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    Based on the properties of the dermal carrier it maintains a realative amount of active hormone in the layers of skin over a prolonged period of time allowing for slow, gradual release of the product into the bloodstream for up to 12hrs. So, yes the "release" of form is around 12hrs, add in the active half life of form(which I have no clue about) and you have a pretty substantial time frame of hormone circulation.
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    Well Celc you can rest assured that both you and BigT were the total inspiration for this FAQ so much love to yah! Good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I like to use lotion AFTER applying eform. With no specific scientific reasoning whatsoever, I always feel that moisturization has definately helped my results.

    Using the moisturizer seems to be along the lines of your suggestion T. Is there any logic that suggests moist skin, as opposed to dry, provides more effective transdermal delivery?



    I believe that I've read that the 1/2 life is also 12 hours. I feel like I'm in maintenance after about the third dose (in day 2), but it seems I am hyper-responsive to form considering the low dose that I enjoy.

    It's funny that you mentioned the 3-4 day mark. The first time I used E-form I thought it was simply an AI and wasn't aware of it's steroidal properties. At day 3-4, I felt very "ON" and my exact thoughts were, "So this must be what it feels like to take steroids!" I scrambled to the message boards to find out if I needed a post cycle therapy. I sure could have used a formestane FAQ about a year and a half ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Based on the properties of the dermal carrier it maintains a realative amount of active hormone in the layers of skin over a prolonged period of time allowing for slow, gradual release of the product into the bloodstream for up to 12hrs. So, yes the "release" of form is around 12hrs, add in the active half life of form(which I have no clue about) and you have a pretty substantial time frame of hormone circulation.
    prld2gr8ns, that begs the question of what that "release" ratio/rate might be. Is it at varying strengths over that 12 hour time frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchman View Post
    prld2gr8ns, that begs the question of what that "release" ratio/rate might be. Is it at varying strengths over that 12 hour time frame?
    That's a good question... I would assume that there is indeed an initial spike in the first few minutes of application just from mass absorption, after which the release decreases to a more gradual and sustained rate as the trapped hormones work their way thru to the bloodstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    That's a good question... I would assume that there is indeed an initial spike in the first few minutes of application just from mass absorption, after which the release decreases to a more gradual and sustained rate as the trapped hormones work their way thru to the bloodstream.
    im i the only one who gets a flush after applying form? actually gives me a shiver.
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    I defenitly feel a small rush of sorts shortly after applications, which I would assume is indeed a sign of rapid initial absorption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    im i the only one who gets a flush after applying form? actually gives me a shiver.
    When I dose 60 or 80mg in one dose, I get more of a "rush" than a "flush"

    At the 60-80 dosage, I become a bit irritable and have some mild heart palpitations at night. So, I personally have to back off to about 40mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening for my sweet spot dosage.

    I can't wait to start this up on Monday! If the H-drol kicks as much a$$ as the E-form, I'll be a lean mean powerlifting pumping iron machine RAaaaaaaaaaaOOOORRRR!!! ...unfortunately, the bigT is NOT intimidated
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    celc, could you log that man... that sounds like a pretty dam good LBM stack I would like to keep track of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    When I dose 60 or 80mg in one dose, I get more of a "rush" than a "flush"

    At the 60-80 dosage, I become a bit irritable and have some mild heart palpitations at night. So, I personally have to back off to about 40mg in the morning and 20mg in the evening for my sweet spot dosage.

    I can't wait to start this up on Monday! If the H-drol kicks as much a$$ as the E-form, I'll be a lean mean powerlifting pumping iron machine RAaaaaaaaaaaOOOORRRR!!! ...unfortunately, the bigT is NOT intimidated
    celc, you know as well as me that its not us big guys you got to worry about. its the pissed off little guys with their automatic weapons.
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    Prld: yup, no prob. Recomp all the way. I guess formestane isn't exactly NEEDED with the Halo clone, but it does work well with my recomp goals.

    BigT: We better be careful or Neo will go ninja on us if we keep having fun in his thread
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    Heheheh @ Celc just keep it on form and we're all good









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    Do you guys have any advice for a clogged E-Form bottle? I tried cleaning out the sprayer part and tube, but no luck. Stuff worked really well for about a week. It would be great if I could find a better sprayer that would still provide the proper dosages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPain View Post
    Do you guys have any advice for a clogged E-Form bottle? I tried cleaning out the sprayer part and tube, but no luck. Stuff worked really well for about a week. It would be great if I could find a better sprayer that would still provide the proper dosages.
    Buy a baby dropper from walley world, and dose by the ml i.e. 5gr of Form in a bottle of penetrate(240ml) = 21mg/ml

    Get's rid of the hassle of clogged sprayers and is a lot more accurate on achieving correct amounts in dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPain View Post
    Do you guys have any advice for a clogged E-Form bottle? I tried cleaning out the sprayer part and tube, but no luck. Stuff worked really well for about a week. It would be great if I could find a better sprayer that would still provide the proper dosages.
    E-form contains:
    4oz solution
    3 g formestane

    Conversion:
    1 fluid oz. = ~33.814 ml
    4oz x 33.814 = 135.256ml per bottle
    3000mg / 135.256 ml= 22.18mg/ml

    prld, maybe double check my math... I can be "rythmatically" challenged at times

    This is a good question because I have a ton of e-form, but have never had the nozzle clog on me. I should be prepared.
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    Looks good... a decent rule of thumb I use is that normally 4 fluid ounces is roughly 120ml(on most products listed in ounces and gives ml's right next to it... check out a bottle of Dasani, roughly comes to 30ml/oz). 3000/120 = 25mg/ml.... roughly the same measurements.
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    So does the baby dropper have measurements on it or total amount? Do you then just drop onto hand and rub in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    So does the baby dropper have measurements on it or total amount? Do you then just drop onto hand and rub in?

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    Yes, both, and yes

    Neo, have you tried any form yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Yes, both, and yes. Neo, have you tried any form yet?
    I just purchased ten grams form + 16oz Penetration fluid So soon as I get it ....woot here we go baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    I just purchased ten grams form + 16oz Penetration fluid :thumbsup. So soon as I get it ....woot here we go baby.
    neo, come on man. after all this praise and you still havent tried it yet? btw you better be nice or ill give dutchman your address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    neo, come on man. after all this praise and you still havent tried it yet? btw you better be nice or ill give dutchman your address.
    Wut?? I am going to try it ....and um what praise? Oh I'll be nice, see here I am smiling:

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    ok, here is tip #10001. go to walmart and get some surgical gloves. they are cheap, and will prevent you hand from absorbing the form. less waste that way since after rubbing it in, i seem to get quite a bit on my hands. this has worked well for me, thought i would pass it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ok, here is tip #10001. go to walmart and get some surgical gloves. they are cheap, and will prevent you hand from absorbing the form. less waste that way since after rubbing it in, i seem to get quite a bit on my hands. this has worked well for me, thought i would pass it on.
    Good tip. I'm going to update the FAQ at some point with this extra information i.e. baby dropper etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ok, here is tip #10001. go to walmart and get some surgical gloves. they are cheap, and will prevent you hand from absorbing the form. less waste that way since after rubbing it in, i seem to get quite a bit on my hands. this has worked well for me, thought i would pass it on.
    for making the solution or for applying it each dose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    for making the solution or for applying it each dose?
    well ive found the best way of applying is to spray on hand and then apply. when doing this i get a lot of residual on my hands, the gloves prevents this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    well ive found the best way of applying is to spray on hand and then apply. when doing this i get a lot of residual on my hands, the gloves prevents this.
    good thinking. so it wouldn't absorb the same way in the hands as it does everywhere else?
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    I believe thinner the skin the better absorbtion. Palms of hands are pretty think, back of hands maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    I believe thinner the skin the better absorbtion. Palms of hands are pretty think, back of hands maybe.
    you're missing the point.
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    Thanks for all the great help guys! Do you think a 1 ml oral syringe would do the job also to give roughly 25mg/ml?
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    Neo, here's the formestane log you've been waiting for. Let's rock

    H-drol + E-form: Recomp Log

    4-6 week plan:
    H-drol 50-75mg
    Eform 40-120mg
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