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Mega-Dosing Anabolic-Pump

Highlanda01602

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I have a few questions about going above the recommended dosage for AP, not in the sense as more than 1 cap per meal, but more than 3 caps per day.

I'm considering that it may be more effective, for training, to be eating carbohydrates in each of every 6 meals of the day. I train endurance with lots of cardio, and I have been "carb-loading" 3 times a day to get in around 350-400g carbohydates daily.

Would it be advisable to take UP TO 6 AP's a day(one for each of my six meals)? And have around 50-75g carbs with each meal. Would there be something to worry about, aside from the cost increase?

Is there anything to be gained by doing so? Looking for effects on recovery and endurance....

I'm currently also using Powerfull, if that at all madders.

Thanks.
 
It may not be necessary because the T 1/2 of AP is 4-6 hours. Maybe add in some P-Slin for pre-WO instead of increasing your dose of AP.
 
yeah dude, AP is some potent stuff. I sometimes only take 2 caps per day because 3 makes me hypoglycemic.
 
Rodja said:
It may not be necessary because the T 1/2 of AP is 4-6 hours. Maybe add in some P-Slin for pre-WO instead of increasing your dose of AP.
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Hmm... so the 15 mins beforehand is somewhat or a general rule just for absorbtion? Then you have somewhere around a few hours to eat carbs and still get the effects of AP?

Currently I actually do use P-Slin as well - does it have a longer 1/2 than AP?

Thanks guys
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Hmm... so the 15 mins beforehand is somewhat or a general rule just for absorbtion? Then you have somewhere around a few hours to eat carbs and still get the effects of AP?

Currently I actually do use P-Slin as well - does it have a longer 1/2 than AP?

Thanks guys
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I use AP 4 times on off days and 3 tmes on workout days with Plsin used Pre workou. It took me 7 months to increase the dosage.

15 minutes is give AP a head start to translocate GLUT4 by the time you metabolize carbohydrates. The muscles are ready to absorb and subsquently less inslun will be needed.
 
Would you say that "carb-loading" after AP is unneccessary? Would carbs throughout the day, in six meals or so, still utilize the effects of AP?

I would still "carb-load" on P-Slin pre-workout meal, but the remaining of my six meals would contain somewhere around 50-75g carbs.

So for example, here would be an example of a diet:
Meal One - AP + 60g carbs
Meal Two - 60g carbs
Meal Three (pre-workout) - P-Slin + ~100g carbs
Meal Four (post-post workout)- AP + 60g carbs
Meal Five - 60g carbs
Meal Six - 60g carbs

Currently, using "carb-loading", I've been going with around 120g carbs in meal (1), (3), and (4). Minimal carbs on other meals, such as <10g. If spacing out the carbs is better, I'll switch to that immediately. I'd think for glycogen stores and all it would be better?

It was stated before that the 1/2 of AP is 4-6 hours... so if I spread out AP/P-Slin throughout the day I will be covered to eat carbs in every meal still utilizing the effects?

Thanks!
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Would you say that "carb-loading" after AP is unneccessary? Would carbs throughout the day, in six meals or so, still utilize the effects of AP?

I would still "carb-load" on P-Slin pre-workout meal, but the remaining of my six meals would contain somewhere around 50-75g carbs.

So for example, here would be an example of a diet:
Meal One - AP + 60g carbs
Meal Two - 60g carbs
Meal Three (pre-workout) - P-Slin + ~100g carbs
Meal Four (post-post workout)- AP + 60g carbs
Meal Five - 60g carbs
Meal Six - 60g carbs

Currently, using "carb-loading", I've been going with around 120g carbs in meal (1), (3), and (4). Minimal carbs on other meals, such as <10g. If spacing out the carbs is better, I'll switch to that immediately. I'd think for glycogen stores and all it would be better?

It was stated before that the 1/2 of AP is 4-6 hours... so if I spread out AP/P-Slin throughout the day I will be covered to eat carbs in every meal still utilizing the effects?

Thanks!
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what is you goal? I would use AP with the Last meal of the day since carbohydrates later in the day are harder to process. Since PSLIN is pretty powerful, I would not use AP post workout and switch it to Meal 5.

Again depends on your goals.


Before AP Did your metabolize carbohydrates well?
 
USPLabs said:
what is you goal? I would use AP with the Last meal of the day since carbohydrates later in the day are harder to process. Since PSLIN is pretty powerful, I would not use AP post workout and switch it to Meal 5.

Again depends on your goals.


Before AP Did your metabolize carbohydrates well?
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My goal is overall endurance and conditioning. Training to get my 5K/10K run times down, while doing crossfit inspired workouts in the gym 3 times a week minimum. I do a lot of bodyweight exercises 4-6 times a week, such as pushups/pullups/abs for overall conditioning and ability.
My goals are entirely dependant on my abilities as well. I don't even have a scale to measure body weight, nevermind calipers. Results on the track and in the gym are my main focus.

Before AP/P-Slin, I'm not sure how I metabolized carbohydrates. I'm assuming well, I guess, as I've never really had bad things I suppose happen when I ate carbs. I've been using AP/P-Slin for the added effects, with carbohydrate utilization. Using for endurance and recovery purposes. Does that fit into AP's category of results? Or would I be better suited spending my money elsewhere? Not knocking AP, as it's a great product, but I have yet to really see any other endurance focused training program include AP/P-Slin. I still plan on taking Powerfull throughout my training.
 
Highlanda01602 said:
My goal is overall endurance and conditioning. Training to get my 5K/10K run times down, while doing crossfit inspired workouts in the gym 3 times a week minimum. I do a lot of bodyweight exercises 4-6 times a week, such as pushups/pullups/abs for overall conditioning and ability.
My goals are entirely dependant on my abilities as well. I don't even have a scale to measure body weight, nevermind calipers. Results on the track and in the gym are my main focus.

Before AP/P-Slin, I'm not sure how I metabolized carbohydrates. I'm assuming well, I guess, as I've never really had bad things I suppose happen when I ate carbs. I've been using AP/P-Slin for the added effects, with carbohydrate utilization. Using for endurance and recovery purposes. Does that fit into AP's category of results? Or would I be better suited spending my money elsewhere? Not knocking AP, as it's a great product, but I have yet to really see any other endurance focused training program include AP/P-Slin. I still plan on taking Powerfull throughout my training.
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Endurance wise I do not see a better product on the market legal or illegal. You want performance, endurance, and recovery then AP/Pslin is the ticket.

Do not be afraid to increase carbohydrates content especially pre and post meals on running days.

The setup looks great but like I said do not be afraid to experiement with different dosing protocols and tinkering with carbohydate amounts.

How long have you been using AP and Pslin?
 
USPLabs said:
Endurance wise I do not see a better product on the market legal or illegal. You want performance, endurance, and recovery then AP/Pslin is the ticket.

Do not be afraid to increase carbohydrates content especially pre and post meals on running days.

The setup looks great but like I said do not be afraid to experiement with different dosing protocols and tinkering with carbohydate amounts.

How long have you been using AP and Pslin?
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Actually, I think I have been holding off a bit on carbs now that I really think about it. I'll definitly kick it up a notch, maybe a bit closer to 500g daily, rather than the ~400g (on workout days of course).

I used AP last year, got some great gains in the gym, and then got back on it along with P-Slin around a month ago. Have felt some great results, but I've also changed my workout routine dramatically. Looking forward to upping my carb take!
(Edit, 15 mins after writing this, I just consumed ~200g carbs... lol... feelin gooooooood. I'm going to run with this for a few days, and see how I feel. Endurance and stamina have been an issue for several of my recent runs - this may definitly help!)
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Actually, I think I have been holding off a bit on carbs now that I really think about it. I'll definitly kick it up a notch, maybe a bit closer to 500g daily, rather than the ~400g (on workout days of course).

I used AP last year, got some great gains in the gym, and then got back on it along with P-Slin around a month ago. Have felt some great results, but I've also changed my workout routine dramatically. Looking forward to upping my carb take!
(Edit, 15 mins after writing this, I just consumed ~200g carbs... lol... feelin gooooooood. I'm going to run with this for a few days, and see how I feel. Endurance and stamina have been an issue for several of my recent runs - this may definitly help!)
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I've learned the more carbohydrates you eat with pre workout meal. The longer you should wait to workout.

If I eat 1 75 grams oats with 25 grams of sugar then I wait almost 2 hours to workout. Of course everyone is individual.

Do you drink carbs during your run?
 
USPLabs said:
I've learned the more carbohydrates you eat with pre workout meal. The longer you should wait to workout.

If I eat 1 75 grams oats with 25 grams of sugar then I wait almost 2 hours to workout. Of course everyone is individual.

Do you drink carbs during your run?
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No, not during my running sessions. I just bring my BCAA's, but I don't even break for drinking mid-session... just before and after. I actually stay away from any food within an hour or running if possible... lately I've had some annoying digestive problems mid run, especially on my speed days. Completely can destroy a good run... not fun man. However, I'm speaking in regards to whole foods - havn't tried a liquid carbohydrate form yet, simple or complex (don't even use Gatorade).

Today I actually did the same thing, I waited two hours before my workout. Used P-Slin and had a large 120g bowl of delicious oatmeal, but errands kept me busy for a good two hours before I could get to the gym. Nonetheless, I had the same great effects from P-Slin during my workout! Good stuff.
 
theseus said:
I took 3 caps of AP with no carbs one morning and didnt feel anything.
IMO this stuff is weak.
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The whole point of AP is to take it with carbs. It even says it on the bottle.

I took AP for about 2 months straight at 3 caps a day and had some of the best results I've ever had. My weight went up about 7 pounds from 197 to 204 but I got noticeably more definition in my abs. I stopped taking it to try some other stuff because I'm a college student and can only afford to buy a few things each month but I'm definitely going to buy the AP/PSLIN stack sometime soon.
 
When doing the trial, I got sick after three weeks with a cold and then flu, and stopped AP/P-slin. So I had a dozen or so pills left.
Since I never felt anything 'working', I wanted to see if I would feel hypo with no carbs and 3 AP. And as I said, I felt nothing. It was first thing in the morning with 50g MPI. If it had effects on insulin, you'd think I might feel slighty hypo. But I didnt.

I get hypo with Na-r-ala from time to time after taking too few carbs, so I know im relatively sensitive.
 
theseus said:
When doing the trial, I got sick after three weeks with a cold and then flu, and stopped AP/P-slin. So I had a dozen or so pills left.
Since I never felt anything 'working', I wanted to see if I would feel hypo with no carbs and 3 AP. And as I said, I felt nothing. It was first thing in the morning with 50g MPI. If it had effects on insulin, you'd think I might feel slighty hypo. But I didnt.

I get hypo with Na-r-ala from time to time after taking too few carbs, so I know im relatively sensitive.
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Individual response to supplements differs, that is sure. I am the exact opposite of you; Na-R-Ala has never had any effect whatsoever for me, and AP and Yellow Gold give me fantastic results. Not every product is for every person.
 
theseus said:
When doing the trial, I got sick after three weeks with a cold and then flu, and stopped AP/P-slin. So I had a dozen or so pills left.
Since I never felt anything 'working', I wanted to see if I would feel hypo with no carbs and 3 AP. And as I said, I felt nothing. It was first thing in the morning with 50g MPI. If it had effects on insulin, you'd think I might feel slighty hypo. But I didnt.

I get hypo with Na-r-ala from time to time after taking too few carbs, so I know im relatively sensitive.
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Huge misconception is that AP has an effect on insulin. AP acts like insulin to signal GLUT4 in muscle cells. You would need less insulin. Hypo is not a direct link to AP working although some will "feel" hypo.

ALA potentiates insulin release.
 
I would like to thank USP Labs for standing behind the company and being extra generous and understanding with my prior experiences with AP. I am going to give AP and P-Slin a go ahead with my current supplement stack.

I'm starting today and I just took AP before my morning meal. I am not going to worry about carb consumption with the meals the follow my AP/P-Slin dosing. I had 1 cap of AP before breakfast which was 8oz. of turkey breast, 1 yam, 1/2 cup of squash, 1/2 cup of carrots. Of my 6 meals, 3 of them will have the carbs required for maximizing the effects of AP/P-Slin. The meals following AP will have atleast 50 grams of carbs, and about 30-40 grams of protein, and some fish oil.

I'm going to see how my body responds to this combo. Thanks again USP Labs and all of it's reps.
 
Force of Green said:
I would like to thank USP Labs for standing behind the company and being extra generous and understanding with my prior experiences with AP. I am going to give AP and P-Slin a go ahead with my current supplement stack.

I'm starting today and I just took AP before my morning meal. I am not going to worry about carb consumption with the meals the follow my AP/P-Slin dosing. I had 1 cap of AP before breakfast which was 8oz. of turkey breast, 1 yam, 1/2 cup of squash, 1/2 cup of carrots. Of my 6 meals, 3 of them will have the carbs required for maximizing the effects of AP/P-Slin. The meals following AP will have atleast 50 grams of carbs, and about 30-40 grams of protein, and some fish oil.

I'm going to see how my body responds to this combo. Thanks again USP Labs and all of it's reps.
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No problem FOG. If you have any issues, or want/need/care for tips on maximizing feel free to PM Jacob or I.
 
I wouldn't go over 4 caps a day, that's my normal intake of AP, but it really depends on your carb intake, i tried doing 6 caps and i was just going hypo all the time, i think 4 caps tops is more than enough. You want more then do as suggested above and add P-slin pre-workout.
 
For me it's:

1 PSlin AM with 2 Super Cissus

1 AP mid morning

1 PSLin pre workout with 1 cap Powerfull/ 1 cap Super Cissus

1 AP Post workout

1 AP before bed with 2 caps Powerfull

That's how I like it:bb:
 
grexx said:
For me it's:

1 PSlin AM with 2 Super Cissus

1 AP mid morning

1 PSLin pre workout with 1 cap Powerfull/ 1 cap Super Cissus

1 AP Post workout

1 AP before bed with 2 caps Powerfull

That's how I like it:bb:
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Yea and your also a monster in a human costume,lol. You hit 3bills yet Grexx?
 
I normally don't 'feel' things I take.

Well, I was taking 2pslin and 2AP per day and feeling really rundown. I classically get that way when I haven't been eating well, or have not been eating enough. Well, after moving both down to 1 per day my energy is back. I'd say that overdoing it is probably bad unless you consume major amount of carbs per day. I wouldn't take more then 1 of either per 150g carbs. That's about the point when I start feeling hypo all day.
 
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