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Pimpin' Ecdysteroids Q&A

I had gotten a bunch of questions about the ecdysteroids in Pro-Anabol by ALRI. So I looked into this a little deeper, and noticed something in their writeup.

ALR Industries brings you with their patent status MDHR™ the very first highly bioavailable and truly potent derivative of a naturally occurring plant based ecdysteroid. The base compound is called Dihydrorubrosterone, a naturally occurring ecdysteroid that is notably absent of the cholesterol group at position-17, but has a hydroxyl group at the all important 17-position. Furthermore, we have added a17-position methyl ether to increase both the bioavailability and overall potency. And a real plus is no liver stress like that realized from use of some of the older pro-hormone products. The result is a highly pro-anabolic compound with excellent oral bioavailability.
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This is a totally different ecdysterone than the ones I've been pimpin', as this one doesn't contain the cholesterol tail. Keep in mind there's a few hundred ecdysterones that exist. You can look them all up at Invalid Link Removed . The only ones I feel worth pimping is B-ecdysone. Turkesterone is also a good one (very very similar in structure and supposedly much more potent); however, there's not nearly as much info on a good dosing protocol so I tend to shy away from recommending something when I don't know how much to recommend.
 
thesinner said:
I had gotten a bunch of questions about the ecdysteroids in Pro-Anabol by ALRI. So I looked into this a little deeper, and noticed something in their writeup.



This is a totally different ecdysterone than the ones I've been pimpin', as this one doesn't contain the cholesterol tail. Keep in mind there's a few hundred ecdysterones that exist. You can look them all up at Invalid Link Removed . The only ones I feel worth pimping is B-ecdysone. Turkesterone is also a good one (very very similar in structure and supposedly much more potent); however, there's not nearly as much info on a good dosing protocol so I tend to shy away from recommending something when I don't know how much to recommend.
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I got all of the classic ecdy effects on 2 caps/day of PA.
 
Rodja said:
I got all of the classic ecdy effects on 2 caps/day of PA.
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I keep seeing mixed reviews with this, but then again you see the same with regular ecdy. :think:

It's possible rubrosterone would be effective. Rubrosterone are identical minus the 17th carbon. Turkesterone has an extra hydroxyl group inside the steroid skeleton (took me forever to find the structural difference between turk and ecdy).

I just had gotten a few Q's on PA, and I can't really answer them because there's way less as info on this as far as a good dosing protocol. I'd rather pimp something I've done before and know how to do.

What's your opinions on PA vs. Ecdy? We seem to have a tendency to like the same things.
 
Just thought I would throw this out there. It's a little older, but probably worth pimping...again:D: Invalid Link Removed
 
thesinner said:
I keep seeing mixed reviews with this, but then again you see the same with regular ecdy. :think:

It's possible rubrosterone would be effective. Rubrosterone are identical minus the 17th carbon. Turkesterone has an extra hydroxyl group inside the steroid skeleton (took me forever to find the structural difference between turk and ecdy).

I just had gotten a few Q's on PA, and I can't really answer them because there's way less as info on this as far as a good dosing protocol. I'd rather pimp something I've done before and know how to do.

What's your opinions on PA vs. Ecdy? We seem to have a tendency to like the same things.
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ALRI says that MDHR has a 12 hr T 1/2, so dosing is much easier. My trial of PA/JW was insanely successful and thewilman also had a great experience with PA. It is a little bit more expensive, as are most ALRI supplements, but it is still a solid ecdy product.
 
Ok I am thinking of running this after my PCT just to improve performance and try it out. I am curious on a couple things:

1. Can the bulk Ecdysterone be added to a trans carrier for better delivery? Not sure if Ecdysterone can pass through the skin or if its worth even buying the trans carrier.

2. Anyone mega dosed this stuff (ex. over 1g/day)?
 
Travis said:
Ok I am thinking of running this after my post cycle therapy just to improve performance and try it out. I am curious on a couple things:

1. Can the bulk Ecdysterone be added to a trans carrier for better delivery? Not sure if Ecdysterone can pass through the skin or if its worth even buying the trans carrier.

2. Anyone mega dosed this stuff (ex. over 1g/day)?
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1.) No. Ecdysterone has a cholesterol tail, making it too difficult to pass through the skin. If you find 99% rubrosterone somewhere, lemme know, that would be small enough to fit.

2) Yes. I believe dsade has, and liked it. It's a bit cost constricting, though.
 
thesinner said:
1.) No. Ecdysterone has a cholesterol tail, making it too difficult to pass through the skin. If you find 99% rubrosterone somewhere, lemme know, that would be small enough to fit.

2) Yes. I believe dsade has, and liked it. It's a bit cost constricting, though.
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Egh, LG (like I would buy any of their stuff) has a Dermasize product with rub in it....no idea how much though. Dont really see it anywhere else as I am sure you have looked.

There is an old thread on the LG stuff on bb.com in which someone asked why they couldnt just use the bulk ecdy from BAC in a trans carrier and someone responded with:

The bulk ecdy from BAC will work transdermal, but I'll warn you that you'll need a STRONG carrier like DMSO to get it done. Conventional isopropyl alcohol dissolves it well but since the MW of 20-hydroxy ECD is 480, what makes it into circulation is another issue.
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So I dunno...absorption rate must not be very good.

I cant find it on NP though...is it a bulk product there?
 
Yeah, there's a few old transdermal ecdy threads here on AM.

The cholesterol tail is what kills the absorption rate. Aside from that you have all the other crap in the extract fighting for absorption.

Best bet is take with piperine and/or vegetable oil.
 
In lieu of the loss of Anagen, i would like to make a list of current ecdy products with opinions

Syntrax-Syntra-EC
ALRI-Pro Anabol
Thermolife-E-Bol
SciFit-EcdySterone
VyoTech-17 HD


I have only tried the PA and I personally though that it was as good, if not better, than any other ecdy product I have tried. Also, 2 doses per day instead of 4-5 were needed.
 
Take Vyotech off the list. Ecdy isn't the main active, and the smilax sapponin has been proven to be dangerous at higher dosages/long term use.
 
You asked for it, you got it. 94% Ecdy coming very soon.
 
dsade said:
You asked for it, you got it. 94% Ecdy coming very soon.
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When this comes in you can bulk order me for 200 lbs! haha or maybe slightly less, but definitely alot. To bad I didn't know about this before i bought a lot of Anagen. I am doing a long term test, have 4 bottles of anagen + some bulk ecdy.
 
Found this study. Thought it was interesting.
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study found ecdy to be an insulin mimetic.
 
I don't like to run too many supps at once, but the ones I do.. I like to superdose (sortof).

If I were to take more towards 1gram per day, would that be more beneficial (didn't NP say that on their description? Can't remember exactly though)?
I read the post about how you need like 1g per lb of BW to overdose, which would be like $300 dollars a day to do... lol, price is for safety reasons.

Also, if I were to take it before carb meals, without the 35+ protein per meal, would it go to waste? I'm considering dosing around 200g before each of my 6 meals, and some meals consist of around 25-30g protein. 15 mins before is good though?

Great writup by the way, definitly got me interested! I love using NP bulk powders, so I'd definitly be down to throw this into the stack-zor. Combined with NA-r-Ala pre-meals, it sounds like fun.
 
It wouldn't be a waste, per se; however, a big intake of protein/aminos is going to greatly enhance its effectiveness.


Someone will probably yell at me for using this as an example (as it would be a little bit of an exaggeration of it's effects), but think of this like a NOS (nitrous oxide system) in your "Riceburner" (japanese automobile that's been modified for street racing). Nitrous oxide in the car works by providing a short boost of an increased combustion rate. Ecdy works by providing a short boost of an increased protein synthesis rate, which will help in rebuilding/repairing your muscles after they've been worked out.
 
Hmm...thinking about dosing at key times stacked with BCAA. Right upon waking up, immediately post workout (and 45 minutes later), then right before bed.
 
This has me thinking about a possible Leucine/ecdy combo for select times of day along with a insulin sensitizer.

Something along these lines:
-:30 - AP/YG/ALA/Corosolic Acid
-:20 - 5g Leucine/150mg ecdy
:00 - meal with 60g carbs, 35+g protein

Damn I wish I was trying to gain some mass right now.
 
Rodja said:
This has me thinking about a possible Leucine/ecdy combo for select times of day along with a insulin sensitizer.

Something along these lines:
-:30 - AP/YG/ALA/Corosolic Acid
-:20 - 5g Leucine/150mg ecdy
:00 - meal with 60g carbs, 35+g protein

Damn I wish I was trying to gain some mass right now.
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Good call as well...might try the new Thrive with Supercarb combo during workout to kickstart recovery.

Damn...now I am pretty excited again
 
thesinner said:
how's the cyclodextrin combo coming along? is that project still happening?
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All parties have been kind of swamped. I will check back.
 
I was always under the impression that ecdy needs to be used in high amounts under very high extracts ? Would the cost/benefit be worth it ?
 
Chuck Diesel used to have a product with ecdysterone out back in the day and he'd use something along the lines of 1.6g per 2.2lbs of your own weight....I think.
 
ReaperX said:
I was always under the impression that ecdy needs to be used in high amounts under very high extracts ? Would the cost/benefit be worth it ?
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Unless you're getting it in bulk, I don't think it is worth it. Most ecdy products are underdosed and overhyped.

NP has a pretty sweet deal on Bulk Ecdy right now.

My recommendation is to buy in bulk, mix with a few grams of bioperine, which greatly aids in efficacy. BAC sells bulk bioperine for $2.50 a gram, which is about 100 servings.

The "anabolic" effects are not strong/long enough to start building mass; however, will work wonders in recovery, endurance, and hardness.
 
Rodja said:
In lieu of the loss of Anagen, i would like to make a list of current ecdy products with opinions

Syntrax-Syntra-EC
ALRI-Pro Anabol
Thermolife-E-Bol
SciFit-EcdySterone
VyoTech-17 HD


I have only tried the PA and I personally though that it was as good, if not better, than any other ecdy product I have tried. Also, 2 doses per day instead of 4-5 were needed.
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A few have mentioned how it is more cost effective going with NP's bulk ECDY, but is it just as effective (strictly ECDY dosings)? It was mentioned that b-ECDY is the best effective form... is that NP's stuff? I'm considering going with NP as I'm planning on running 1g daily for a good 10 weeks to see how things go, but I would jump to a different one if the source is different.... again only concerned about the ECDY, and not the additional ingredients in the others.
 
Highlanda01602 said:
A few have mentioned how it is more cost effective going with NP's bulk ECDY, but is it just as effective (strictly ECDY dosings)? It was mentioned that b-ECDY is the best effective form... is that NP's stuff? I'm considering going with NP as I'm planning on running 1g daily for a good 10 weeks to see how things go, but I would jump to a different one if the source is different.... again only concerned about the ECDY, and not the additional ingredients in the others.
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The bulk powder at NP is the way to go right now. It is the most cost effective way to go by far.
 
ya, I think the effective range is 500 - 800 mgs / day of a 50% + extract, with a very high protein diet.....

Isn't ecdy supposed to be synergestic w/ Trib ??

Anyone tried Pinnacle's product with Turk ??? seems to be the only ecdy up here in Canada.....
 
CanMan said:
ya, I think the effective range is 500 - 800 mgs / day of a 50% + extract, with a very high protein diet.....

Isn't ecdy supposed to be synergestic w/ Trib ??

Anyone tried Pinnacle's product with Turk ??? seems to be the only ecdy up here in Canada.....
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I haven't heard of any synergy between ecdy and trib. I have tried nettle and ecdy before and I definitely think there is some synergy there. The jury is still out on turk and it is becoming more difficult to source and more expensive. As previously mentioned, the bulk powder at NP is the most cost effective way to go ATM.
 
Rodja said:
I haven't heard of any synergy between ecdy and trib. I have tried nettle and ecdy before and I definitely think there is some synergy there. The jury is still out on turk and it is becoming more difficult to source and more expensive. As previously mentioned, the bulk powder at NP is the most cost effective way to go ATM.
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Thanks dawg... could be Ripley's Believe it or Not....

nettle root I'm assuming ?

We don't get NP product up here in Canada, that I know of anyhow....
 
In November I ran a very mild epistane pulse (2-3 days a week) with Nutra's 20% Turkesterone as a base at 4g/day (1.4g 3x per day). I was also using 1 cap of ReboundXT every night as suggested by Dr.D in his 'pulse cycle' thread.

In short, it was a great experience - I gained 2lbs of lean mass and broke through a strength plateau that I'd been stuck on for months, and my strength has continued to increase even though I completed the stack at the beginning of December.

Ill definitely be giving Turk another run.
 
BigVrunga said:
In November I ran a very mild epistane pulse (2-3 days a week) with Nutra's 20% Turkesterone as a base at 4g/day (1.4g 3x per day). I was also using 1 cap of ReboundXT every night as suggested by Dr.D in his 'pulse cycle' thread.

In short, it was a great experience - I gained 2lbs of lean mass and broke through a strength plateau that I'd been stuck on for months, and my strength has continued to increase even though I completed the stack at the beginning of December.

Ill definitely be giving Turk another run.
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I think you were using 2% turk ;). 4g of 20% is 800mg per day. That would be expensive as Hell (real estate value) and the Neverland Ranch (minus Michael Jackson, which would increase property value 1000%).
 
Wasn't cheap the way I ran it but.........I ran Sci-fit's ECD product at 6 caps a day as follows: One with all of my six meals due to the short ass half life) for 3 months.

Enjoyed it! Clean gains, sure only 5 pounds or so but I look lean as hell and vascularity is thru the roof along with improved sex drive. I just "look better" overall. It was sort of like a recomp product for me.

Just sharing my experience. I'm a gear user too so for me, this was a blessing in light of the lack of sides and the break I got from gear.

PS, I took the Sci-fit because: powers are nasty, I am too lazy to cap anything and Sci Fit has 300mg/per cap servings~!!.
 
Not to get too far off the subject but since ECD doesn't get the credit it deserves in large part b/c of the lack of correct doses utilized; wouldn't substances like Ipriflavone and even more so: 5-Methyl-7-Methoxy-Isoflavone perhaps fall under the same light?

Specifically, these compounds have similar evidence of non-hormonal mediated "growth" but have fallen out of favor perhaps b/c of the lack of results due to low dosing (speculating here).

What if these compounds were taken in powder form and in high doses? Let's face it, non-hormonal or non-HPTA-axis-affecting pathways for growth are invaluable for a multitude of reasons.

(5-Methyl-7-Methoxy-Isoflavone)
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(Ipriflavone)
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thesinner said:
I had gotten a bunch of questions about the ecdysteroids in Pro-Anabol by ALRI. So I looked into this a little deeper, and noticed something in their writeup.



This is a totally different ecdysterone than the ones I've been pimpin', as this one doesn't contain the cholesterol tail. Keep in mind there's a few hundred ecdysterones that exist. You can look them all up at Invalid Link Removed . The only ones I feel worth pimping is B-ecdysone. Turkesterone is also a good one (very very similar in structure and supposedly much more potent); however, there's not nearly as much info on a good dosing protocol so I tend to shy away from recommending something when I don't know how much to recommend.
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I am not going to post references of course, bu when browsing for some potent ecdy, I founda supplier that was selling god knows how much 40% Turk for a crazy amount; BUT- when I informed them would need to try a sample of them, they offered 30 grams of the 40% turk, for around $35, and something shipped!!

Thats enough powder for a great 1 month run.
I got great results from AX's %20 turk in their new massfx, for a comparrision
 
ahhh thanks R!

But does it in this case? At all? How do we know?
 
The nomenclature on their write-up goes back and forth between methyl and methoxy. I don't know what it is.

Pro-anabol should be some sort of derivation of rubrosterone (methyl or methoxy). It is not an androgen, should not interact with the 17-HSD enzyme, and therefore methylation should not be an issue, but I would say to contact an ALRI rep for a more definitive answer.
 
Thanks
 
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