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Ultimate Cortisol Control....the NP way

Benderzzz said:
question
would it be safe or even effective to run this with 8 11oxo a day
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Overkill, IMO....cut the 11-OXO back to around 3 a day and you will be good.
 
dsade said:
Yes, you should increase total amount used in order to get good coverage on chest, abs, and flanks...all the way around to kidneys (this is important).
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Is it advisable to use abliderate on lovehandles as well? I've just been using it on my abdominals for about 2.5 weeks thusfar with fantastic results. I've used 5 squirts twice daily, and my midsection has shrunk immensely up to this point. Skin irritation is starting to become an issue however, I may need to take a week or so off soon to give my skin a chance to recover.
 
max silver said:
Is it advisable to use abliderate on lovehandles as well? I've just been using it on my abdominals for about 2.5 weeks thusfar with fantastic results. I've used 5 squirts twice daily, and my midsection has shrunk immensely up to this point. Skin irritation is starting to become an issue however, I may need to take a week or so off soon to give my skin a chance to recover.
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Skin irritation can occur when you first start using it, but take a few days off and your skin will rebound nicely. I would recommend using a moisturizing soap (like Java Lather :) ) to rehydrate and condition your skin back into shape.

Definitely apply Abliderate all the way around to your kidney area.
 
max silver said:
Is it advisable to use abliderate on lovehandles as well? I've just been using it on my abdominals for about 2.5 weeks thusfar with fantastic results. I've used 5 squirts twice daily, and my midsection has shrunk immensely up to this point. Skin irritation is starting to become an issue however, I may need to take a week or so off soon to give my skin a chance to recover.
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I've been using java lather with mine and I've had no problems at all with irritation/drying. Might be worth a try for you
 
Any other good cortisol choices besides 11-oxo? I blew my ergopharm money for the month on 6-oxo extreme
 
dsade said:
Skin irritation can occur when you first start using it, but take a few days off and your skin will rebound nicely. I would recommend using a moisturizing soap (like Java Lather :) ) to rehydrate and condition your skin back into shape.

Definitely apply Abliderate all the way around to your kidney area.
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I've been using an aloe based aftersun moisturizer a few hours after each application, and other times when my skin is feeling particularly dry. I've found it helps quite a bit, however the urge to scratch is pretty fierce at times.
 
thanks for the quick reply
i will probably wait to finish my 11oxo off and then start the abliderate
ps. java lather is the best thanks for a solid product yet again
 
Dsade, would it make sense to add b-androstenetriol to Abliderate for additional cort suppression? Do you know if it would transdermally absorb?
 
Leggo my Ego said:
Dsade, would it make sense to add b-androstenetriol to Abliderate for additional cort suppression? Do you know if it would transdermally absorb?
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Not sure...anyone else know?
 
dsade said:
Not sure...anyone else know?
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B-androstenediol (bAet/b-triol) works better TD than orally. Retain and Thyrogen-X contain methyl-bAet (mbAet/17b-triol), which the methyl helps for better oral availability. (Methylation of this compound will not cause the same liver toxicity as we see with methylated Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids....before someone get's their panties in a bunch about this)

I've thought of doing this very combo myself. B-androstenediol is the metabolite of 7-oxo with the most anticortisol effects. 7-oxo can do other ill sh*t (thyroid regulation and PPAR agonism), so the addition of this metabolite makes sense. In fact, check out the ingredients list for Anabolic Xtreme's Retain2.
 
I am currently running this with an added 5 grams of 6-oxo and its working well. What do people think about trying to add another 5g of trans-Resveratrol to the mix?

Has anyone had success with td Resveratrol?
 
Would it make sense to apply this after waking and 4 hours later, or before bed?

Or does the cortisol in fat not spike with serum cortisol?
 
Well I just got this from customer service regarding Abliderate:


First off, thank you for your business!

Unfortunately, due to manufacturing complications, we do not feel that we will be
carrying this product any longer. Apologies for the inconvenience that this situation
causes you.

Thanks for choosing NutraPlanet!

--
Darren Teat
Chief Operating Officer

NutraPlanet Customer Service
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Supreme Muscle Customer Service
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If anyone wants to trade for half a bottle (has Rasp Ketones and Formestane in it too) seems like its the only way you're getting it :)
 
Leggo my Ego said:
You don't like it??
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I do like it. I already used nearly a full bottle myself and my gf had been using it, so between the both of us I've got a little more than half a bottle left.

VAT isn't a huge concern for me right now, I've got some flubby fat to get rid of first :) Worked real well in my hip flexor region though as well as on my chest. Just saying if anyone wants to PM me an offer I might part with it :)
 
Wedgylx said:
I do like it. I already used nearly a full bottle myself and my gf had been using it, so between the both of us I've got a little more than half a bottle left.

VAT isn't a huge concern for me right now, I've got some flubby fat to get rid of first :) Worked real well in my hip flexor region though as well as on my chest. Just saying if anyone wants to PM me an offer I might part with it :)
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Ah, I been using it myself and I like it too. I was wondering if it was just me. LOL
 
crappero said:
Does anyone know what the carrier in Abliderate was? I know it is not the same as penetrate.
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It is a localized version of Penetrate.
 
Leggo my Ego said:
Ah, I been using it myself and I like it too. I was wondering if it was just me. LOL
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haha, no I liked it very much. I definitely noticed a difference and QUICK too - within the first week.

I just think I'd be better off using another TD since VAT is no longer an issue :)
 
What molecules cause localization of a substance that penetrates. Could you add something to penetrate to localize it or would you have to subtract ingred from penetrate before you add?
 
methodice said:
What molecules cause localization of a substance that penetrates. Could you add something to penetrate to localize it or would you have to subtract ingred from penetrate before you add?
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The Benzyl alcohol keeps the actives localized, but the recipe for the Abliderate carrier was in completely different ratios.

You would be able to get somewhat of a localized effect by adding BA to Penetrate.
 
Goose said:
Is there another product out there that's is able to step in in place of Abliderate?
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What about 7-Cort?

It's a topical 7-keto product from the same company that sells E-Form. Ingredient profile is the same, I think. Anyone tried it?

There's also Dermatherm by Primordial.

What was the dosage in Abliderate?
 
warnerve said:
would you be able to sell this, or do we have to make it on our own? would this work with anabolic hormone powders?
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The formula for the carrier belongs to Avant. We will not step on them.

It works with hormones, yes, for a localized effect.
 
dsade said:
The formula for the carrier belongs to Avant. We will not step on them.

It works with hormones, yes, for a localized effect.
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that's what I figured. damn, those guys are smart. they used to sell it, right? Gel #3 i think it was called? I tried the sytenhance product once and was actually pretty impressed. Would love to see it around again, it was an interesting concept.
 
warnerve said:
that's what I figured. damn, those guys are smart. they used to sell it, right? Gel #3 i think it was called? I tried the sytenhance product once and was actually pretty impressed. Would love to see it around again, it was an interesting concept.
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I agree VERY much. Sytenhance worked extremely well on muscles like forearms and biceps...smaller in area with thin skin.
 
warnerve said:
the carrier with 1,4 powder would probably give some extremely nice vascularity
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Doesn't 1,4 need to convert in the liver?
 
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