larue38462
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Just wondering if anyone could shed some light for me. It seems like a decent product that isn't too harsh. I'm guesssing the gains will be mild as well. Just wondering if its worth the cash.
Just wondering if anyone could shed some light for me. It seems like a decent product that isn't too harsh. I'm guesssing the gains will be mild as well. Just wondering if its worth the cash.
its just DHEA (prasterone) and ATD (an AI) and some herbal test boosters.
its not harsh at all, in fact ill be surprised if you even make any decent gains off it.
stick with the basics, or if you want use Jungle warfare or something.
Just wondering if anyone could shed some light for me. It seems like a decent product that isn't too harsh. I'm guesssing the gains will be mild as well. Just wondering if its worth the cash.
Also wondering if any of you guys have ran bold or bold 200 and how it worked out if you did.
If you have to be careful with what you take due to being in the military Bold is probably a poor choice...it's a direct precursor to BOLDenone.
You might just want to stick with Epi if it hasn't raised any flags yet...just look into pulsing it if you're looking for a more mild cycle. You could also look into natty test boosters like Activate...hell, for thirty five bucks you could get a month's worth of bulk nettle and Alpha Drive from NP.
What are your goals now...maybe I/we can make some better suggestions if you let us know that first.
I'm sittin at 197 right now and I'm in the middle of a creatine cycle, which means I'll probably drop about 5 of it when I end it like always. My bench is stuck at 280 so I'd like to break through my plateau and add some lean mass in the process. Like I said, I don't want to get in trouble with the Navy. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
the military doesnt test for steroids.
unless though, they suspect you have been using it.
The military can test for steroids at any time. I'm in the military. I don't want to take anything illegal, hence the question. Any input would be appreciated.
The military can test for steroids at any time. I'm in the military. I don't want to take anything illegal, hence the question. Any input would be appreciated.
my brother is in the national guard and they didnt test him at all.
hes a specialist
and the PH's sold at nutra are not illegal at all
that being said you may be able to take something like epistane, but if you dont want to risk having
higher t to e ratios that will make you test positive if in case you do get tested
you can take something such as e-form and a good test booster (mass fx, activate, etc)
people have had pretty decent results from that.
btw e form is like 15 bucks? thats a really great price. Dosages can be 5 sprays at morning and 5 sprays at night
and then taper off on the last week or week and a half.
dont try and associate national guard with active duty... the rules and processes are the same... except for one thing.. national guard are **** bags who show up for the free paycheck... but im sure he'll never get drug tested.. hopefully he'll never go active duty
national guard are **** bags who show up for the free paycheck...
Sweet. So what does that make the Army? ****bags who show up a day late and a dollar short after the Marines clear the way?
:lol:
:lol: Me? No. I served in the IDF, not here. Just poking fun at Mr. Army Strong.
dont try and associate national guard with active duty... the rules and processes are the same... except for one thing.. national guard are **** bags who show up for the free paycheck... but im sure he'll never get drug tested.. hopefully he'll never go active duty
Yeah I just showed up and lo and behold they sent me to IRAQ for a year and a half. We don't do it for the check ****head. Most of us are prior service with tours to prove it. There is a difference. But it also says US ARMY over my pocket too D*CK!dont try and associate national guard with active duty... the rules and processes are the same... except for one thing.. national guard are **** bags who show up for the free paycheck... but im sure he'll never get drug tested.. hopefully he'll never go active duty
Yeah I just showed up and lo and behold they sent me to IRAQ for a year and a half. We don't do it for the check ****head. Most of us are prior service with tours to prove it. There is a difference. But it also says US ARMY over my pocket too D*CK!
The military can test for steroids at any time. I'm in the military. I don't want to take anything illegal, hence the question. Any input would be appreciated.
With the recent threads popping up everywhere like " Can I take creatine" or can I take XXXXX im leaving for ( insert branch of service here). I decided to post this thread in hopes I can cut down on these questions. Im not a know all, Im only speaking from experience, research and hear say from seniority. This is not a tell all guide but it should help ease any crazy clutter on the board.
First thing first, This is a quote from this board and is not my own writing This is a partial quote detailing Ph / As and supp use. I didnt include the Illegal drugs because if ur using them then your wrong either way and I dont want to contribute to that.
Originally Posted by AnonymousSACO View Post
4. Now to the AS issue. If you reference the list above, you will not find a single listing for any kind of AS/PH. Thats because the facilities that the Navy/Marine Corps use, which are located in J'Ville FL, and San Diego, CA, can not screen for AS/PH. They just dont have the equipment. The Navy/Marine Corps has to send samples for steroid testing to Dr. Caitlin's lab at UCLA. The most recent price for this test ws $250.00.
5. So how does the military actually test for steroids then? Well this is kind of a nebulous issue. First, you have to be suspected of use and the command then has to have probable cause to ask you for a sample. Now comes the question, well how in the heck does the command get probable cause. Like I said, its a nebulous issue. Anyone reading these threads knows the sides associated with using AS/PH's and which ones can become apparent to your co-workers.
If your command thinks it has probable cause, they will probably already have consulted with base legal, they will ask you to consent to providing a sample. They are going to ask you this because it ellimnates the need to prove probable cause. If you do not consent, the commanding officer will then order you to provide a sample. There is a differnece here. Personally, I dont think I would ever consent to any kind of test. Whether I was using or not. This comes down to privacy issue for me. Besides, if you consent and you pop, you can be recommended for court martial. If it is a command directed test, and you pop, they can only administratively seperate you. Reason being, a positive result obtained from a command directed urinalysis, without satisfying probable cause, is not admisable in court.
5. So then you ask, what AS/PH can they test for and how long do they stay in your system? This question I cant definitively answer. I think that you could probably find the answer to this on this board someplace or on the net. Just be advised, I would suspect that any answer you find will be a best guess. I have talked to the drug demand reduction coordinator for my base, and was sitting in his office when he called the UCLA lab. The UCLA lab would not go into specifics as to screeing process and detection times.
6. So you are asking, what does this mean for me? In a nutshell, dont do drugs. Plain and simple. If you are using dope or AS/PH, and in the military, you are playing with fire.
If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.
Best regards
As of January 2005 the following list is updated and what I recieved from My base. This information is hanging on all the boards in my Base gym
The law adds 26 new steroid compounds, including many steroid precursors, to the previous list of substances that are legally defined as ?anabolic steroids.? [The new compounds are androstanediol; androstanedione; androstenediol; androstenedione; bolasterone; calusterone; *1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. ?1-testosterone?); furazabol; 13b-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one; 4-hydroxytestosterone; 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone; mestanolone; 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; 17a-methyl-3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-ene; 17a-methyl-4-hydroxynandrolone; methyldienolone; methyltrienolone; 17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. ?17-a-methyl-1-testosterone?); norandrostenediol; norandrostenedione; norbolethone; norclostebol; normethandrolone; stenbolone; and tetrahydrogestrinone.] Some of these new substances have been widely marketed as dietary supplements, such as androstenedione, norandrostenedione, norandrostenediol, 1-testosterone, and 4-hydroxytestosterone. bolasterone, calusterone, furazabol, and stenbolone, tetrahydrogestrinone (THG).
Those are the bad boy list. As you will see noted above, Its been stated before that steroid test are very very expensive. I know the airforce has over 300,000 members and even testing 30,000 a month for steroids will cause the DoD to go debunk. That is just one branch, so with that being said the probable cause issue then comes into play. If johnny is 145lb and 2 months later Johnny is 205lbs he is gonna catch some flak and will prob be tested. This isnt listed for you to say " Ok im gonna do steroids and as long as I keep myself undercontrol ill never get caught" because you will get caught with tat attitude. Possessing them, buying them and taking htem are illegal. Dont play with fire. Getting tossed out of the military with a Dishonorable will make it tough to get a job even at mcdonalds.
I personally have been tested while I was taking Jungle warfare, BAM and restore stack. I was also tested during a random urinalysis on MassFX and Hyperdrol. During that time frame Venom and various keep me awake supps were also in my system. As a safe rule of thumb if you can buy it at GNC on base then your fine ( every military base of any branch has a GNC it really sucks but we get alot of discounts)
SO check your labels compare it, before you go asking anymore crazy questions about lipo 6 creatine or ON whey. If anyone else has anything to add that is beneficial please do
Id love to get this a sticky if possible
evidently u have not done your research.
you cannot be random tested for steroids. it has to be command issued by reason of suspicion. Steroid tests are so expensive that random tests would break the service
there is a **** ton of info posted on here about the subject
also if the item u want to take isnt listed ont eh banned substances list then u cannot be punished
im airforce by the way posting from korea
not to argue with you....because that basically serves no point, but nowhere in any post did I say that you would be "randomly" tested for steroids. I know that it has to be an ordered test, but that test can be ordered at any time chosen by the respective command if use is suspected. I work with 2 individuals that have been on board ships with navy people that have been kicked out for steroids. This is the reason I began asking questions. I want the most potent stack, without the concern of breaking the law or the ucmj. Thanks for the input.
evidently u have not done your research.
you cannot be random tested for steroids. it has to be command issued by reason of suspicion. Steroid tests are so expensive that random tests would break the service
there is a **** ton of info posted on here about the subject
also if the item u want to take isnt listed ont eh banned substances list then u cannot be punished
im airforce by the way posting from korea
not to argue with you....because that basically serves no point, but nowhere in any post did I say that you would be "randomly" tested for steroids. I know that it has to be an ordered test, but that test can be ordered at any time chosen by the respective command if use is suspected. I work with 2 individuals that have been on board ships with navy people that have been kicked out for steroids. This is the reason I began asking questions. I want the most potent stack, without the concern of breaking the law or the ucmj. Thanks for the input.
and what everyone has been telling u is pretty much anything u get from NP is ok to take