Guest viewing is limited

CHOLESTEROL Proactive-ness (attn. Steroid Users)

pudzian2

Banned
I would just like to hear what people do, have done, have or have had success with as far as maintain a healthy lipid profile through different phases of dieting, cycling, life etc.

please list:

-do you use anabolic steroids
-your dietary and supplement regimes for maintaining or attaining a healthy cholesterol profile
-(if you use AAS, list ON cycle strategies apart from OFF cycle strategies)
 
-no
-fish oil, EVOO, sesathin, ALA, NAC, FiberOne, Oats, 6-8 servings of broccoli/cauliflower
-same, with the addition of policosinol
 
1. Yes, I use moderately.
2. I use fish oil, EVOO, RYR, tons of fiber, and aged garlic extract. I also do cardio all year long and I believe this is extremely important as well.
3. On cycle strategy and off cycle strategy aren't different. I will avoid Winny though because it's allegedly bad on cholesterol level. Maybe that will change in the future but I'll keep it simple at the moment.
 
pudzian2 said:
I would just like to hear what people do, have done, have or have had success with as far as maintain a healthy lipid profile through different phases of dieting, cycling, life etc.

please list:

-do you use anabolic steroids
-your dietary and supplement regimes for maintaining or attaining a healthy cholesterol profile
-(if you use anabolic steroids, list ON cycle strategies apart from OFF cycle strategies)
Click to expand...

1. you betcha
2. large amounts of fish oil, large amounts of aspirin, red yeast rice, fiber supplement, garlic garlic garlic (i reek of garlic)
3. same thing
 
here is what I do:

sesathin
modest fish oil
EVOO
fiberous foods
will be using garlic more often (supplement probably)
RYR
(not too many veggies-unfortunately)
CLA (sometimes)
 
1. my chinchilla does 2 cycles per year.
2. nothing unique here: cruciferous veggies, megadosed fish oil, evoo (only oil i use), 4 cups of oats per day.
3. add: ryr
 
cardio elevates you HDL (good cholesterol), omega-3's lower triglycerides, and monounsaturated fats and fiber lower LDL's and Total cholesterol.
 
How does asprin help?
 
I think most stuff has been mentioned. I'll occasionally throw in some albuterol as it supposedly improves lipid levels. I dont do it merely for the reason of improving lipids however.

Lol, when I first saw this thread I thought it was about Proactive face wash so I thought maybe there would be some Jessica Simpson pics in here...
 
Travis said:
I think most stuff has been mentioned. I'll occasionally throw in some albuterol as it supposedly improves lipid levels. I dont do it merely for the reason of improving lipids however.

Lol, when I first saw this thread I thought it was about Proactive face wash so I thought maybe there would be some Jessica Simpson pics in here...
Click to expand...

Yes at Alb. and Lipid levels. Here is the study, seeing as how I was posting links for that Alb. thread, I thought I'd share it here too.

Invalid Link Removed["]Invalid Link Removed

It's interesting to see that there was a pronounced decrease in bad cholesterol, while good cholesterol increased, with decreased total cholesterol.

Because of this characteristic, a small dose of it might be useful on nearly any cycle.
 
Marc-Antony said:
Yes at Alb. and Lipid levels. Here is the study, seeing as how I was posting links for that Alb. thread, I thought I'd share it here too.

Invalid Link Removed["]Invalid Link Removed

It's interesting to see that there was a pronounced decrease in bad cholesterol, while good cholesterol increased, with decreased total cholesterol.

Because of this characteristic, a small dose of it might be useful on nearly any cycle.
Click to expand...

I used albuterol standalone before and proved this with my bloodowork. HOWEVER, it seemed to lower my HDL a little too. I dont know how it would work differently with steroids.

It may be a good investment on cycle, but at what dose? 4mg?
 
pudzian2 said:
here is what I do:

sesathin
modest fish oil
EVOO
fiberous foods
will be using garlic more often (supplement probably)
RYR
(not too many veggies-unfortunately)
CLA (sometimes)
Click to expand...

I forgot to mention that I take NOW foods' Niacin and Folic acid 2x per day (with breakfast and before bed)
 
pudzian2 said:
I forgot to mention that I take NOW foods' Niacin and Folic acid 2x per day (with breakfast and before bed)
Click to expand...

I don't think you want to be taking (high doses) of Niacin AND RYR together.

Also, No flush Niacin can be sort of harsh on your liver. Besides, I like the flush.

X
 
pudzian2 said:
I used albuterol standalone before and proved this with my bloodowork. HOWEVER, it seemed to lower my HDL a little too. I dont know how it would work differently with steroids.

It may be a good investment on cycle, but at what dose? 4mg?
Click to expand...

Well, in that one particular study, they used Proventil Repetabs (Extended-release tablets ), 8 mg twice daily.

So that's a total of 16mg. What really matters though, is that those are extended release tabs. So to get that same hypocholesterolemian effect you will have te dose it 3-4 times a day, from 1 to 4mg/intake.

Determining the best dose, is gonna depend on each individual situation, compounds used, genetic background, and so on.

I like to repeat this, but doses as low as 2mg/day do indeed show alb's positive effects on various characteristics. There is no need to go over board.

In the end, ppl will most probably experience the best results with doses of 8-12mg/day on cycle, for no longer than 6-10 weeks.

But in the end, I am no expert everybody will have to experience for themselves starting at a split 4mg/day.
 
Xodus said:
I don't think you want to be taking (high doses) of Niacin AND RYR together.

Also, No flush Niacin can be sort of harsh on your liver. Besides, I like the flush.

X
Click to expand...

do you discourage against the use of niacin? do you feel its benefits arent that significant on lipids? becuase, I would rather not use something marginally effective that is also puttin my liver under stress. Also, I dont use HIGH doses of RYR.. I take half a serving of cycle support a day. (1 scoop)...so I dont think that woudl be a large issue.

but still....now I'm a little concerned. I may just drop them completely
 
Marc-Antony said:
Well, in that one particular study, they used Proventil Repetabs (Extended-release tablets ), 8 mg twice daily.

So that's a total of 16mg. What really matters though, is that those are extended release tabs. So to get that same hypocholesterolemian effect you will have te dose it 3-4 times a day, from 1 to 4mg/intake.

Determining the best dose, is gonna depend on each individual situation, compounds used, genetic background, and so on.

I like to repeat this, but doses as low as 2mg/day do indeed show alb's positive effects on various characteristics. There is no need to go over board.

In the end, ppl will most probably experience the best results with doses of 8-12mg/day on cycle, for no longer than 6-10 weeks.

But in the end, I am no expert everybody will have to experience for themselves starting at a split 4mg/day.
Click to expand...

yea I figured like 12mg/day total...thats interesting
 
pudzian2 said:
do you discourage against the use of niacin? do you feel its benefits arent that significant on lipids? becuase, I would rather not use something marginally effective that is also puttin my liver under stress. Also, I dont use HIGH doses of RYR.. I take half a serving of cycle support a day. (1 scoop)...so I dont think that woudl be a large issue.

but still....now I'm a little concerned. I may just drop them completely
Click to expand...

No, I love Niacin! It has a very good impact on lipids, sometimes better than RYR. It can lower overall cholesterol and raise HDL at the right doses. Where as RYR just lowers total. I'm pretty sure that you are not suppose to take them at the same time.

I'll see if I can dig something up.

X
 
Xodus said:
No, I love Niacin! It has a very good impact on lipids, sometimes better than RYR. It can lower overall cholesterol and raise HDL at the right doses. Where as RYR just lowers total. I'm pretty sure that you are not suppose to take them at the same time.

I'll see if I can dig something up.

X
Click to expand...

okay great. I will check the exact doses I'm using and when. Maybe I will just take it once daily in the morning (when I do not use RYR)
 
Xodus said:
No, I love Niacin! It has a very good impact on lipids, sometimes better than RYR. It can lower overall cholesterol and raise HDL at the right doses. Where as RYR just lowers total. I'm pretty sure that you are not suppose to take them at the same time.

I'll see if I can dig something up.

X
Click to expand...


Red Yiest Rice contains several compounds collectively known as Monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis; Milk thistle, St. John's wort, niacin, thyroid medications, blood pressure lowering medications and vitamin A may interact with red yeast rice extract. So caution is advised as it may cause kidney damage.
 
Marc-Antony said:
Red Yiest Rice contains several compounds collectively known as Monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis; Milk thistle, St. John's wort, niacin, thyroid medications, blood pressure lowering medications and vitamin A may interact with red yeast rice extract. So caution is advised as it may cause kidney damage.
Click to expand...


that is VERY interesting.....AI's cycle support has MILK THISTLE, HAWTHORN (blood pressure), AND RYR in it........

so even if I took niacin in the AM and the cycle support in the PM....the RYR still has the potential to interact with the other ingredients of cycle support....maybe I will switch to their life support. Its the same minus the RYR and the doses are less.
 
pudzian2 said:
that is VERY interesting.....AI's cycle support has MILK THISTLE, HAWTHORN (blood pressure), AND RYR in it........

so even if I took niacin in the AM and the cycle support in the PM....the RYR still has the potential to interact with the other ingredients of cycle support....maybe I will switch to their life support. Its the same minus the RYR and the doses are less.
Click to expand...

Just one thing, I said "caution is advised as it may cause kidney damage", while it's true for supplements interacting with liver's P450 cytochrome (such as alcohol for example, I know alcohol is not a supplement, but many ppl like to have a sip during the week ends, personaly, I don't drink, but I am sure some ppl do) , interaction between Niacin, and RYR, to be exact, may leed to kindey as well as muscle damage. (no scientific researches have been conducted to confirm this, but evidence is pointing in that direction).

I have also read that RYR may increase the risk of bleeding, if taken with supplements that are believed to increase risk of bleeding such as Gingko Biloba, even (in fewer cases) with garlic, and saw palmetto. Again, this hasn't been proven though.

Personally, I've decided to stay away from RYR.
 
Marc-Antony said:
Red Yiest Rice contains several compounds collectively known as Monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis; Milk thistle, St. John's wort, niacin, thyroid medications, blood pressure lowering medications and vitamin A may interact with red yeast rice extract. So caution is advised as it may cause kidney damage.
Click to expand...


FDA forced a lot(all?) RYR manufacturers to replace the statins with Policosonal or they just changed the fermentation process of the yeast and it no longer is a statin. Complete and utter crap being able to apply 'patent infringement/intellectual property rights' on something nearly 2000 years old.

I like doing RYR in the morning and Niacin (1000mg-1500mg) at night. You can go as high as 4500mg of Niacin for cholesterol control.

Milk thistle is still good to help repair liver damage.

I want to start using Liv 52.

X
 
pudzian2 said:
that is VERY interesting.....AI's cycle support has MILK THISTLE, HAWTHORN (blood pressure), AND RYR in it........

so even if I took niacin in the AM and the cycle support in the PM....the RYR still has the potential to interact with the other ingredients of cycle support....maybe I will switch to their life support. Its the same minus the RYR and the doses are less.
Click to expand...

They sell cycle support without RYR too.
I don't think Nutra carries it though.


Life Support has (or had the last time I used it) RYR in it. Just 1/2 the dose (600mg?).



X
 
Xodus said:
They sell cycle support without RYR too.
I don't think Nutra carries it though.


Life Support has (or had the last time I used it) RYR in it. Just 1/2 the dose (600mg?).



X
Click to expand...

o yea! i got mixed up. I think you have to email someone or call to order cycle support without RYR....I think I will be getting that from now on and including a bit of RYR separately in the morning like you do.
 
jomi822 said:
1. you betcha
2. large amounts of fish oil, large amounts of aspirin, red yeast rice, fiber supplement, garlic garlic garlic (i reek of garlic)
3. same thing
Click to expand...

hey jomi bro, just to let you know there have been a few recent studies that point to garlic having no beneficial effect on cholesterol.

(Invalid Link Removed)

Just thought i'd let you know to save your garlic breath.
 
pudzian2 said:
that is VERY interesting.....AI's cycle support has MILK THISTLE, HAWTHORN (blood pressure), AND RYR in it........

so even if I took niacin in the AM and the cycle support in the PM....the RYR still has the potential to interact with the other ingredients of cycle support....maybe I will switch to their life support. Its the same minus the RYR and the doses are less.
Click to expand...

We now have a version of Cycle Support which does not have RYR in it.

It should be up for sale at Nutra Planet by tomrrow. :bruce1:

Life support has the RYR as it is a capped version of the original Cycle Support.

I haven't seen anyone mention plant sterols or did I miss it?


CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
We now have a version of Cycle Support which does not have RYR in it.

It should be up for sale at Nutra Planet by tomrrow. :bruce1:


CROWLER
Click to expand...

Excellent!


X
 
CROWLER said:
We now have a version of Cycle Support which does not have RYR in it.

It should be up for sale at Nutra Planet by tomrrow. :bruce1:


CROWLER
Click to expand...

yea i've heard it was available for a while, I though it was special order or something. That's great that its gonna be on NP...thanks
 
It is now in stock at Nutra Planet.

Picture is wrong, the label is actually green and says that it does NOT have RYR in it.

Invalid Link Removed

Thanks!


CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
It is now in stock at Nutra Planet.

Picture is wrong, the label is actually green and says that it does NOT have RYR in it.

Invalid Link Removed

Thanks!


CROWLER
Click to expand...


Awesome ... Thank you Anabolic Innovation. I did have a chat about it with Zboy who told me that the without version was available, so thx again.
 
pudzian2 said:
yes very curious
Click to expand...

It's called American Whey. Tastes pretty good in the chocolate with skim milk. It's a little sweeter tasting than the Champion and Optimum which I've used for years. Even if you didn't like it, there are still other brands that are much lower than 30mg/serving which is ridiculous.
 
Ribo68 said:
It's called American Whey. Tastes pretty good in the chocolate with skim milk. It's a little sweeter tasting than the Champion and Optimum which I've used for years. Even if you didn't like it, there are still other brands that are much lower than 30mg/serving which is ridiculous.
Click to expand...

thanks man ill check into it
 
chan_ho_nam said:
Ahh...thats a good idea. What do you think about Tore during a cycle to keep HDL/LDL in check?
Click to expand...

SERMS are still somewhat toxic. People use Nolva on cycle for gyn and to help with lipids.....I prefer an AI (specifically aromasin)...but if you wanna pay...tor would be a good option ON cycle IMO...
 
pudzian2 said:
thanks man ill check into it
Click to expand...

Looked at the jug a little closer today. The maker is American Sports Nutrition and the protein is called Bargain Whey. The jug looks like a 2.2 lb one but it is 5 lbs so don't get upset when it comes.:)
 
Ribo68 said:
Looked at the jug a little closer today. The maker is American Sports Nutrition and the protein is called Bargain Whey. The jug looks like a 2.2 lb one but it is 5 lbs so don't get upset when it comes.:)
Click to expand...

awesome man. I appreciate it
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top