Primordial Performance + FDA Raid!
- 03-18-2013, 12:12 AM
- 03-18-2013, 01:31 AM
who wants to call the fda and ask about it?
- 03-18-2013, 05:43 AM
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03-18-2013, 05:33 PM
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03-18-2013, 09:08 PM
God this forum never changes, makes me wonder why I don't post here anymore. Oh wait, this IS why.
I voiced my opinion on this on my own message board, anyone is free to look it up if they wish.
Let me give a basic summary:
- This did happen, although I was a "just a rep" for the company, my involvement was significantly more than most see in their typical rep positions receiving their free $20 of sugar powder a month.
- I spoke to many people who lost their 9-5 over this, many of which became quite good friends with me over time. I also lost a significant amount of income that I made through this role. (Lucky for me, it was expendable cash, as I had a 9-5 at the time, and now a lucrative career).
-The link that dick tracy posted above (Yes, you can bask in the glory of me giving you this title on more than one forum) for a "new company" that eric created after the raid is not really news to anyone that was tied to the company. Eric had plans for a sister company going back years before the raid. Although the direction of that company now has to change drastically, did you really expect eric to pack up and just stop trying to make money in an industry he dedicated all of his time to? Please.
-Eric had a lot of financing supporting this company. I know most seem ignorant to how the real world works, but do you really think that their creditors would just take their word for it? Do you really think that a company could publicly lie about the actions of a federal agency in terms of something of that magnitude, especially a company that was selling over the counter prohormones and really wouldn't want the extra attention? I think you guys are smoking those sugar powders now....
-I had spoken to numerous other "industry" guys, one of which recommended me a lawyer with industry experience. I passed the referral on to Eric, and received confirmation both from Eric and the person who provided me the referral that Eric indeed spoke to this lawyer about the situation, down to a discussion on cost (one of which, due to industry experience, Eric could not afford). So I assume Eric went through all of this non public backend work just to support his lie?
-There were employees present at the office at the time of the raid. One of which I spoke to in detail about the event. Did this employee support Eric's lie just to lose his very own job at the same time? What about the people in shipping/accounting/graphic design/web devs, etc.. They did this at the expense of their job to support Eric in a lie?
-The card posted on the PP message board was in fact real. The employee who posted it was contacted directly shortly after the post with a direct request for it to be removed. The employee had to contact me immediately because I was in the middle of running a program that was mirroring the information on our message board, and he wanted to ensure that it was not going to be reposted to my own site based on the conversation he had with government employees. At the time, I also received a side warning from this employee about monitoring of emails, etc.. and how I could expect my own personal email addresses were probably subject to the same.
-If this was a last ditch effort to raise funds, why would the products that we had the largest margins on and the easiest time selling be the ones we lie about being confiscated? Wouldn't we want the funds from these products? Why rely on selling things like toco-8 and other natural products that raised the least amount of revenue for us be what we relied on for revenue? It just doesn't make any sense. You can claim we didn't have the stock, but I know with absolute certainty that we had a very large amount of stock in andro products, and while I can't speak to sustain alpha topical's stock, I know I could say the same for Dermatherm target.
-It seems the guys who support this sort of bull**** are the same suspects seen at any other mention of potential controversy. Different day, same ****.
03-18-2013, 09:28 PM
^^^ pretty much sums it up
this thread is laughable, more time should be spent on adding muscles and not this retardedness
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03-18-2013, 09:34 PM
03-18-2013, 09:42 PM
anyone get locked up...in my neighborhood if the feds get involved in a drug bust, bet your ass some one is doing time.
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03-18-2013, 09:53 PM
Re: Primordial Performance + FDA Raid!
03-18-2013, 09:57 PM
03-18-2013, 09:59 PM
03-18-2013, 10:00 PM
I don't even need to add my 2 cents here.
( at heart )
03-18-2013, 10:09 PM
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03-19-2013, 12:27 AM
03-19-2013, 11:10 AM
K, didn't read all that, no offense, I'm not looking for more hearsay, but links to official info. It has to be out there if it's as you say.Originally Posted by HereToStudy
03-19-2013, 11:13 AM
It was said no one was arrested, even though they were investigating claims of illegal substances supposedly in the products.Originally Posted by HereToStudy
03-19-2013, 11:17 AM
I just want some links. Talking shiit is fun, but I would like some facts. Guess I'll just have to keep looking
03-19-2013, 11:32 AM
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03-19-2013, 12:03 PM
always good times round heah
it would be so nice if reps would just worry about their OWN company and company products..
would not only be a better atmosphere for the consumer, but truth is:
no matter what, we are all loosely brothers-in-arms in this industry..
the efforts spent to tear down someone else comes at expense of the industry in general
the mentality that it's "my company against yours" is small, and in the grand scheme of things speaks volumes of the individual
enjoy your conspiracy
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03-19-2013, 12:03 PM
A large portion of these government agencies' budgets are based on the fines that they dish out. Just like the local governments, they are expected to find illegal stuff going on and to fine those company/organizaitons for profits. This is how they survive from a fiscal standpoint. The more laws, the more fines, the more money they have to pay salaries/raises/increase in power & influence.
I don't like it because it encourages the government to fabricate situations, much like what has happened to Primordial Perfomance. Sure, it could all be a hoax I guess but when I read about this it didn't surprise me at all. While I don't think PP broke any laws, they were close enough to the line in the sand that the FDA could fabricate a situation and find an opportunity for fines.
It's just like when I go to court over a ticket, they don't want to do anything more than fine me for the wrongdoing. In fact, if I pay extra, they drop the charges. The feds dont operate any differently. They are no more than an org in an unfair industry trying to make profits, just like companies in the private sector.
I could be wrong about this particular instance, but I know I'm not wrong about government agencies needing to fine companies for monetary reasons. Our taxes couldn't possibly support the entire budget of the FDA, along with the other 400 agencies in existence.
03-19-2013, 12:49 PM
Re: Primordial Performance + FDA Raid!
I hear discovery channel is replacing their "Frinding Bigfoot" show with "Finding out what Happened at PP". It premeirs Monday at 8pm EST. I just set my DVR
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03-19-2013, 12:52 PM
03-19-2013, 01:20 PM
Because if I'm curious about what Eric already said, the owner, who I'm sure is also heavily involved with the company, then why read what hts had to say.Originally Posted by R1balla
Only thing that needs to be said is, here is the link to official info.
03-19-2013, 01:23 PM
I don't doubt your products contained what they claimed. I used them, more so the non hormonal stuff like endoamp max, and Toco 8.Originally Posted by HereToStudy
Attention? I guess, I just wondered something. If I really wanted attention, I would of asked this question on multiple boards, not just here.
03-19-2013, 01:27 PM
I will today.Originally Posted by jbryand101b
03-19-2013, 01:29 PM
LOL at a PP rep claiming us poverty reps get 20 bucks worth of sugar a month when PP sells DHEA snake oil.
Lord, i've seen it all now.
And not a single link or credible source was posted this day. Nice try Andro Factory.
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03-19-2013, 01:33 PM
03-19-2013, 01:51 PM
I prefer not to get into another pissing match with SNS as a company, been there, done that, no need to go there again.
I stated my involvement with the company was beyond the TYPICAL rep position paying $20 in sugar, so either you consider your company typical (I won't comment) or you are getting defensive over nothing. It is also important to
note I wasn't paid in Andro products, so I am not sure what the comment even means. You can call the andro products whatever you would like, I personally could give a **** about the products at this point since they don't exist. My conversation here is also with those involved whom I know, I don't know you, don't personally want to know you, so I don't really need to address you. If you haven't noticed, you can move on.
Your comment on price, however, is funny. I could add up every product SNS offers and run it for the 4 weeks stacked, and the results wouldn't compare to Andro-, yet the cost would exceed it. But different thread, different day. This isn't BB.com last i checked.
I commented on the link to sources earlier and I also have no affiliation to AF (quite the opposite if you are taking notes).
03-19-2013, 05:22 PM
03-19-2013, 05:58 PM
Emailed the FDA, there is a section that deals with supplements, hopefully we hear back soon and this can be put to rest.
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