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    well vitamin shoppe seems to be doing good by me and i know bj uses it too..btw just got my alcar today took 2 grams already plan on 3 grams a day..does anyone else experience a "hot face" so to speak?

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    I have used insulin quite a bit. I have also used ALA and have gotten that 'hypo feeling' from ALA.

    Would you guys say on REALLY low carb days(<20g) you should avoid the ALA all together?
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    I found a place that sells CLA and other stuff in bulk.

    I have NEVER used this place, just found it while doing a search.

    1000 caps of 1000mg CLA is $220.

    http://www.bestbodyproducts.com/supps/bbsorderform.htm
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    Here is a place for bulk Acetyl-L-Carnitine powder.


    Could just cap it yourself.

    Again I have NEVER ordered from this place and know nothing about it.


    You can get 500grams for $125.00

    What is strange is 1000 gms Retail only costs $139.99 which is $24.99 for 500g more ?????????/ Which is only .14 per gram WOW if it REALLY is true.



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    Originally posted by CROWLER
    I found a place that sells CLA and other stuff in bulk.

    I have NEVER used this place, just found it while doing a search.

    1000 caps of 1000mg CLA is $220.

    http://www.bestbodyproducts.com/supps/bbsorderform.htm
    thats extremely expensive..u can get the NOW cla from either 1fast or dps for 180 caps at 20 bucks(figure 10 bottles of that is 200 bucks and 1800 pills and thats the guarnteed "good stuff")
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    Yeah, if your going to buy in bulk Instynct is a good guy to get some stuff from as well.
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    I've seen the name instynct999 all over the ALCAR post at animal's site, but no website is listed in his profile. What is Instynct's website?
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    no website for instynct just email him.
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    Thanks ww7,

    instynct's per dose prices are great, but the total price packs a wallop at those bulk quantities.

    I'd post the prices, but he insists on the disclaimer being posted alongside it and their disclaimer is a novel.
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    Originally posted by tatortodd
    Thanks ww7,

    instynct's per dose prices are great, but the total price packs a wallop at those bulk quantities.

    I'd post the prices, but he insists on the disclaimer being posted alongside it and their disclaimer is a novel.
    Yeah it's better just to email him.
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    Instycnt's a good guy and for those who are wary of buying from him...don't be. He does sell only large bulk quantities...so know what you are getting into before hand, but all his products are great quality and he definetly has some interesting products. That said...I usually don't have the capital myself so I just use BAC.
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    This thread has gotten me all psyched up on trying the stack! I'm just wrapping up my ph cycle and am about to start post cycle therapy. Is there anything I should be aware of about this stack while on 6oxo and nolva?
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    hes a pain in the behind to order from imo but he seems to be be a very good guy
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    Originally posted by windwords7


    Min Dosing of Ingredients of Anarchy Stack:

    Alcar- 2 doses of 500mg daily

    CLA- 3-4 grams per meal

    Option 1) ALA- 600mg per meal (unless your eating like 8 times a day then you will probably want to do 300mg per meal).

    Option 2) R-ALA 200mg per meal

    Green Tea- At least half a gallon a day of liquid and if you supplement pop a couple pills per meal.
    Looking for feedback on how I'm planning to incorporate the Anarchy Stack into my existing supplement regimen.

    Alcar - 500 mg at breakfast, lunch, and midafternoon/preworkout snack. Some people have mentioned trouble sleeping if taking within 5 hours of bed so that's my thought process on no evening Alcar.

    CLA- skip it due to cost

    ALA - two different sources

    Total of 1 Tbsp Health from the Sun Total EFA Oil to give me a total of 6200 mg ALA and 288 mg GLA between my breakfast and before bed shakes.

    100mg of R-ALA at each of the following: Mid-morning snack, Lunch, preworkout snack, and post workout shake. I'm following a low carb/low GI diet so I'm thinking I can get away with less than 200 mg.

    Green Tea- combo of drinking it in the morning, taking Now 400 mg at Lunch, and what I get in my thermogenic. I'm caffeine sensitive so definitely none late in the day.

    Biotin - already getting 250 mcg between my multi and my B-100 Complex.

    Thermogenic - Fitness Labs Diet Stack at breakfast and midafternoon/preworkout snack.

    Diet - Been on Atkins maintenance since October but will be switching to TKD at cals 500 below maintenance.

    Workout - After work 5 days a week. 3 days weights and 2 days of med intensity cardio for 45 min.

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    Dude you have to cycle your EFA's and ALA's on different days. Read this:

    http://www.animalkits.be/phpBB/viewt...695&forum=1&23

    Other than that looks good.
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    wait....what?? Think we got a little derailed on the last few posts. BJ's thread was to alternate CLA and EFA...not ALA and EFA dosing scheme:
    thus day one its 3-4g CLA x4 a day
    day two EFA's and 600mg (at least racemic) 3-5x a day.


    Also in regard to todd's stack. I think your a little confused there man:
    the r-ala is good...but 100mg 3x a day is very low, but if you are on keto it is ok.
    the ala in EFA oil is alpha-linoleic acid...not alpha lipoic. Completely different things.

    Third...ditch your non-stim thermogenic. Looks like an overpriced piece of **** IMO. Just buy Green tea extract pills, maybe some tyrosine (and use much higher then their miniscule amount) and tyramine/yohimbine. Any other cash use on anarchy or other needs.
    Finally, your biotin level is very low...250mcg is what I take 4x a day at least.
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    Sorry, I missed that one. Yeah I've read of results on 200mg of r-ala with each meal though. I personally will be running 300-600per meal of r-ala instead of my 900-1200 of ALA that I am running now. But since your low carb and you have not done this stack, try 100 and see for youself, you will have to sort out what works and ajust accordingly for your body. He is already running green tea although you might increase the dosages. I would if I were you. But again, try and see what works.
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    I don't think you need more then 300mg r-ala. I use 200 most times even with my larger post workout meals and it seems plenty, over 300 might just be a little overkill but if you have the cash go for it.
    I just mentioned buying green tea extract because I think his thermo is complete ****....no eph, no caff, so its a non stim type but seems to be mostly junk or underdosed for a high price tag.

    by the way...how are results for everyone? Im just about 2 weeks post cycle and my strength is still going up while my weight slowly goes down. lovin this stuff.
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    Originally posted by tatortodd
    Green Tea- combo of drinking it in the morning, taking Now 400 mg at Lunch, and what I get in my thermogenic. I'm caffeine sensitive so definitely none late in the day.

    ~Todd
    I think he is taking an extract apart from his non stim thermo.....
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    I missed that part I guess...my bad. That said...drop the ripoff thermo and concentrate on other stuff.
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    i agree with scotty...dump the ripoff thermogenic..
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    Originally posted by motleybreu
    i agree with scotty...dump the ripoff thermogenic..
    Agreed, not worth it.
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    Just letting you know I placed an order with dextersportscience on tuesday and got it today. They are pretty cheap and great to deal with in my one experience with them. I would give them a try if someone needs some stuff
    NOT an IFORCE rep, but their new VMS Protean is amazing. I also dropped 15lbs on the testabolan2 and rev2 stack last month.
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    Originally posted by Scottyo
    Also in regard to todd's stack. I think your a little confused there man: the ala in EFA oil is alpha-linoleic acid...not alpha lipoic. Completely different things.
    Thanks for catching that. I can't believe that HFS put ALA in quotes next to alpha-linoleic acid on their label.

    Scottyo, windwords7, and motleybreu - thanks for the feedback. It looks like dumping the thermo will free up money for 2 more GT tabs ED plus 8g of CLA EOD.

    ~Todd
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    Nice to hear bro....keep us updated.
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    do you guys get your cla,ala, and alcar from animal? seems like they have the best prices
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    um did anybody else see this or am i blind in one eye and cant see out the other?http://www.dextersportscience.com/pr...t.cfm?catid=12
    there advertising 215 NOW gelcaps for 22.79!!!!
    and there 180 cap bottle is 18.04 thats awesome
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    Originally posted by wojo
    um did anybody else see this or am i blind in one eye and cant see out the other?http://www.dextersportscience.com/pr...t.cfm?catid=12
    there advertising 215 NOW gelcaps for 22.79!!!!
    and there 180 cap bottle is 18.04 thats awesome
    Very good deal!!
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    theyefinitely have some killer prices
    NOT an IFORCE rep, but their new VMS Protean is amazing. I also dropped 15lbs on the testabolan2 and rev2 stack last month.
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    yeah but how good is the quality of the CLA? Cheap price=cheap product in some cases
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    nevemind, just had to think lol, answered my own question dont you love when the lightbulb goes off
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    MB, when you going to start it?
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    ive used NOW cla consistently for the last 6 months with very few noticable results. I'm gonna give instynct's tonalin a run. the feedback is positive and the price for 2000 caps is unbeatable i feel (but as you guys say most cant afford to fork out $275 in one hit). I also just started on animal's ALC caps to round off the stack and I'll post here if i notice anything body comp. wise.
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    How many grams of CLA are you running a day MJC?
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    Originally posted by windwords7
    How many grams of CLA are you running a day MJC?
    ww7, i went as high as 18 grams / day on the NOW stuff without noticing too much, but bear in mind i wasn't using ALC at the time which is spose to enhance CLA's effects.. I was also taking it with my EFAs (EPH/DHA and GLA) which could have messed absorbsion up a bit. Right now i just taking borage oil and fish oil until instyncter's stuff gets here.

    One thing i've noticed is that the ALC seems to work well on a higher fat diet as i feel i'm metabolising the fat better and i've dropped a few kgs as well. But again i ran out the the NOW CLA right before i started on animal's ALC so i could have just dumped some water weight, i dunno yet.
    Also, my r-ala seems to be metabolising the carbs a little better with the addition of ALC. IMO ALCAR seems like a winner so far, i just 'feel better' in general and more alert throughout the day.

    MJ

    btw, you guys tried to get into animalkits lately? there's been a lockdown of sorts
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    You have to pay for Animals board now. Not going to happen.....
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    Hey all, quick update:

    Im on Day 12 of cycle of androgens had yet to see ANY weight gain at all. Not even one pound! So, two days ago (actually all day yesterday and half of the day before) I decided to take a break from the Anarchy stack and see what would happen. I weigh in the morning and have been 150 for ever now. This morning I was 154. I have no doubt that the A stack was playing a large roll in my zero weight gain. Interesting stuff!
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    Lets get some **** straight. This is why I want to take this stack:

    My adrenal glands are shot to death. As a result of 2 years of Stimulants w/o much of time off. This time last year I was 140lbs, after eating more, and bulking I moved to 210. I have 20% bf and would love to keep ALL my muscle and lose the BF.

    I want to try this Stack. But I am very confused. The only ingredient I understand ALA- Alpha Lipoic Acid? Am I correct? Forgive me, but I am not too great with the supplement names. At least these.

    Sorry if I am being a pain.

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