Acetyl L-Carnitine (Alcar) and the Anarchy Stack...post in here!

[wojo]

maybe because its a secure site its saved in my favorites and worx well just goto www.beyond-a-century.com they have alcar for 120 caps at 500 mgs for 1995 or 100grams for 12.50

 

[windwords7]

http://www.ifp.kvl.dk/staff/pharmacology/jens_lykkesfeldt/publications.html

Great list of links to studies in here.

 

[JWest0926]

whats biotin do? I did a search, but didnt find what i was looking for....

JWest

 

[windwords7]

whats biotin do? I did a search, but didnt find what i was looking for....

JWest

Biotin is a water soluable vitamin that is a part of the B-Vitamin complex. Biotin is essential for the metabolism of proteins and carbohydrates (like the other B vitamins), and in the synthesis of hormones and cholesterol.

 

[motleybreu]

biotin is in my multivitamin...if i were to use it in the anarchy stack would i take more? 300mcg in the vitamin

 

[windwords7]

I'm not even sure where the Biotin came into this conversation! I dont believe it is essential to the stack.

 

[Scottyo]

Biotin is very important if using ALA so yes, it is a very good addition to the stack. Also it is dirt cheap....BAC has it for like 8 bucks for around a 3 month supply, can also get it at most grocery stores. I take 3-5mg a day...so 300 mcg is not enough IMO.
High ALA use depletes biotin stores from the body, especially racemic ala. Biotin is important for joint care and is also known for blood glucose lowering properties. I think with its price to efficacy ratio...it is a great add.
Further, I have read EVERY study on animal's board (well most at least) regarding CLA, and while I don't doubt that it does have some benefits, I believe the r-ala and ALCAR lower the area under the curve enough at a reasonable price.

 

[windwords7]

Biotin is very important if using ALA so yes, it is a very good addition to the stack. Also it is dirt cheap....BAC has it for like 8 bucks for around a 3 month supply, can also get it at most grocery stores. I take 3-5mg a day...so 300 mcg is not enough IMO.
High ALA use depletes biotin stores from the body, especially racemic ala. Biotin is important for joint care and is also known for blood glucose lowering properties. I think with its price to efficacy ratio...it is a great add.
Further, I have read EVERY study on animal's board (well most at least) regarding CLA, and while I don't doubt that it does have some benefits, I believe the r-ala and ALCAR lower the area under the curve enough at a reasonable price.

Well that answers the biotin question. Thanks scottyo.

 

[Scottyo]

Anytime The stuff is so cheap that its almost a no brainer to add....more of a pain remembering to take it then paying for it. But I have noticed significant improvement with its addition.

 

[windwords7]

I have begun......I feel GREAT on Acetyl L-Carnitine (Alcar). I will keep you informed.

 

[Scottyo]

Told ya ALCAR just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside (not really, but you do notice it thats for sure).

 

[windwords7]

Told ya ALCAR just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside (not really, but you do notice it thats for sure).

Ive only done a half a gram and man do I feel great!

 

[wojo]

might be a nice compliment to alcar..talked about a lot on animalsboard too..taken from another site..btw it is cheap as hell
Vinpocetine , Vinpocetine is a powerful brain and memory enhancer that may yet eclipse all other smart drugs. Vinpocetine , it improves blood flow to the brain, makes it easier for the brain to use glucose and oxygen, and allows the brain to survive longer and better after periods of oxygen deprivation.

Vinpocetine is also known as: Cavinton; VinRx; Periwinkle; myrtle Vincapervinc; cezayirmeneksesi.

Health Benefits:
Vinpocetine increases the production of Adenosine Triphosphate(ATP) within the Brain's Neurons.
Vinpocetine may prevent and help to treat Alzheimer's Disease.
Vinpocetine improves Blood Circulation within the Brain.
Vinpocetine prevents and treats Multiple Infarct Dementia.
Vinpocetine alleviates Depression in 74% of cases.
Vinpocetine improves the Brain's utilization of Glucose.
Vinpocetine alleviates Headaches in 78% of Patients.
Vinpocetine improves Memory in normal healthy persons.
Vinpocetine Healthy subjects exhibited significant Short-Term Memory improvement 1 hour after taking 40mg of Vinpocetine(62%).
Vinpocetine improves the Brain's utilization of Oxygen and increases the resistance of Neurons to the damage that would otherwise be caused by Hypoxia.
Vinpocetine alleviates Speech Impairment in 55% of cases.
Vinpocetine prevents and treats Stroke

Sleep Disorders:
Vinpocetine alleviates several types of Sleep disorders.
Vinpocetine alleviates Insomnia

Eyesight:
Vinpocetine improves Eyesight in many persons afflicted with Eyesight disorders.

Hearing:
Vinpocetine improves impaired Hearing
Vinpocetine alleviates Vertigo in 77% of patients.

Sexual Systems - Females:
The side-effects of Female Menopause respond well to Vinpocetine.

Vinpocetine use was introduced first into eastern European countries in the mid-1970s, for medical treatment of cerebrovascular disorders such as stroke, and hardening or blockage of brain arteries. In one clinical study of Vinpocetine, stroke patients were asked to memorize a list of ten words. Without Vinpocetine the subjects were able to memorize an average of six. After four weeks treatment with Vinpocetine the average went up to ten words.

As Vinpocetine’s use became more widespread, physicians began using it to successfully treat the mental impairment caused by these medical conditions and as a potent neuroprotective supplement.

Several brain boosters (ginkgo biloba, vitamin E, phosphatidylserine, to name just a few) are known to help restore failing memory, but Vinpocetine dramatically enhances memory in even healthy individuals. It also acts as a potent neuroprotective supplement.

Strong clinical evidence exists that, in addition to its brain boosting properties, Vinpocetine’s ability to improve blood flow also helps protect brain and heart function; prevent macular degeneration, (a leading cause of blindness in the elderly); improve hearing and inner ear problems; and even lessen depression and fatigue.




Side-Effects of Vinpocetine:
Vinpocetine has no adverse interactions with other Smart Drugs or Pharmaceutical Drugs and the following side-effects occur in only 1% of Vinpocetine users.

Vinpocetine occasionally causes (transient) Hypotension (lowered Blood Pressure)
Vinpocetine can (rarely) cause (transient) Tachycardia.
Vinpocetine can (rarely) cause Dry Mouth.

Contraindications:
People who are prone to Hypotention (low Blood Pressure) should reduce the recommended dosage and monitor their Blood Pressure whilst using Vinpocetine.
Vinpocetine Should not be used by Females during Pregnancy.


Dosage Recommendations:
Commencement dosage: 15-30mg first time used
Maintenance dosage: 10mg per day
Maintenance dosage for Alzheimer's disease: 15mg per day


Please note: This statement has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This product is not intended to diagnose, cure, or prevent any disease.

References
Ishchenko MM, et al. “The effect of kavinton (vinpocetine) and korglycon on the central and cerebral hemodynamics of patients with an ischemic stroke in stenoses and occlusions of the major cerebral arteries.” Lik Sprava (6):120-4, Aug 1998.

Tohgi, H., Sasaki, K. Chiba, K., Nozaki, Y. “Effect of vinpocetine on oxygen release of hemoglobin and erythrocyte organic polyphosphate concentrations in patients with vascular dementia of the Binswanger type. Arzneim-Forsch 40(I), 6, 640-643, Jun 1990.

Akopov, SE, Gabrielian, ES. “Effects of aspirin, dipyridamole, nifedipine and cavinton (vinpocetine) which act on platelet aggregation induced by different aggregating agents alone and in combination.” Eur J Clin Pharmacol 42, 257-259, 1992.

Hayakawa, M. “Effect of vinpocetine on red blood cell deformability in stroke patients.” Arzneim-Forsch 42 (I), 4, 425-427, Apr 1992.

Miyazaki, M. “The effect of a cerebral vasodilator, vinpocetine, on cerebral vascular resistance evaluated by the Doppler ultrasonic technique in patients with cerebrovascular diseases.” Angiology 46(1):53-8, Jan 1995.

Kiss B, Karpati E. “Mechanism of action of vinpocetine.” Acta Pharm Hung 66(5):213-24, Sep 1996.

Rischke R, Krieglstein J. “Protective effect of vinpocetine against brain damage caused by ischemia.” Jpn J Pharmacol 56(3):349-56, Jul 1991.

 

[wojo]

looks like i will be going with
r-ala
green tea extract
vin and
alcar of course

oops forgot the biotin

 

[Scottyo]

Looks good bro....how cheap and where for the vin. i know BJ was a huge fan of it along with the piracetam. If its cheap Ill add it in.

 

[wojo]

ok vitaminshoppe has it
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/browse/sku_detail.jhtml?SkuID=228860&BreadCrumbType=SearchResult
as does kilo..kilos price is 70 bucks for 1000 10mg tabs (u only need 3 a day)
im gonna buy 180 cap bottle from VS first and try it out. if its good to go i'll buy the bulk from kilo
btw heres a cheap site for the piracetam if interested(well as cheap as that stuff gets lol)
http://www.livingnaturally.com/shop/product_view.asp?id=18084&StoreID=VNP3KN5J3HSR2L1D0G03N0ET9VTJ27C2&private_product=1

 

[windwords7]

Well I just downed my second Alcar a second ago. That first one lasts along time but I want to get to a gram a day and I finally felt ready to take a second one. Took the first around 8:00am. Other than that having no problems with CLA and ALA that I can speak of yet. Will let you know.

 

[Scottyo]

Just saw BAC has vin at 120tabs of 5mg for 10.50 or 50grams powder for 8.50.

Also, has it mixed with huperizine


Gotta do more research on these myself. let me know your results. I think the pir is a bit pricey for my tastes.

 

[wojo]

yep pir is def pricey..but im def gonna run the vin so i will let ya know and thanx for the prices with bac looks like that will be my one stop shop

 

[windwords7]

Bumped my CLA to 12-15 grams a day, my Alcar is 1G a day, and my ALA is 300-600mg per meal (4-5) times a day.

I have smelly piss from the ala and I feel warmer all the time. That's about it for now.

 

[windwords7]

Oh, I added in Q 10 as well starting today.

 

[wojo]

yeah my piss smelled like burning rubber..why q-10? think ur gonna love cla at that dose ...so ur not having any probs with alcar on effexor ww7? my gf is on that and i wanna get her on alcar

 

[windwords7]

Q10 is just another awesome free radical eliminator. It's cheap and a pharm company overseas is actually selling Alcar, Q10 and ALA as a drug. So I figured why not add it.

I am on Serzone and I am having no problems with the Alcar and it combined. I see no reason, from what I have read, that it would interefere with a anti-d but you would have to test it out on yourself and see how you reacted. Just MO.

 

[wojo]

ok got ya..damn wish i would have known about the q-10 i just made my order from bac gonna do some research into it..nac might be of some note too

 

[motleybreu]

this is a very informative thread...considering doing the anarchy stack myself now lol...lot of good info in here

 

[windwords7]

this is a very informative thread...considering doing the anarchy stack myself now lol...lot of good info in here

Yeah MB, I am very excited about the multiple benefits this stack provides.

 

[motleybreu]

since i dont know you to well whatre your stats...height, weight, goals...just comparing myself and trying to get as much info as possible before i start..

 

[motleybreu]

and doses

 

[wojo]

CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10)
CoQ10 is a vitamin-like compound also called ubiquinone. It is an essential component of cells and is utilized by the mitochondria in the normal process of energy production. It helps convert food into energy at a very basic, cellular level and it is an antioxidant. CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10) is one in a series of ubiquinones, naturally occurring compounds produced in nearly every cell of the body, and was discovered as recently as 1957. This Coenzyme Q10 is the highest quality available and synergistically blended with Bioperine™ which has been demonstrated to aid in absorption.

Doctors commonly prescribe CoQ10 (coenzyme Q10) to treat heart disease in Japan, Sweden, Italy, Canada, and other countries.

Common Uses for CoQ10:

Improves the heart and circulation in those with congestive heart failure, a weakened heart muscle (cardiomyopathy), high blood pressure, heart rhythm disorders, chest pain (angina), or Raynaud's disease.

Treats gum disease and maintains health gums and teeth.

Protects the nerves and may help slow Alzheimer's or Parkinson's disease.

May help prevent cancer and heart disease, and play a role in slowing down age-related degenerative changes.

May improve the course of AIDS or cancer.

Q10 has shown small significant benefit in treating ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease, and it has also has been used to treat a range of rare pediatric neurological diseases.

Because any disease process that involves free radical damage could be treated with coenzyme Q10, the theoretical therapeutic potential of this compound seems limitless. Cataracts, macular degeneration, side effects of chemotherapy and skin damage related to radiation exposure could all be helped by doses of Q10, proponents believe.

The primary function of CoQ10 (coenzyme Q10) is as a catalyst for metabolism - the complex chain of chemical reactions during which food is broken down into packets of energy that the body can use. Acting in conjunction with enzymes, the compound speeds up the vital metabolic process, providing the energy that the cells need to digest food, heal wounds, maintain healthy muscles, and perform countless other bodily functions. Because of the nutrient's essential role in energy production, it's not surprising that it is found in every cell in the body. It is especially abundant in the energy-intensive cells of the heart, helping this organ beat more than 100,000 times each day. In addition, coenzyme Q10 acts as an antioxidant, much like vitamins C and E, helping to neutralize the cell-damaging molecules known as free radicals.

CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10) may play a role in preventing cancer, heart attacks, and other diseases linked to free-radical damage. It's also used as a general energy enhancer and anti-aging supplement. Because levels of the compound diminish with age (and with certain diseases), some doctors recommend daily supplementation beginning about age 40.

CoQ10 has generated much excitement as a possible therapy for heart disease, especially congestive heart failure or a weakened heart. In some studies, patients with a poorly functioning heart have been found to improve greatly after adding the supplement to their conventional drugs and therapies. Other studies have shown that people with cardiovascular disease have low levels of this substance in their heart. Further research suggest that CoQ10 may protect against blood clots, lower high blood pressure, diminish irregular heartbeats, treat mitral valve prolapse, lessen symptoms of Raynaud's disease (poor circulation in the extremities), and relieve chest pains (angina).

A few small studies suggest that CoQ10 may prolong survival in those with breast or prostate cancer, though results remain inconclusive. It also appears to aid healing and reduce pain and bleeding in those with gum disease, and speed recovery following oral surgery. CoQ10 shows some promise against Parkinson's and Alzheimer's Diseases and fibromyalgia, and it may improve stamina in those with AIDS. Certain practitioners believe the nutrient helps stabilize blood sugar levels in people with diabetes. There are many other claims make for CoQ10 that it slows aging, aids weight loss, enhances athletic performance, combats chronic fatigue syndrome, relieves multiple allergies, and boosts immunity.

For daily supplementation, the dosage range is from 30 - 100 mg, with the most common dosage at 30 mg. It takes up to eight weeks to see results with CoQ10. There are no known significant side effects or drug interactions.

The above statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.


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[wojo]

pretty good stuff

 

[wojo]

a great place to start if u missed it

LMAO- http://www.animalkits.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=4754&forum=1&224

Another Admin here swears by it in combonation with ALA and CLA which is now called the "anarchy stack". Yeah the stack works and works well. 28 pounds in 2 months with little to no muscle loss is outsanding!

such a good post wanted to rpost it in case anyone missed it

 

[motleybreu]

what you guys think of using ala and r-ala instead of ala and cla? cla is just so damn expensive

 

[windwords7]

what you guys think of using ala and r-ala instead of ala and cla? cla is just so damn expensive

Just use R-ala and Alcar if your going to cut something out but if you can afford to, I would try to the CLA as well.

 

[wojo]

using reg and -rala together is pointless imo
here
http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4728&highlight=ala+info*

 

[windwords7]

Wow. Kilosports has Green Tea Extracts 1000 count ( 50% 50mg Polyphenols) for 29.95. Not a bad deal at all!

 

[jweave23]

Originally posted by wojo
using reg and -rala together is pointless imo
here
http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4728&highlight=ala+info*

yes, one or the other, my preference is R.

 

[motleybreu]

yea thats what i thought...even though CLA is a chief component in the stack i just can't afford it..12-15g is a lot of money. i can't wait to start

 

[windwords7]

yes, one or the other, my preference is R.

After this bottle, R-Ala will be my choice.

 

[NPursuit]

This thread has gotten pretty scattered. Could someone recap the stack and the best places they have found them in one reply?

 

[windwords7]

This thread has gotten pretty scattered. Could someone recap the stack and the best places they have found them in one reply?

Min Dosing of Ingredients of Anarchy Stack:

Alcar- 2 doses of 500mg daily

CLA- 3-4 grams per meal

Option 1) ALA- 600mg per meal (unless your eating like 8 times a day then you will probably want to do 300mg per meal).

Option 2) R-ALA 200mg per meal

Green Tea- At least half a gallon a day of liquid and if you supplement pop a couple pills per meal.

 

[NPursuit]

Thankya Wind. I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's results. I'm going to hold off a bit myself. I just have way too many supps in my regiment right now.

 

[motleybreu]

you'll have to wait a little while for my results hehe i'm not ready to cut i'm also gonna do 2 weeks of ucp-1

 

[jweave23]

Originally posted by NPursuit
Thankya Wind. I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's results. I'm going to hold off a bit myself. I just have way too many supps in my regiment right now.

lol, tell me about it, that's why I'm not doing it now! I'm going to try it post cycle though.

 

[Scottyo]

The Anarchy stack is not just for cutting. Thats the great benefit of it. It simply aids in fat burning AND muscle building/anti catabolism and is thus being considered teh Holy Grail of BBing. WW7's dosing is pretty accurate, but you can very it up a bit. Personally, I have not used the CLA even though I know its benefits, but since the funds are not great I have stuck with r-ala, alcar, biotin and green tea and really like it.
Dosing is:
Alcar 500mgx3-4 times a day
r-ala 200mg 3-4 times a day
Green tea-varies but a few cups and multiple caps a day
Biotin-2mg 4 times a day (or 3 3 times)

Theoretically, one of CLA's major benefits is its anticatobolic properties, and as I am coming off a lean bulking cycle I don't have as much of a need for it.
Also, let us know how the COq 10 is. I have heard mentions of replacing the ala with it as they do similar functions. Wondering on the cost/benefit ratio of this.

 

[windwords7]

You all should really read some the of testimonies of being on this stack:

http://www.animalkits.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=6008&forum=1&144

http://www.animalkits.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=4754&forum=1&225

 

[windwords7]

Oh BTW, I just had some of the best pumps of my life in the gym tonight. It was outstanding. My muscles were so engorged with blood it was incredible. Vascularity has already increased and I did not expect either thing to happen. I found out from a vet of the stack that it is normal! Whoo hoo!

 

[windwords7]

Each day on Alcar has been better than the last so far. I may go to a gram and half a day here before to long. Running 12-15 grams a day now of CLA and 1800mg a day of ALA.

 

[RM BiggaFigga]

I have a question about the timing of taking ALA on this stack. ALA is supposed to help stabilize blood sugar levels, right? So what happens if I consume, say, five meals a day, three of them p+c, two of them p+f. Would I only want to take the ALA (or r-ALA) with the p+c meals? Would this affect the timing of taking the CLA? Thanks.

-RM

 

[windwords7]

I have a question about the timing of taking ALA on this stack. ALA is supposed to help stabilize blood sugar levels, right? So what happens if I consume, say, five meals a day, three of them p+c, two of them p+f. Would I only want to take the ALA (or r-ALA) with the p+c meals? Would this affect the timing of taking the CLA? Thanks.

-RM

It may a little but I think consistency matters most here. I take ALA everytime I eat or drink a shake period. 300-600 per meal/shake.

 

[motleybreu]

keep it up and keep us informed ww7. I can't wait to try this stuff lol im pysched