CLA is way too expensive for me...maybe ww7 can handle that at legalgear...right now im running ALCAR 1.5-2g, 1g ALA, 2g biotin, 1410mg of green tea extract.

...just out of curiousity, what's the caffeine content of your green tea extract? I just ask this b/c many fail to consider when dosing massive amounts of the stuff, and if you're looking for better insulin/glucose management, having a ****-load of C in your system will actually be working against the actions of the rest of the stack. If it's C-free extract, you're golden, but if you're getting 40mg/cap, you might be doing just as much harm as good...

[motleybreu]

the amount of caffeine is not listed......

what brand are you using? I'd email their customer service dept. I know Jarrow's is 30-40mg per cap. Don't know about Now's or anybody else's...

I usually just drink a ****-load of decaf green tea, since I've never been able to find a quality decaf extract at a reasonable price-- although I must admit, this form of green tea use can be a serious pain in the ass...

speaking of which, I think it's 'brew-time!'

[methodice]

Hi,

I have used ALA and ALCAR before and been happy with it.

I finally got some CLA today. The only one I could get here in Australia was the optimum nutrition brand:

Each softgel contains 1000 mg of CLA One (r) that yields 750 mg total CLA and 700 mg of active isomers.
ON the website they dont say anything about the actual isomers in the product.

Anyone have an opinion about this brand.

Also do people know about all the different numbers of isomers of CLA there are and the ones manufactured are different to the ones you get in food. I dunno what the studies people use to back up claims are. ANyone have a current opinion or research about this.

ALso I noticed one guy having FISH OIL one one day and having CLA the next day and NOT mixing them.... why does he do that. I also use fish oil, should I do the same as he does?


ANd one other thing, why do i have to take the CLA with meals, and CAN I only take like 3 caps each time and it will still do something for me? or does it have to reach a critical mass dosage?

your advice is much appreciated guys

[methodice]

oh and one other thing how does CLA compare to the way chromium works

[custom]

Fish oil and CLA can work for the same receptor/digestion process, so no, they should not be used on the same day. As far as isomers, some people make a big deal about Tonalin, which has more of the active isomers, but I do not think the price warrents it.

[windwords7]

Originally posted by methodice
oh and one other thing how does CLA compare to the way chromium works

Well considering Chromium doesnt work, CLA works very well in comparison

[windwords7]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...08#post1589308

OK, bro's lets go over and tell them how freaking good this stuff is! I get so tired of the cynical BS from certain folks over there.....thanks for your help.

[EVANESCENCE]

I may have over looked something. But why isn't anyone trying the ALCAR by 1fast400 ??
it is 70 grams for 11.00
Powder.

[khafra]

You have indeed overlooked something. His price, which is good, was discussed earlier as well as beyond-a-century.com's price, which is even better. Legalgear's is the best price for the whole package, from one place.

[EVANESCENCE]

Thanks.

[methodice]

CAN I only take like 3 caps each time and it will still do something for me? or does it have to reach a critical mass dosage?

[methodice]

of CLA that is

[pu12en12g]

For those of you that have used ECA or NYC or even just Yohimbine HCL by itself, how does this ALC/ALA stack compare ?

The reason I ask is because I have seen crazy results within even the first week on just Yohimbine HCL, so that is kind of my benchmark now results-wise. If I was going to drop $$ on these higher dosages you guys are talking about I'm curious about how it compares.

FYI: I have taken ALA and ALC (stopped taking CLA) since about 6 monhts ago, but never in the high dosages mentioned for this stack.

[dito]

Originally posted by pu12en12g
For those of you that have used ECA or NYC or even just Yohimbine HCL by itself, how does this ALC/ALA stack compare ?

The reason I ask is because I have seen crazy results within even the first week on just Yohimbine HCL, so that is kind of my benchmark now results-wise. If I was going to drop $$ on these higher dosages you guys are talking about I'm curious about how it compares.

FYI: I have taken ALA and ALC (stopped taking CLA) since about 6 monhts ago, but never in the high dosages mentioned for this stack.

Im taking Y-HCL with it. Ill let you know how my fat loss goes.

[Sanosuke]

was wondering if anyone considered adding trimethylglycine(Betaine) to the stack?

a few things i read about it stated:

Body building: In the animal husbandry field, TMG is used to decrease fat and increase meat yield. While human studies have just started, a 200 pound individual with 20% body fat can expect to lose as much as 5 pounds of fat and gain as much as 12 pounds of muscle. Dose range: 500-2,000 mg daily

it also raises S-Adenosyl-Methionine(SAM) levels so it acts as an anti-depressant

I know its in v-12 an other supplements and its really cheap at BAC 150grams for like 7 bucks

 

[windwords7]

Originally posted by Sanosuke
was wondering if anyone considered adding trimethylglycine(Betaine) to the stack?

a few things i read about it stated:

Body building: In the animal husbandry field, TMG is used to decrease fat and increase meat yield. While human studies have just started, a 200 pound individual with 20% body fat can expect to lose as much as 5 pounds of fat and gain as much as 12 pounds of muscle. Dose range: 500-2,000 mg daily

it also raises S-Adenosyl-Methionine(SAM) levels so it acts as an anti-depressant

I know its in v-12 an other supplements and its really cheap at BAC 150grams for like 7 bucks

 

Im going to check it out. Found this real quick though....

Betaine supplementation decreases plasma homocysteine concentrations but does not affect body weight, body composition, or resting energy expenditure in human subjects.

Schwab U, Torronen A, Toppinen L, Alfthan G, Saarinen M, Aro A, Uusitupa M.

Department of Clinical Nutrition, University of Kuopio, Kuopio, Finland. ursula.schwab@uku.fi

BACKGROUND: Betaine (trimethylglycine) is found in several tissues in humans. It is involved in homocysteine metabolism as an alternative methyl donor and is used in the treatment of homocystinuria in humans. In pigs, betaine decreases the amount of adipose tissue. OBJECTIVE: The aim of the study was to examine the effect of betaine supplementation on body weight, body composition, plasma homocysteine concentrations, blood pressure, and serum total and lipoprotein lipids. DESIGN: Forty-two obese, white subjects (14 men, 28 women) treated with a hypoenergetic diet were randomly assigned to a betaine-supplemented group (6 g/d) or a control group given placebo for 12 wk. The intervention period was preceded by a 4-wk run-in period with a euenergetic diet. RESULTS: Body weight, resting energy expenditure, and fat mass decreased significantly in both groups with no significant difference between the groups. Plasma homocysteine concentrations decreased in the betaine group ( +/- SD: 8.76 +/- 1.63 micro mol/L at 4 wk, 7.93 +/- 1.52 micro mol/L at 16 wk; P = 0.030 for the interaction of time and treatment). Diastolic blood pressure decreased without a significant difference between the groups. Serum total and LDL-cholesterol concentrations were higher in the betaine group than in the control group (P < 0.05). CONCLUSION: A hypoenergetic diet with betaine supplementation (6 g daily for 12 wk) decreased the plasma homocysteine concentration but did not affect body composition more than a hypoenergetic diet without betaine supplementation did.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12399266 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[LunaHotel]

Hey I just got my own ALC and ALA, I'm not taking the CLA for cost reasons. My girl friend also is using about 1-1.5 g ALC and 900mg ALA (with about 1.5mg Biotin) a day and she says this makes her quite lethargic.

I don't have that problem, and I told her to take an ECA stack with it, which she does. But I'd like to know if this is expected?

Also, what kind of difference can I look at from taking green tea extract with this? What is the function of green tea in this stack?

Thanks, as always.

PS : I'mma post some BEFORE pics in a couple days, and (hopefully) also AFTER pics, in about 30 days of running the stack. Cheers!