support w RYR in the morning.) Im taking no methylated orals right now, and I am using Liv.52 as I do all year.

I take it mostly at night so the flush doesn't come on at work, but anytime that is convenient for you is good.

Sometimes pre-workout is 'fun' too!

X
 
okay so this is the end of week 10. still running at 1000mg test and about 700mg EQ. I will run Test at this dose for 1-2 more weeks and keep on pushin, then start my taper. I'm planning all the details of post cycle therapy right now. I have retired the use of humalog for a while. I think I will use it 3 weeks on 2-3 weeks off . I will be using it with IGF post cycle (unless I do not get IGF due to price rapage)...

how long is humalog good once opened if kept refrigerated? is it still 30 days? that'd suck becuase I only used a smidge of vial. whatever though, even if i have to fork out another 40 bucks, its better than ____ for igf
 
Okay It is the beginning of week 11:

I am refining my post cycle therapy plan:::

I start post cycle therapy the first day of week 18. the next few weeks will look as follows:

week 11:
-1000mg Test E
-750mg EQ
-Aromasin (10-12.5mg ED)

week 12:
-1000mg Test E
-750mg EQ
-Aromasin (10-12.5mg ED)

week 13:
-750mg Test E
-500mg EQ
-Aromasin (10-12.5mg EOD)

Week 14:
-500mg Test E
-NO EQ
-Aromasin (10mg EOD)

Week 15:
-250-500mg T
-NO EQ
-Aromasin (10mg EOD-E3D

week 16:
Superdrol (30mg)
B6-HELP WITH DOSE FOR PROLACTIN CONTROL

Week 17:
Superdrol (30mg)
B6-HELP WITH DOSE FOR PROLACTIN CONTROL

**I dont know if superdrol is the best to use...I have never been attracted to its toxicity, any other suggestions? I need something strong enough to hold gains while esters are clearing.

**HCG 500-750IU per week- should I use it all the way until PCT? IT would make sense to me to do so....

PCT --week 18

weeks 18:
-Toremifene: 150, 150, 150, 120, 120, 100, 90
-Dermacrine Sustain-full dose
-Activate Extreme
-Post Cycle Support

Week 19:
-Toremifene: 90mg
-Dermacrine Sustain-full dose
-Activate Extreme
-Post Cycle Support

Week 20:
-Toremifene: 60mg
-Dermacrine Sustain-full dose
-Activate Extreme
-Post Cycle Support

week 21:
-Toremifene: 60mg
-Dermacrine Sustain-full dose
-Activate Extreme
-Post Cycle Support
-Hypderol (half-full dose EOD)

Week 22:
-Toremifene: 30mg
-Dermacrine Sustain-full dose
-Activate Extreme
-Post Cycle Support
-Hypderol (half-full dose EOD)

week 23 and on:
-Taper off the AI (if used)
-finish off whatever is left of the Sustain
-taper off of the Test booster
-begin detox and do bloodwork a few weeks after everything has cleared the system {unless something goes wrong with PCT...then bloodwork may come more often and/or sooner}

TOTAL SERM: 2660mg Tor--too much in conjunction with Dermacrine sustain?--I would rather test the theory that it works with a low dose SERM as well as using a SERM on its own. I would rather learn so from experience than risk messing up my HPTA with a personally not proven theory

*** I have a full bottle of Ralox...anyone think I should use that instead or in conjunction(-lesser dose of Tor+Ralox) of just using Tor alone?
 
Sounds good i have never done a cycle with such a high serm but you know what you need. The superdrol should work for holding your gains(what kind of drol is it). I don't think you should have much toxcicity running it only for 2 weeks. what is in the post cycle support?
 
B6 dosage should be 600mg (3x200mg/day).

Have you used Hyperdrol before?
 
run the hcg until pct.

keep the aromasin with the sdrol too.

sdrol is good finish because it acts fast and is strong enough.

week 21 i would go to 30mg torem...

look into P-5-P instead of B6, im going to be trying that out. here is a link:Invalid Link Removed
 
Sounds good i have never done a cycle with such a high serm but you know what you need. The superdrol should work for holding your gains(what kind of drol is it). I don't think you should have much toxcicity running it only for 2 weeks. what is in the post cycle support?

sometimes in planning I get over-zealous with my SERM doses. I may bump them down a bit.... the post cycle support:


Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Trans-Resveratrol 50% 1200 mg **
Quercetin 95% 1200 mg **
Horny Goat Weed 20% Icariin 500 mg **
Piperidine 95% 30 mg *
 
run the hcg until post cycle therapy.

keep the aromasin with the sdrol too.

sdrol is good finish because it acts fast and is strong enough.

week 21 i would go to 30mg torem...

look into P-5-P instead of B6, im going to be trying that out. here is a link:Invalid Link Removed

aright I will do that. Thanks man. I'm thinking I may harden up a little with the sdrol too. That would be a good way to end off.

do you think my Serm doses are too high? its only the first week thats pushin it i think. I just figured I would need quite a boost to get myself going...better safe than sorry in my opinion but what do you think?
 
run the hcg until post cycle therapy.

keep the aromasin with the sdrol too.

sdrol is good finish because it acts fast and is strong enough.

week 21 i would go to 30mg torem...

look into P-5-P instead of B6, im going to be trying that out. here is a link:Invalid Link Removed

btw...what is your recommended dosing regime for p-5-p? seems like a great on cycle and PCT supplement...probably can be replaced by a B complex when OFF though. what do you think>
 
i was thinkin it was borderline too much. maybe keep the highest at 150mg for maybe the first 3 days. I have to assume negative effects from SERMs at very high doses...they arent exactly healthy even tho they seem that way.
 
i was thinkin it was borderline too much. maybe keep the highest at 150mg for maybe the first 3 days. I have to assume negative effects from SERMs at very high doses...they arent exactly healthy even tho they seem that way.

yea I agree I will edit that post. 200mg Tor is wayyy to much now that I think about it.
 
okay guys I've come across my first gyno scare. I had some trenaplex sitting around and i used about a weeks worth of it about a week ago. It messed me up emotionally and made me sweat like crazy so i stopped. i felt better immediately. Now i seem to have a little prolactin rebound. I say this becuase the AI dose has remained constant, tren and tren ish ph's are progestins which can aggrivate gyno via prolactin imbalance. Also signs such as increased hunger and decreased sex drive are inidications of prolactin issues in med. (I have both of these issues right now) and my nipples feel a bit puffy and tender...so

what do you guys recommend i do? I have no immediate access to cabergoline and I would rather opt for a natural approach before using that. B6? vitex? bromo? what do you think?

this worries me because I am using superdrol for 2 weeks to hold my gains while the esters clear and i dont want any prolactin issues from that. I think if i catch it now it should subside and be manageable.
 
okay guys I've come across my first gyno scare. I had some trenaplex sitting around and i used about a weeks worth of it about a week ago. It messed me up emotionally and made me sweat like crazy so i stopped. i felt better immediately. Now i seem to have a little prolactin rebound. I say this becuase the AI dose has remained constant, tren and tren ish ph's are progestins which can aggrivate gyno via prolactin imbalance. Also signs such as increased hunger and decreased sex drive are inidications of prolactin issues in med. (I have both of these issues right now) and my nipples feel a bit puffy and tender...so

what do you guys recommend i do? I have no immediate access to cabergoline and I would rather opt for a natural approach before using that. B6? vitex? bromo? what do you think?

this worries me because I am using superdrol for 2 weeks to hold my gains while the esters clear and i dont want any prolactin issues from that. I think if i catch it now it should subside and be manageable.

That sucks man. I would start the B6 stat while you decide. It is probably the fastest/cheapest to get your hands on (like tomorrow).
 
b6 it. and dont have any orgasms. this would add to the prolactin. you might want to just ride out the esters at the end.
 
b6 it. and dont have any orgasms. this would add to the prolactin. you might want to just ride out the esters at the end.

yea...ill get some B6 when I go to the store today. I dont think it's a severe issue, nor will it stop me from using superdrol or maybe another oral(non progestinic) while the esters clear.

what is a good B6 protocol for this and how long should I use that dose? 600mg /day?
 
200mg 3x a day. look into P-5-P....did you look at the links i posted? If you could get this at the store then I would suggest that. It would be nice to get a little feedback from you on it as well as that is what i have planned for my next cycle to hold prolactin off. Its basically a higher bioavailable form of b6.
 
200mg 3x a day. look into P-5-P....did you look at the links i posted? If you could get this at the store then I would suggest that. It would be nice to get a little feedback from you on it as well as that is what i have planned for my next cycle to hold prolactin off. Its basically a higher bioavailable form of b6.

yea i checked out those links. It seems like a good compound to replace B6 with. I was going to ask you how available you thought it was. I will check the store today when I go. u think it would be listed as p-5-p or as the full name?
 
yea i checked out those links. It seems like a good compound to replace B6 with. I was going to ask you how available you thought it was. I will check the store today when I go. u think it would be listed as p-5-p or as the full name?

Do you have a vitamin shoppe nearby? They carry p-5-p there (in the store).
 
alright so it comes in waves i suppose. i do not feel any real enlargement of my pre existing "lump" under the nipple. But I do feel tenderness which makes me worry. its almost not directly under th nipple sort of off to the side of the lower chest a bit. when I sqeeze the lump from that angle it's tender. should I get some caber? or use a little ralox? I have ralox on hand....but I don't want to assume its estrogenic. I have been using Aromasin consistently and the only other variable was the week of trenaplex. This makes me think its prolactin related. How long on B6 should it take to notice improvement?
 
on a seperate note: I have an idea as to how I will maximize my "healthy" OFF time while minimizing gain loss.

I am going to employ the use of x factor during my OFF cycles. After pct I will ensure my system is back to normal with bloodwork...and then after a few weeks I will use IGF-1, creatine mono, and x factor and some bulk nettle root (activate basically) as a bridge.
 
on a seperate note: I have an idea as to how I will maximize my "healthy" OFF time while minimizing gain loss.

I am going to employ the use of x factor during my OFF cycles. After post cycle therapy I will ensure my system is back to normal with bloodwork...and then after a few weeks I will use IGF-1, creatine mono, and x factor and some bulk nettle root (activate basically) as a bridge.

I've been lurkin' this log for awhile. If I were you i'd just get some caber. Don't mess around with that just zap it and then you'll have some around incase of more issue's with later runs of tren or other prolactin compunds.

O and when the hell are you gonna get some pic's up???
 
wow too bad i didnt find this threazd before great job pudz!! yes so what is the update with weight etc and where are the pics!
 
I am thinking that the SERM and Dermacrine Sustain with Post cycle support will provide enough estrogen suppression and using the HDx2 in PCT will actually do more harm than good. I think I will save the hyperdrol to use during my OFF time. just as a natty boost. any thoughts?
 
I am thinking that the SERM and Dermacrine Sustain with Post cycle support will provide enough estrogen suppression and using the HDx2 in post cycle therapy will actually do more harm than good. I think I will save the hyperdrol to use during my OFF time. just as a natty boost. any thoughts?

Yea i agree. HDx2 would be overkill and could cause some rebound.
 
yo xodus and others: I went to vitaminshoppe today and got some p-5-p at 50mg per pill and some Regular niacin 250mg per pill.

-What do you recommend for Niacin intake if used at the opposite end of the day as RYR? (1000-1500mg enough for cholesterol and lipid management?).

-anything amongst the list of supplements i posted earlier in this thread besides RYR that it should not be taken with? (what about oral's (methylated or non)-id assume take it a few hours apart from them but the niacin is time release..

-How much p-5-p to use when on progestenic substances? (using with reg b6? or alone?)

-when should p-5-p be taken?


~~~thanks guys
 
yo xodus and others: I went to vitaminshoppe today and got some p-5-p at 50mg per pill and some Regular niacin 250mg per pill.

-What do you recommend for Niacin intake if used at the opposite end of the day as RYR? (1000-1500mg enough for cholesterol and lipid management?).

-anything amongst the list of supplements i posted earlier in this thread besides RYR that it should not be taken with? (what about oral's (methylated or non)-id assume take it a few hours apart from them but the niacin is time release..

-How much p-5-p to use when on progestenic substances? (using with reg b6? or alone?)

-when should p-5-p be taken?


~~~thanks guys


Is the Niacin 'regular' or 'Time Release'? You don't want to mega dose the time release stuff. Definitely work your way up to 1500mg, keep it as far away from your RYR and methyl orals as possible. I take it at night before bed.

Not familiar enough with the P5P yet, but B6 should be spread out over the day. Be aware of neuropathy(loss of skin sensation) on B6 if you start getting into the higher doses. It's temporary and goes away once you stop taking B6.
 
"The effects of niacin are dose-dependent. The most pronounce increases in HDL and decreases in triglycerides occur at 1200-1500 mg/day. Niacin's greatest effects on LDL occur at 2000-3000 mg/day (12033). A very low dose of niacin, 50 mg daily, can modestly increase HDL cholesterol by 2.1 mg/dL, but appears to have no effect on total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, or triglycerides when added to statin therapy (8546). Niacin also seems to be effective for isolated hypoalphalipoproteinemia (4817). Niacinamide has no effect on lipid levels in patients with hyperlipidemia."

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There is still debate on whether flush free (inositol hexaniacinate) niacin improves lipids.

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There is some concern with liver toxicity when using time released niacin:

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ok what i got was sustained release niacin 250mg per cap. I suppose the safest way to mega dose around 1500mg per day with this would be to spread out the dose. I assume that is what can cause liver toxicity? (btw: link didnt load above)..

also this makes it harder to keep niacin dosing far away from other orals and RYR etc

any suggestions?
 
thanks guys. Okay i got regular NON TIME RELEASED niacin by twinlab that is 1000mg per tablet. I think what i will do is take 1000mg off cycle for cholesterol management and 2-3g on cycle for cholesterol maintenance? anyone think I should do something different. I will be taking it in the morning becuase I use RYR at night (cycle support).


oh yea and I've been looking around to find the answer but if anyone figures it out let me know about how to dose p-5-p on cycle for prolactin management. (when using progestins)
 
I have read that if you take aspirin with it, it counters acts the flush.

what is the flush like? is it uncomfortable? anything like a GABA rush? do you think my dosage regime is good? do you think it should be taken at a separate time that non methylated oral ph's or pro steroids like furazadrol or trenaplex? --in your opinion.

how's my dosage plan look?
 
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