formestane

[thebigt]

Thanks man .....that means alot...truly :thumbsup:. It's nice to have your confirmation. If you see any changes / additions just let me know.

looking good; think you got it covered.

 

[dsade]

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[psychospic]

Does anyone remember a transdermal product by the name of Etched? It was meant to be rubbed on your midsection, it had 4-OHT which from what I've gathered here is the active chemical in formestane.

Well back when etched was out I used it and was amazed at the results. My stomache tightened up like I had never seen before, of course my diet and training were check as well.

I don't remember what else was in the Etched product but was wondering if anyone else does and if you guys think that Formestane in Abliderate would produce similar results?

AND if I am already using the bulk Lipoderm, how should I apply each of these?

 

[warnerve]

Does anyone remember a transdermal product by the name of Etched? It was meant to be rubbed on your midsection, it had 4-OHT which from what I've gathered here is the active chemical in formestane.

Well back when etched was out I used it and was amazed at the results. My stomache tightened up like I had never seen before, of course my diet and training were check as well.

I don't remember what else was in the Etched product but was wondering if anyone else does and if you guys think that Formestane in Abliderate would produce similar results?

AND if I am already using the bulk Lipoderm, how should I apply each of these?

it was from xtreme formulations. here is the writeup:

ETCHED is the next stage in targeted fat loss and muscle
definition. Designed exclusively for men, ETCHED contains a
potent blend of ingredients, each chosen to accelerate fat loss
while strengthening and hardening the muscle groups underneath
it. ETCHED is a highly effective topical fat loss formula
designed to quickly and safely reduce the midsection fat, chest
fat and lower back fat that plagues men specifically. With it's
targeted application, ETCHED can finally tackle that midsection
fat that simply won't go away, or that embarrassing chest fat,
all while enhancing the muscle groups beneath it. Each bottle of
ETCHED contains within Xtreme Formulation's local infusion
matrix the steroidal compound HydroxyTestosterone, as well as
the metabolic optimizer 7-OXO-DHEA.

To understand ETCHED, we
need to look a little more closely at each of its active
ingredients:

Hydroxytestosterone:


Also known as 4-OHT,
4,17beta-dihydroxy-4-androstene-3-one (typically referred to as
4-OHT) is moderately anabolic and mildly androgenic, with potent
anti-estrogenic effects. This means that 4-OHT will increase
lean mass and strength while enhancing muscle hardness and
definition, all with very little risk of the androgenic side
effects we want to avoid. Because of 4-OHT's anti-estrogenic
properties, it will also help to reduce estrogen-related fat
deposits (often seen in the chest, love handles and lower body)
while reducing subcutaneous water retention. With the topical
infusion matrix ETCHED utilizes, the already minimal threat of
side effects is further reduced.
7-OXO-DHEA:


A safe and
natural metabolite of DHEA, 7-OXO-DHEA does not convert to
testosterone or estrogen. 7-OXO-DHEA works to enhance metabolism
through a number of mechanisms. 7-OXO-DHEA enhances the
thermogenic enzymes of the liver, which results in a higher
resting (also known as "basal") metabolic rate. Additionally,
7-OXO-DHEA works to potentiate thyroid function via increases in
T3 (triiodothyronine) levels, further increasing the body's
resting metabolic rate*. These metabolic enhancements accelerate
weight loss regardless of alterations in calorie intake or
activity level. Delivered locally, 7-OXO-DHEA is greatly
effective in reducing fat stores where it's applied.
In
addition, there is a wealth of indirect and anecdotal evidence
pointing to 7-OXO-DHEA's role in reducing excess cortisol
levels. Cortisol is a stress hormone that is responsible for the
formation of Visceral Adipose Tissue (VAT), which is the fat
that forms in and around the organs. VAT is particularly
problematic in men, and promotes stomach distension. You
generally know you have a VAT issue if your waist exceeds 32
inches, you are over 12% bodyfat, or you carry all of your fat
in the midsection. This is where ETCHED comes in. 7-OXO-DHEA,
delivered locally, will safely, effectively and rapidly reduce
VAT levels in the abdomen, obliques and low back *It is
important to note that 7-OXO-DHEA does not elevate T3 levels
beyond their normal range.

Each of the ingredients in ETCHED
is scientifically documented for its positive effects on VAT
reduction, metabolic optimization and muscle hardening.
Collectively, the ingredients in ETCHED act synergistically to
enhance fat loss and promote muscle definition through multiple
avenues. This isn't just another product for use on your
abdominals; ETCHED works wonderfully on your chest, your lower
back, or on your obliques. ETCHED will reduce the Visceral
Adipose Tissue that is not only unappealing aesthetically, but a
health risk as well. And, not only will it quickly reduce
bodyfat in the regions that it's applied to, ETCHED will
actually increase lean mass and strength while enhancing
definition.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Each bottle of
ETCHED contains within Xtreme Formulation's local infusion
matrix the steroidal compound HydroxyTestosterone, as well as
the metabolic optimizer 7-OXO-DHEA.

Very similiar.

BUMP for the first Abliderate(7OXO)/Formestane feedback.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

AND if I am already using the bulk Lipoderm, how should I apply each of these?

If your already using L-derm then just get some abliderate add in about 3gr of Form and rotate doses in the morning and evening. Derm in the morning, Abliderate in the evening.... vice versa

 

[neoborn]

Information on Adliderate?

 

[prld2gr8ns]

7 OXO dissolved in Avant's Absolved site specific carrier.

Similiar to Lipoderm carrier but used for lipophilic compounds aka hormones.

Abliderate (8 oz) By NutraPlanet

 

[psychospic]

it was from xtreme formulations. here is the writeup:

ETCHED is the next stage in targeted fat loss and muscle
definition. Designed exclusively for men, ETCHED contains a
potent blend of ingredients, each chosen to accelerate fat loss
while strengthening and hardening the muscle groups underneath
it. ETCHED is a highly effective topical fat loss formula
designed to quickly and safely reduce the midsection fat, chest
fat and lower back fat that plagues men specifically. With it's
targeted application, ETCHED can finally tackle that midsection
fat that simply won't go away, or that embarrassing chest fat,
all while enhancing the muscle groups beneath it. Each bottle of
ETCHED contains within Xtreme Formulation's local infusion
matrix the steroidal compound HydroxyTestosterone, as well as
the metabolic optimizer 7-OXO-DHEA.

To understand ETCHED, we
need to look a little more closely at each of its active
ingredients:

Hydroxytestosterone:


Also known as 4-OHT,
4,17beta-dihydroxy-4-androstene-3-one (typically referred to as
4-OHT) is moderately anabolic and mildly androgenic, with potent
anti-estrogenic effects. This means that 4-OHT will increase
lean mass and strength while enhancing muscle hardness and
definition, all with very little risk of the androgenic side
effects we want to avoid. Because of 4-OHT's anti-estrogenic
properties, it will also help to reduce estrogen-related fat
deposits (often seen in the chest, love handles and lower body)
while reducing subcutaneous water retention. With the topical
infusion matrix ETCHED utilizes, the already minimal threat of
side effects is further reduced.
7-OXO-DHEA:


A safe and
natural metabolite of DHEA, 7-OXO-DHEA does not convert to
testosterone or estrogen. 7-OXO-DHEA works to enhance metabolism
through a number of mechanisms. 7-OXO-DHEA enhances the
thermogenic enzymes of the liver, which results in a higher
resting (also known as "basal") metabolic rate. Additionally,
7-OXO-DHEA works to potentiate thyroid function via increases in
T3 (triiodothyronine) levels, further increasing the body's
resting metabolic rate*. These metabolic enhancements accelerate
weight loss regardless of alterations in calorie intake or
activity level. Delivered locally, 7-OXO-DHEA is greatly
effective in reducing fat stores where it's applied.
In
addition, there is a wealth of indirect and anecdotal evidence
pointing to 7-OXO-DHEA's role in reducing excess cortisol
levels. Cortisol is a stress hormone that is responsible for the
formation of Visceral Adipose Tissue (VAT), which is the fat
that forms in and around the organs. VAT is particularly
problematic in men, and promotes stomach distension. You
generally know you have a VAT issue if your waist exceeds 32
inches, you are over 12% bodyfat, or you carry all of your fat
in the midsection. This is where ETCHED comes in. 7-OXO-DHEA,
delivered locally, will safely, effectively and rapidly reduce
VAT levels in the abdomen, obliques and low back *It is
important to note that 7-OXO-DHEA does not elevate T3 levels
beyond their normal range.

Each of the ingredients in ETCHED
is scientifically documented for its positive effects on VAT
reduction, metabolic optimization and muscle hardening.
Collectively, the ingredients in ETCHED act synergistically to
enhance fat loss and promote muscle definition through multiple
avenues. This isn't just another product for use on your
abdominals; ETCHED works wonderfully on your chest, your lower
back, or on your obliques. ETCHED will reduce the Visceral
Adipose Tissue that is not only unappealing aesthetically, but a
health risk as well. And, not only will it quickly reduce
bodyfat in the regions that it's applied to, ETCHED will
actually increase lean mass and strength while enhancing
definition.

Warnerve, thanks for that. Reps to you. I've searched for that write up but couldn't find anything online.

Anyway, etched worked! I was amazed at how lean I was looking and how I was able to start seeing that V taper from the obliques down to below the abs. I had forgotten that Etched also had 7-oxo. This is great as I just put an order in for abliderate and 5gms of formestane.

 

[thebigt]

abliterate+formestane=winner. best part is no sides, since abliterate is local. so you get on site benifits without the low estrogen side effects. btw prid, do you think mixing form in obliterate will be easier than penetrate?

 

[dsade]

abliterate+formestane=winner. best part is no sides, since abliterate is local. so you get on site benifits without the low estrogen side effects. btw prid, do you think mixing form in obliterate will be easier than penetrate?

I think it will be, yes. Benzyl Alcohol is a great solvent.

 

[thebigt]

I think it will be, yes. Benzyl Alcohol is a great solvent.

AAAH, dsade has spoken. i take this to be truth.:woohoo:

 

[prld2gr8ns]

If he speaketh, thy word is true.

Dsade what would be your recommendation on the appropriate amounts of form to add to abliderate?

 

[dsade]

If he speaketh, thy word is true.

Dsade what would be your recommendation on the appropriate amounts of form to add to abliderate?

I would start with 3 grams.

I know how much the carrier will hold before saturation point, but I would start with 3 grams.

 

[wheels]

BUMP for the first Abliderate/Formestane feedback.

Just wondering what part of the body would you apply this combo for maxium absorption chest,abs ?

 

[faustus]

On your love handles?

 

[Rodja]

This would be applied at the area where you want the anti-estrogen effects. Chest is usually the place where it is applied.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Chest, stomach and love handles would be ideal for both ingredients.

 

[wheels]

if formestance was stacked with restore will it cause dry joints

 

[dsade]

if formestance was stacked with restore will it cause dry joints

Systemically, it might at high dosage. I find Form to be a pretty unique compound that is easy on the joints.

 

[wheels]

Systemically, it might at high dosage. I find Form to be a pretty unique compound that is easy on the joints.

so would you consider restore 3/ed and 20.8 mg dosed twice daily ok and also what beside mass fx stacks well with formestance oxo11 ?

 

[dsade]

so would you consider restore 3/ed and 20.8 mg dosed twice daily ok and also what beside mass fx stacks well with formestance oxo11 ?

That dosing regimen looks good.

As far as stacking, depends on your goals...can you be more specific?

 

[wheels]

That dosing regimen looks good.

As far as stacking, depends on your goals...can you be more specific?

looking to build some lean mass for summer I already have 1 abliderate 8oz,5gms formestance,1 mass fx,1 restore,just wondering about other options open ?

 

[dsade]

looking to build some lean mass for summer I already have 1 abliderate 8oz,5gms formestance,1 mass fx,1 restore,just wondering about other options open ?

Can I safely assume that you have your basics covered (multi, BCAAs, Creatine, Beta-Alanine)?

 

[wheels]

Can I safely assume that you have your basics covered (multi, BCAAs, Creatine, Beta-Alanine)?

yes

 

[celc5]

looking to build some lean mass for summer I already have 1 abliderate 8oz,5gms formestance,1 mass fx,1 restore,just wondering about other options open ?

If I had the same stash as you, I personally would just run the formestane with staples as Dsade suggested. Form should be able to help you gain lean mass by itself. No debates on formestane, the stuff rocks every time for me!

And, MassFx and Restore sounds like a killer stack that you could save for later too. Run a slightly higher than suggested dose of bulk arginine or cit malate with Mfx and Restore you'll have a fun stack on your hands.

Your stash of supps sounds a lot like mine :cheers:

 

[wheels]

If I had the same stash as you, I personally would just run the formestane with staples as Dsade suggested. Form should be able to help you gain lean mass by itself. No debates on formestane, the stuff rocks every time for me!

And, MassFx and Restore sounds like a killer stack that you could save for later too. Run a slightly higher than suggested dose of bulk arginine or cit malate with Mfx and Restore you'll have a fun stack on your hands.

Your stash of supps sounds a lot like mine :cheers:

thanks for your help

 

[thebigt]

currently using form/penetrate 4 sprays 2xday, stacked with furazadrol 4 on non w/o days 5 on w/o days. and rpm 3 caps 2xday. just finished 1st bottle of fura, starting 2nd bottle tomorrow. starting weight 250, after 1 bottle of fura 243. my physical appearance has improved dramatically. this is best cutting stack ive ever used, so far at least.

 

[EmAzing]

This maybe a naieve question, but due to the anti estrogen effects, can women take Formestane and abliderate or lipoderm transdermally?

 

[thebigt]

This maybe a naieve question, but due to the anti estrogen effects, can women take Formestane and abliderate or lipoderm transdermally?

i dont think it wise for a woman to use formestane as a supplement, its original purpose was anti-estrogen treatment for breast cancer. there arent that many women who post on here, so i dont have any info about its use by females. the abliderate is kinda new so i cant say that much about it. the lipoderm on the other hand has been posted by females with great success. imo go with lipo. good luck.

 

[JJC]

This maybe a naieve question, but due to the anti estrogen effects, can women take Formestane and abliderate or lipoderm transdermally?

Holy cats. You are ripped. I'm in agreement with bigt on this one...probably not wise for a female to be taking anti-e's. On the other hand, abliderate and lipoderm are probably(don't see why not) safe for women. In your case, you don't need any of the above anyhow.

Welcome to AM btdubs.

 

[EmAzing]

Sweet! Thanks guys! I already love it here, everyone is so knowledgeable and helpful. I ordered lipoderm and I'm excited to get it.
I'll keep updating the results.

 

[dsade]

Sweet! Thanks guys! I already love it here, everyone is so knowledgeable and helpful. I ordered lipoderm and I'm excited to get it.
I'll keep updating the results.

You will not be disappointed.

 

[celc5]

currently using form/penetrate 4 sprays 2xday, stacked with furazadrol 4 on non w/o days 5 on w/o days. and rpm 3 caps 2xday. just finished 1st bottle of fura, starting 2nd bottle tomorrow. starting weight 250, after 1 bottle of fura 243. my physical appearance has improved dramatically. this is best cutting stack ive ever used, so far at least.

EVERY stack you run is the "BEST STACK EVER" :icon_lol:

 

[thebigt]

EVERY stack you run is the "BEST STACK EVER" :icon_lol:

did i say best stack ever. or did i say best cutting stack? i use a lot of supps but i am very selective. hopefully every stack i run will be the best. hema/prop is still the best stack ever.:thumbsup:

 

[celc5]

did i say best stack ever. or did i say best cutting stack? i use a lot of supps but i am very selective. hopefully every stack i run will be the best. hema/prop is still the best stack ever.:thumbsup:

Just bustin on ya T:cheers: Your enthusiasm makes me wanna go deadlift right now!

Keep rockin the form... I'll be startin up in 1 week with formestane and h-drol and I'm psyched beyond belief!!! :head:

 

[thebigt]

yeah i know, your a good kid. i did a lot of research before choosing furazadrol, went back to the archives under orastan-a. this was a very sought after supp before gaspari pulled the plug. it was originally designed to be stacked with halodrol. h-drol is a halodrol clone, just something for you to think about. i went solo with furazadrol along with formestane and rpm because i wanted to cut bf, without adding mass. this is what i came up with. i love it when im right. going to run 2 more bottles of furazadrol, with my goal of 235 at 15% or less bf. getting too old to carry 250, too much work to maintain. good luck to you celc, hope h-drol is good to you,t.:cheers:

 

[skull]

Straight formastane possesses extremely poor oral bioavailability. Androgens in general are neither truly water nor fat soluble compounds. This means if ingested orally almost none of the active compound enters the blood stream. When a straight androgen base is ingested orally it proceeds to the stomach (partial breakdown) and then to the intestinal mucosa where it is absorbed into the portal circulation and directly shuttled to the liver where it undergoes massive metabolic destruction.

Methyl or 17-alpha methyl is 17-alpha alkylated . This alkylation prevents the major route of androgen deactivation or oxidation to a 17-keto steroid. This allows a large portion of the active steroid to enter the bloodstream intact and avoid first pass liver deactivation, although this alkylation can also lead to hepatotoxicity.

Etherification on the other hand, appears to be a viable option to 17-alpha alkylation with no risk hepatotoxicity. The addition of various ethers enables the hormone to become fat soluble (lipophilic) so that it can be absorbed directly into the lymphatic system in order to bypass the destructive first pass of the liver. This is why it is important to take formastane with a meal or fats. Long chain dietary fats are also absorbed via the lymphatic system and provide an enhanced transport of the active compound into the blood stream.

 

[JJC]

Straight formastane possesses extremely poor oral bioavailability. Androgens in general are neither truly water nor fat soluble compounds. This means if ingested orally almost none of the active compound enters the blood stream. When a straight androgen base is ingested orally it proceeds to the stomach (partial breakdown) and then to the intestinal mucosa where it is absorbed into the portal circulation and directly shuttled to the liver where it undergoes massive metabolic destruction.

Methyl or 17-alpha methyl is 17-alpha alkylated . This alkylation prevents the major route of androgen deactivation or oxidation to a 17-keto steroid. This allows a large portion of the active steroid to enter the bloodstream intact and avoid first pass liver deactivation, although this alkylation can also lead to hepatotoxicity.

Etherification on the other hand, appears to be a viable option to 17-alpha alkylation with no risk hepatotoxicity. The addition of various ethers enables the hormone to become fat soluble (lipophilic) so that it can be absorbed directly into the lymphatic system in order to bypass the destructive first pass of the liver. This is why it is important to take formastane with a meal or fats. Long chain dietary fats are also absorbed via the lymphatic system and provide an enhanced transport of the active compound into the blood stream.

They are talking about transdermal application of Formestane. The idea of oral Formestane administration has already been dismissed for cost and bioavailability reasons.

 

[celc5]

They are talking about transdermal application of Formestane. The idea of oral Formestane administration has already been dismissed for cost and bioavailability reasons.

Although I personally agree with your opinion, oral bioavailability hasn't necessarily been dismissed. A LOT of people take it in the 500mg to 1g per day PO and with very good success. Not to mention that there's way more research to back PO route rather than TD. I'll still save my cash though

 

[JJC]

Although I personally agree with your opinion, oral bioavailability hasn't necessarily been dismissed. A LOT of people take it in the 500mg to 1g per day PO and with very good success. Not to mention that there's way more research to back PO route rather than TD. I'll still save my cash though

Agreed. I may have spoken in a bit of a hyperbole. I bet there are people out there who do take it orally, but I think the majority of us do it TD for financial reasons. Plus it's just plain cool when supps are better administered topically.

 

[dsade]

Someone should play with Formestane Ether. Hmm...I think I will.

 

[DAdams91982]

Someone should play with Formestane Ether. Hmm...I think I will.

Attatch an ester for me D. Then its on. A "Pain Free Oral" in sledge's words.

And I am prefacing this post, since I know you are going to comment on "Pain Free Oral"... come on now... to easy... you are better than that!!!

Adams

 

[Al Shades]

Good idea to stack E-form with Diesel Test Hardcore for epistane pct?

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Someone should play with Formestane Ether. Hmm...I think I will.

Another RPN product? Perhaps in a oil based solution for increased lymphatic absorption? Sounds intriguing....

 

[skull]

yea, Id definitly would be willing to sell this idea since Ive just had it patented and own the copywrite

 

[dsade]

Another RPN product? Perhaps in a oil based solution for increased lymphatic absorption? Sounds intriguing....

Looks like my supplier can knock this out in no time...so yeah, probably a new RPN product coming soon.

 

[Distilled Water]

Looks like my supplier can knock this out in no time...so yeah, probably a new RPN product coming soon.

:dance:

 

[dsade]

:dance:

Before you dance too much, remember we are flying on a strictly theoretical basis here.

I will probably have a small batch manufactured first to test out.

 

[DGSky]

Way to go dsade. I'll definiterly be looking forward to this plus the Abliterate replacement.