Pudz's "Nuttin but a peanut" cycle JOURNAL
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I'm just voting w/ the guys.pudzian2
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yea I garuntee it was from the SD too. I mean it set in within a week of starting superdrol. Damn that stuff is harsh. I must say its strong though. From now on I will stick to short ester gear and try to avoid harsh orals and orals in general.
Xodus
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sfearl1
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i think i'm done with the orals myself. i just don't feel healthy when i'm taking them.
sfearl1
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thats so true. you wouldnt hear me saying that sh1t a year ago though!
SupFatHead
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Stop taking the HCG a couple weeks before PCT. This will allow your leydig cells to re sensitize again, prior to starting PCT.
pudzian2
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Oh well......too late for that. Its something to consider for future cycles. I think what the other guys were saying was that although what you are saying may be true, a 250-500IU shot will not make much of a difference.
Xodus
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Now you guys have me rethinking my SD run at the end...
pudzian2
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for some the pro's outweigh the con's. for me they did not. So my advice to you would be consider another compound. Or just use prop
datBtrue
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Agreed. But I've run inject cycles of long-estered test and I didn't close w/ an oral or short-ester...I just let the blood levels decline after the last inject for a couple of weeks and then started PCT and everything was fine. It was actually a good transition period allowing me to adjust my routine & such for the upcoming PCT.
SupFatHead
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I dont know why but I've always liked more androgenic orals at the end of a cycle for gains.
pudzian2
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I can see where both of you are coming from. It depends how you feel. after longer cycles some (myself included) can be tired out. Also the body can be worn out and more prone to injury. Thats why I can see how the tapering and clearance idea that DatBtrue has used would be good. But for others or under different circumstances using an androgenic oral would be a great way to harden up towards the end.
pistonpump
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ive always thought to use a highly androgenic compound to end but someone told me its best to use as pure an anabolic compound as possible to keep the gains.
Not sure how it goes but compounds that raise SHBG or good or bad for ending as far as recovery goes but i cant remember which.
Not sure how it goes but compounds that raise SHBG or good or bad for ending as far as recovery goes but i cant remember which.
pudzian2
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Well day 1 of PCT. I feel pretty good. Libido is still here. May be too soon to say. But I think that If I get out of the whole (I'm OFF so If anything I will just loose/maintain some mass) mentality than I will end up mentally recovering better. I think thta having the inject gear out of my system for a month and using superdrol and transitioning to epistane (much milder) was a good thing for recovery. Not to mention before cutting the injects I tapered them. I think that this methodology (although it makes the cycle longer) is really beneficial for recovery. We will see as PCT progresses but I have all angles covered with the PCT regime. (outlined earlier in this thread). The only thing I added was IGF-1 and fenugreed (3x/ day 610mg each dose).
*I will never use superdrol again. Too harsh. Works really well but not worth the sides IMO and for my body.
*I will never use superdrol again. Too harsh. Works really well but not worth the sides IMO and for my body.
sfearl1
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this is working good for me! get all of that out of your head now. keep lifting heavy, and don't even think about being off or what you've done the past 15+ weeks and you'll be good. so far, i'm on week 2 and my strength is the same, weight is the same, and i'm feeling decent. i'm not in the same 'all the time good mood' that i had while on test but i'm not having pc blues either so thats a plus.
SupFatHead
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Watch lots of porn...thats my favorite addition to pct.
pudzian2
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its weird. My libido is up! I am actually taking this week off. I am just too burnt out and I have these nagging injuries. The week off will help my body recover both physically and hormonally. I will then start training lightly the following week and working my way back up to the big weights. Its arguable both ways. The heavy lifts boost GH and Test. But they also burn you out. The lighter lifts are easier on the CNS and joints. I'm going to try training and stretching lightly to strengthen stabilizers and joints and then start lifting heavy again. Its too much to consistently lift that heavy. (at least for my joints).
sfearl1
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i was trying to justify lifting heavy in post cycle myself. i figured i would need to keep the lifts up to make the gains stick through the post process then once i feel i'm back to normal maybe ease up a bit and switch my training style.
SupFatHead
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For myself the toughest part of PCT has always been when I actually discontinue my PCT regimen. Meaning if I have a 5 week pct planned then that 6th and 7th week are pretty hard on me....for that reason alone I've extended any and all PCT's.
datBtrue
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I hear you! What I do is a long PCT with a post-PCT which starts before the PCT is over.
Post-PCT involves using Nettle Root to lower SHBG & boost free test. It involves continuation of IGF-1 LR3 use. It involves continued high doses of BCCAs. It involves using no stims & instead relies on cit. malate for gym energy.
It may include several weeks of low dose T3 (12.5mcg). It may include the limited use of an OTC aromatase inhibitor.
One other thing I do if my cycle was long like say 20 weeks...I take a week off at week 19 and when I come back to week 20 my routine is entirely changed...it is a fresh approach & it is something I can continue to adapt and use into and throughout PCT. The end result is that I start PCT newly energized & even though I have to deal w/ the loss of all that extra testosterone I am fresh and actually excited to hit the gym.
SupFatHead
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Thats some pretty solid info across the board. I do a couple of similar things, looking at maybe trying other peptides in the future.
pudzian2
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I disagree on the "no stim part" I am using albuterol (starting at 4mg and increasing as necessary). I believe albuterol has anti-catabolic properties though there hasnt been too much actual research on its use systematically (in humans) as a performance enhancer. I think that it is beneficial for the metabolic boost it provides, which come to think of it is rather synergistic with IGF-1 for up regulating hunger. I have been eating like crazy PCT and mostly craving carbs/sugars (IGF-1 must be working!). It should also help with lipid correction Post cycle, and keep some fat off from the excess calories.....
btw that vid of pudz kicks ass. he is a beast. My joints would fall the F off doing that kind of movement with that kind of weight.
datBtrue
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Good info on albuterol. I've never used it...but is it a stimulant? I was thinking of no stimulants that tap into your CNS (which may take a bit of beating from the cycle). In essence most of the supplements that everyone seems to be using to get "up" for the gym...stuff that will lead to adrenal fatigue.
Your use of albuterol is interesting. I never really considered it for anything but a very poor but safe fat loss substitute for the effective but dangerous clen.
You like to experiment which is great. You'd probably feel right at home w/ the guys at ukiron.
pistonpump
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do they test those worlds strongest man contests? I wonder if the guy uses gear...i mean its incredible either way but man, you would think he would need some help!
pudzian2
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they actually did a "random drug test" on pudz and he failed miserably. I mean c'mon. the other guys probably use a little but they are just big awkward kinda fat strong men. Look at pudz he has a damn good physique, and could easily be a good bber. Plus he holds a title and is strong as a mofo. He was arrested and suspended recently I think for drug use. I was reading it somewhere online.
pudzian2
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I dont even know if its appropriate to call albuterol a poor fat loss drug. I guess it depends. Some say it doesn't compare to the fat loss from clen, others say it beats it. Its individual and dosage dependent I think. I mean, if used correctly, and the anecdotal evidence of its anti-catabolic/anabolic properties prove true....then that on top of its other benefits sure outweigh any sides...... I guess it is experimenting...but I dont see myself creeping much over 8mg which is a tiny dose for alb (considering the body gets accustomed to it so quickly-hence ketotifen or benedryl should be used for a week after 2-3 consecutive weeks of alb{or clen if using that}).
So far I feel great (knock on wood) for PCT after such a long cycle. In fact I dont feel any different. I still look in the mirror and say to myself that If anything I will remain the same and hopefully even continue to improve. I think the mental state is of utmost importance. If you prepare for muscle loss, depression and poor libido...then chances are you will set yourself up for just that. (IMO).
SupFatHead
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I wouldnt call albuterol a stimulant, nor would I call it a fat loss agent. I cant say I've seen any scientific proof that it spares muscle or reduces fat. Most of the bro-telligence on albuterol was from an Anthony Roberts article on it vs clen.
If there's something out there that says otherwise I'd be interested.
If there's something out there that says otherwise I'd be interested.
pudzian2
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then in your opinion what DOES it do for us....
pudzian2
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I want to...but I dont. The end to this cycle hasn't been as clean As i would have liked it to be. im still in great shape but I havent been training much from injuries and being sick. I will consider taking pics once I feel better.....what I would really like to do is save the pics for after Part 2 of this transformation.... Then It will be like WOW! (the transformation was intended to take about 12 months.) (2 cycles and lots of hard ass work)
pudzian2
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haha family guy!..i'll see. rome isnt built in a day. the longer I wait the more astounding the contrast will be.
pudzian2
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I plan to. I will take some pics this weekend to show as a middle pic when its all said and done.
hman85
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Glad to hear!
pudzian2
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so check it out: Im freakin hungry as hell. ya know when you are really hungry and you have that deep feeling in your gut, its almost uncomfortable...(can often lead you to believe you have gas). well ever since I began PCT, and started using IGF-1LR3 at 20mcg EOD, i have been experience quite uncomfortable hunger pangs all day. I will eat every 2 hours or less and consistently crave carbohydrates (sugars). I ate a huge plate of mashed potatoes with ground beef and vegetables, 10 minutes after ate a half of an organic pumpkin pie. (this entire meal was about 45 minutes after having 65g whey and a banana).
Im getting damn sick of food. and the hunger feeling is uncomfortable. I was never this hungry the last time I used IGF-1 (from a different source).
I havent been training this week, as it is the first week of PCT, I am just getting over being sick, and I have some irritated injuries. One possible explanation is that since there is an abundance of IGF-1 receptors on the digestive tract, and possibly not as much IGF-1 binding to my skeletal muscle because Im not working out (weight training upregulates IGF-1 receptor sensitivity unless Im mistaken) then it is making me very hungry and mayben increasing my metabolic rate?
what are other opinions? I hope the pangs settle. I cannot seem to eat too many carbs. I havent been working out, and I havent been eating very clean but yet I am not loosing mass, and somehow the fat is dropping off of my abs. (could be water).....but still I cannot seem to eat too much.
Im getting damn sick of food. and the hunger feeling is uncomfortable. I was never this hungry the last time I used IGF-1 (from a different source).
I havent been training this week, as it is the first week of PCT, I am just getting over being sick, and I have some irritated injuries. One possible explanation is that since there is an abundance of IGF-1 receptors on the digestive tract, and possibly not as much IGF-1 binding to my skeletal muscle because Im not working out (weight training upregulates IGF-1 receptor sensitivity unless Im mistaken) then it is making me very hungry and mayben increasing my metabolic rate?
what are other opinions? I hope the pangs settle. I cannot seem to eat too many carbs. I havent been working out, and I havent been eating very clean but yet I am not loosing mass, and somehow the fat is dropping off of my abs. (could be water).....but still I cannot seem to eat too much.
SupFatHead
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Personally I think you should cut the IGF down to 20mcg bi-lat E3D or even E4D. I know a bro who posts here who basically does this kinda dosing full time and is seeing good results.
I know that when he started he experienced sweating, hunger pangs, etc however it resided over a period of time. And he was low dosing like 20mcg's 2x/week tops. I think the potency of IGF is vastly underrated and its probably better utilized in low doses over a longer period of time.
Dont ask me to support this either...cause I dont have **** to support it besides anecdotal evidence.
pudzian2
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Personally I think you should cut the IGF down to 20mcg bi-lat E3D or even E4D. I know a bro who posts here who basically does this kinda dosing full time and is seeing good results.
I know that when he started he experienced sweating, hunger pangs, etc however it resided over a period of time. And he was low dosing like 20mcg's 2x/week tops. I think the potency of IGF is vastly underrated and its probably better utilized in low doses over a longer period of time.
Dont ask me to support this either...cause I dont have **** to support it besides anecdotal evidence.
yea Ive been doing 20mcg E3D, and the hunger pangs are calming. They were so EFFING annoying. I hated food. I just kept feeling starved all day. Also, alot of gas and sweating etc. it has calmed down a bit. I was thinking about doing 10mcg EOD PWO bi-lat. that would head me more towards less for longer amounts of time....
king1033
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dude ive been following this thread figgen amazing keep it up man i CAN NOT wait to see pictures!!!!
pudzian2
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currently ending week 3 of PCT after 19 weeks Test E and EQ (bookended with 30mg superdrol for 3 weeks).
I get a sharp weird pain in my nipples sometimes when they are brushed up against weird.
PCT is
Torem taper
Dermacrine sustain
Post cycle support
fenugreek
Activate Extreme
Reatain 2
currently using 60mg Tor per day and starting week 4 will use 30-45 mg.
I have ralox and aromasin on hand, and I was thinking of starting ralox tonight at about 30mg (since its with the torem) and seeing if that helps the symptoms subside? what do you think>?
I get a sharp weird pain in my nipples sometimes when they are brushed up against weird.
PCT is
Torem taper
Dermacrine sustain
Post cycle support
fenugreek
Activate Extreme
Reatain 2
currently using 60mg Tor per day and starting week 4 will use 30-45 mg.
I have ralox and aromasin on hand, and I was thinking of starting ralox tonight at about 30mg (since its with the torem) and seeing if that helps the symptoms subside? what do you think>?
pistonpump
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drop the fenugreek, how much are you using?
maybe drop the post cycle support
maybe drop the post cycle support
pistonpump
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how exactly did you dose those things for those 3 weeks...?
pudzian2
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sustain-5 pumps
post cycle support- full dose
fenugreek - 3x 610mg per day
torem- 120/90/60 so far
ACTivate extreme- full dose
retain 2 -full dose
I think its a delayed thing from the superdrol (prolactin)
I ran out of p-5-p and stopped taking it about a week into PCT. I will get some more but in the mean time im doing 300mg B6 twice per day.
In addition to my torem taper I added 30mg Ralox last night,
I will continue at this dose for one more night and then drop it to 15mg and see if that helps.
I have heard that fenugreek can cause such problems too.....(I think prolactin related?) not sure.////
post cycle support- full dose
fenugreek - 3x 610mg per day
torem- 120/90/60 so far
ACTivate extreme- full dose
retain 2 -full dose
I think its a delayed thing from the superdrol (prolactin)
I ran out of p-5-p and stopped taking it about a week into PCT. I will get some more but in the mean time im doing 300mg B6 twice per day.
In addition to my torem taper I added 30mg Ralox last night,
I will continue at this dose for one more night and then drop it to 15mg and see if that helps.
I have heard that fenugreek can cause such problems too.....(I think prolactin related?) not sure.////
sfearl1
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other than that, do you feel like you're recovering pretty well in the nutsack dept.? how's the size and strength? i did post cycle with sustain, drive, and full dose toremifene and i could not have asked for a smoother experience. easy, simple, and has been far more effective than previous post cycles where i threw in like 6 or 8 supps and had no clue what was doing what. i think a huge factor in making me get up to speed so quick was the sustain as i have used both tore and drive before.
pistonpump
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what was your full supplement arsenal during PCT and doses if you dont mind?
I hear you sayin that and im really happy for you, i and everyone else would like to have PCT go the same.