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Noob planning to run epistane

str1

str1

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Hey everyone! I've been lurking on this site for a few weeks. As the subject states, I'm a noob (never used prohormones, been lifting for around 2 years).

I'm 24 years old, I weigh 97kg, stand 189cm tall and according to a bf% caliper test, my bf% is 13.9. In april/may this year I was 88kg and 14.5% bodyfat, since then I have been watching what I eat, but usually just keeping the protein intake high (200-300g per day), and watching the carbs about 80% of the time. And of course, lifting my ass off three days per week, doing a total body routine.

In the last few weeks I've been getting increasingly interested in trying out something more powerful than just the supplements I've been using so far (I've tried things such as various fat burners, tribulus, creatine, and for the last 18 months or so I've been using fish oil in increasing amounts). Protein powder I consider a food, and use when I don't have time to eat proper food.

I came up with a simple cycle which I think is less harsh than what some people have been running with epi, but still pretty hardcore for a noob such as myself, and I would be hoping to get some good gains in body recomp, and strength. Although I don't mind my weight going up, as long as the gains are lean.

Here is my dosing plan:

Mon Tue Wed Thur Fri Sat Sun
Week 1: 20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/10mg
Week 2: 30mg/20mg/30mg/20mg/30mg/20mg/20mg
week 3: 40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/30mg
week 4: 40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/30mg
week 5: 20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/10mg

I lift every monday, wednesday and friday, and figured those days would be good to "pulse" the dosage upwards, and then I decided to add a 5th week to "taper off", in hopes of making the PCT easier. Now I'm not sure this would work, perhaps the extra week would just make me more shut down, and make PCT harder, what do you guys think?

The PCT I had planned would be nolva for 4 weeks:
Week 1: 60mg/60mg/60mg/50mg/50mg/50mg/50mg
Week 2: 40mg/40mg/40mg/30mg/30mg/30mg/30mg
Week 3: 20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg
Week 4: 20mg/20mg/10mg/10mg/10mg/10mg/10mg

Additionally during PCT I was thinking of running 6-OXO Extreme, 1 capsule of HOT ROX Extreme (for anti cortisol purposes) per day, and of course ZMA.

Am I going a bit overboard perhaps with the nolva doses?? I definitely don't want to take any chances.

During cycle I would try and keep my diet not too different from what it is now, which basically is something like 50% protein, 30% fat, 20% carbs, with my carbs centered on breakfast and post workout. I eat 5-6 meals per day usually, spaced out every 2-3 hours if possible.

I am currently in the process of buying everything I need for the cycle, and I plan on running it sometime this spring (or when I have had a couple of months doing squats/deads again, which I can't do right now due to a meniscus injury :sad:).

I highly appreciate any tips/information you vets here can throw my way ;-)
 
In week 5 i would not decrease the dosage, it doesn't really help with the shutdown. either do it at the same doses as week 4 or make it a 4 week cycle. I think the nolva dosages are too high also, It's ok being cautious but in the end can do more harm than good because it's pretty harsh on the liver. But someone more experienced can recommend you better than me.

I quite like the idea of combining a pulse and straight cycle, will be interesting to see how it turns out
 
Thanks for your replies guys. I've been doing a little reading up on PCT, and yes I think the procedure I described above is too harsh -- some people aren't even using a "research material grade" SERM such as Nolva with epi?? I saw some threads with people only using resveratrol-based things like dermacrine sustain? Thoughts on this as a possibility?
 
str1 said:
Thanks for your replies guys. I've been doing a little reading up on post cycle therapy, and yes I think the procedure I described above is too harsh -- some people aren't even using a "research material grade" SERM such as Nolva with epi?? I saw some threads with people only using resveratrol-based things like dermacrine sustain? Thoughts on this as a possibility?
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We have a couple people report to us they are running Epistane and using POST Cycle Support by itself as their post cycle therapy. So far they are looking very very good. Final results will be in a week or two. These are cycles they purchased themselves not sponsored by us.


CROWLER
 
I have taken a resveratrol supplement in the past, stacked with tribulus and zma. I felt it had a slight effect on my libido, mood. The dosages were lower than I would get from Post Cycle Support, so I'm curious about giving it a shot (just read the product page over at anabolicinnovations.com), I think it will probably replace 6-OXO extreme for my PCT.

Still not decided on nolva usage/dosages.. I will definitely get some, to keep on hand in case things start to turn sour.
 
Please keep us posted on what you decide to do and how it goes.

Thanks,


CROWLER
 
str1 said:
Here is my dosing plan:

Mon Tue Wed Thur Fri Sat Sun
Week 1: 20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/10mg
Week 2: 30mg/20mg/30mg/20mg/30mg/20mg/20mg
week 3: 40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/30mg
week 4: 40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/40mg/30mg/30mg
week 5: 20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/20mg/10mg/10mg

I lift every monday, wednesday and friday, and figured those days would be good to "pulse" the dosage upwards, and then I decided to add a 5th week to "taper off", in hopes of making the post cycle therapy easier. Now I'm not sure this would work, perhaps the extra week would just make me more shut down, and make post cycle therapy harder, what do you guys think?
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Heres my opinion, don't run it like that. I don't want to go all out about explaining a pulse but i would go here: Neoborn's Epistane FAQ and re-read this. The dosing scheme you made up seems kinda far fetched, and theres no point of tapering off the last week, thats more for anti-estrogens. No matter the dose any exogenous androgens will aid in HPTA suppression (i know not all but epi will). I'm sure this cycle would put you somewhere between a pulse and a straight cycle, sounds kinda cool, experiment if you want but i would just go with a straight dose (Xmg the whole week). If you wanna run a pulse, do a 3 day a week pulse something like:

10/20/30 (ramp up week)
30/30/30
30-40 x 3
30-40 x 3

Truthfully for PCT it depends the nature of your cycle, for the one you outlined i would run a SERM post cycle, if you run a 3day a week pulse you can run a oct AI post cycle but a low lose serm is still recommended (20/10 tamox citrate) read up here: How to "pulse" orals
 
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Yeah, the taper idea I had (and wasn't sure of) was already debunked on the thread. Regarding pulsing, I have read the pulsing thread, and even if I think it's interesting, I don't think it's the correct route for me. I would rather dose every day and do proper PCT.

The dosing plan wasn't come up with as an attempt to do a "straight" cycle, and get the "benefits" of pulsing. It was just an idea I had to make the cycle slightly stronger, without going to 40mg/day for an entire week. Makes sense to me, anyway :-)

Thanks for your comments guys, but what I'm mostly concerned about is PCT -- which right now I'm getting some mixed responses on.. Maybe I should do a week of Nolva+PCS, then go for 3 more weeks PCS only, and keep the Nolva on hand in case I need it?
 
str1 said:
Yeah, the taper idea I had (and wasn't sure of) was already debunked on the thread. Regarding pulsing, I have read the pulsing thread, and even if I think it's interesting, I don't think it's the correct route for me. I would rather dose every day and do proper post cycle therapy.

The dosing plan wasn't come up with as an attempt to do a "straight" cycle, and get the "benefits" of pulsing. It was just an idea I had to make the cycle slightly stronger, without going to 40mg/day for an entire week. Makes sense to me, anyway :-)

Thanks for your comments guys, but what I'm mostly concerned about is PCT -- which right now I'm getting some mixed responses on.. Maybe I should do a week of Nolva+PCS, then go for 3 more weeks PCS only, and keep the Nolva on hand in case I need it?
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what about 20/10? 2 weeks of tamox and go pcs through it untill you run out
 
Just to let you know that there is an Epistane FAQ if you search on here or google Neoborns Epistane FAQ Q and A baby.

In addition to that I think it looks good and also agree with some of the previous comments.

1. I would probably taper off the Epistane quicker 20, 20, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 for the fifth week.

2. Why are your nolva dosages so high? From what I have been reading / hearing on this board that all the studies etc never seem to go beyond 40mg and mostly stay at around 20mg. So perhaps around Wk1: 40mg 40mg, 40mg, 20, 20, 20, 20mg. and then down 20mg Wk2, Wk3 10mg or ramp down quicker.

I would, as Dinoii would suggest is getting bloodwork after your cycle so you can design a PCT relative to your shutdown etc.

I would recommend Adding in Post Cycle Support and also for your Post Post Cycle Therapy ramp up with Formestane / penetrate as you are ramping down the Nolva, continue for month or so after Nolva is done.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
I like Drksuns post. :thumbsup:

Most of your gains will come

1. Pulse cycle: week 4 +

2. ED cycle end of week 2, 3 and taper off 4

I should say majority. Personally I favor the Pulse for a nice longer cycle, and slow steady gains.

Formestane FTW!!!

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
Thanks guys for your responses! I have read some (the?) Epistane FAQ thread, and there was *a lot* of good info. So much in fact, that my head was spinning after a few pages ;-)

The reason for the harsh PCT I had originally planned, was because the only guy I talked to who had used Epistane said he got pretty shut down and used a strong PCT plan with high nolva doses for the first couple of days, and well, it fixed him right up ;-)

I guess paranoia is contagious :p ... But well, I wasn't sure if I was being too paranoid, so I decided to post here to get some input from the pro's (as I said, I've been lurking here, reading epistane logs, etc..).

P.S.
On another note (I'm not planning on this right now), what do you guys think about stacking epistane with dianabol? Too my noob eyes it seems like a damn good combination, dbol being pretty wet and probably benefitting from the anti-e effects of epistane? (Just thinking for future possibilities, because dbol is very easy to get where I'm from..).
 
str1 said:
Thanks guys for your responses! I have read some (the?) Epistane FAQ thread, and there was *a lot* of good info. So much in fact, that my head was spinning after a few pages ;-)

The reason for the harsh post cycle therapy I had originally planned, was because the only guy I talked to who had used Epistane said he got pretty shut down and used a strong PCT plan with high nolva doses for the first couple of days, and well, it fixed him right up ;-)

I guess paranoia is contagious :p ... But well, I wasn't sure if I was being too paranoid, so I decided to post here to get some input from the pro's (as I said, I've been lurking here, reading epistane logs, etc..).

P.S.
On another note (I'm not planning on this right now), what do you guys think about stacking epistane with dianabol? Too my noob eyes it seems like a damn good combination, dbol being pretty wet and probably benefitting from the anti-e effects of epistane? (Just thinking for future possibilities, because dbol is very easy to get where I'm from..).
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those are both methyls, and it's not like tamoxifen is any better for your liver.. just a though
 
drksun said:
those are both methyls, and it's not like tamoxifen is any better for your liver.. just a though
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Not debating what you said, but .... Well, I don't think I'm the first person to wonder about stacking two methylated orals... then again I think dianabol and epistane are much milder on your liver than some other methyls? (According to what I've seen here people say epi for example is much milder than M1T or Superdrol...).

One reason I'm asking is because a friend is planning to run a mild dbol only cycle, and I have been thinking whether it would make sense for him to run epi with it? But heck, maybe it just doesn't :think:
 
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