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  1. It is, I don't know why I thought about it this morning, but after not seeing any followup, I became curious, and started searching for info, when I could only find talk on forums it made me suspicious.

  2. Primordial Performance + FDA Raid!


    It is very interesting that there were no news agencies or even a posting on the FDA's website about it. I have only seen it on forums and then linked to PP's forum. Seems hard to believe something like this could be made up, but definitely possible.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    It is very interesting that there were no news agencies or even a posting on the FDA's website about it. I have only seen it on forums and then linked to PP's forum. Seems hard to believe something like this could be made up, but definitely possible.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Seems hard to believe something like this could be made up.
    does it?
    bottom line: bet we'll never know the real deal
    [back to] who cares?
    if you are going to support AF, you will..if you are not, you won't
    wasteful, these threads imo

  5. gotta love the suspense..
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  6. it's good discussion. I'm sure there are people on this board that know something more.

    Like the handful of reps that quit pp just before they released the andro series. some of them had been a part of pp since it started.

    though I think people forget pp was still pretty much a new company that was only around for 6 years. I'm sure we'll see eric and some new crazy compound again in the future.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    A picture of the business card for the agent was posted on PP's website at that time, could've been a fake or real.
    You are joking right???? If it was posted then it is complete BS

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    it's good discussion. I'm sure there are people on this board that know something more.

    Like the handful of reps that quit pp just before they released the andro series. some of them had been a part of pp since it started.

    though I think people forget pp was still pretty much a new company that was only around for 6 years. I'm sure we'll see eric and some new crazy compound again in the future.
    LOL...look at the review and log section. most of the sponsored logs i see are from companies 6 years old or under!!! just sayin...


    i agree, i bet we haven't seen the last of eric.

    when there was that exodus of reps, i thought they were just doubtful of the andro series, or protesting the outrageous price!!! after all many of the now banned ph's were still available then, at a much, much lower price. also those reps were in a position of selling us on the andro series before they had even had the chance to try it themselves.
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    Re: Primordial Performance + FDA Raid!


    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    does it?
    bottom line: bet we'll never know the real deal
    [back to] who cares?
    if you are going to support AF, you will..if you are not, you won't
    wasteful, these threads imo
    Good ol' Snags dropping some completely vague but somewhat revealing???? "anecdote"?!

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  10. forget the androseries, i miss me some sustain!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    it's good discussion. I'm sure there are people on this board that know something more.

    Like the handful of reps that quit pp just before they released the andro series. some of them had been a part of pp since it started.

    though I think people forget pp was still pretty much a new company that was only around for 6 years. I'm sure we'll see eric and some new crazy compound again in the future.
    I believe he was mentioned in phf recently. Someone was going to text him about joining up with a company. Forget the details sorry

  12. who wants to call the fda and ask about it?

  13. I thought this was interesting: https://plus.google.com/104607048595058829704/about He had a new company registered by about 2 weeks after the big raid.

  14. Planning.... Hmmmmm...

  15. Hey...fda hmmmm what exactly does it means ???

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    who wants to call the fda and ask about it?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Fred Anthony View Post
    Hey...fda hmmmm what exactly does it means ???
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  17. God this forum never changes, makes me wonder why I don't post here anymore. Oh wait, this IS why.

    I voiced my opinion on this on my own message board, anyone is free to look it up if they wish.

    Let me give a basic summary:

    - This did happen, although I was a "just a rep" for the company, my involvement was significantly more than most see in their typical rep positions receiving their free $20 of sugar powder a month.

    - I spoke to many people who lost their 9-5 over this, many of which became quite good friends with me over time. I also lost a significant amount of income that I made through this role. (Lucky for me, it was expendable cash, as I had a 9-5 at the time, and now a lucrative career).

    -The link that dick tracy posted above (Yes, you can bask in the glory of me giving you this title on more than one forum) for a "new company" that eric created after the raid is not really news to anyone that was tied to the company. Eric had plans for a sister company going back years before the raid. Although the direction of that company now has to change drastically, did you really expect eric to pack up and just stop trying to make money in an industry he dedicated all of his time to? Please.

    -Eric had a lot of financing supporting this company. I know most seem ignorant to how the real world works, but do you really think that their creditors would just take their word for it? Do you really think that a company could publicly lie about the actions of a federal agency in terms of something of that magnitude, especially a company that was selling over the counter prohormones and really wouldn't want the extra attention? I think you guys are smoking those sugar powders now....

    -I had spoken to numerous other "industry" guys, one of which recommended me a lawyer with industry experience. I passed the referral on to Eric, and received confirmation both from Eric and the person who provided me the referral that Eric indeed spoke to this lawyer about the situation, down to a discussion on cost (one of which, due to industry experience, Eric could not afford). So I assume Eric went through all of this non public backend work just to support his lie?

    -There were employees present at the office at the time of the raid. One of which I spoke to in detail about the event. Did this employee support Eric's lie just to lose his very own job at the same time? What about the people in shipping/accounting/graphic design/web devs, etc.. They did this at the expense of their job to support Eric in a lie?

    -The card posted on the PP message board was in fact real. The employee who posted it was contacted directly shortly after the post with a direct request for it to be removed. The employee had to contact me immediately because I was in the middle of running a program that was mirroring the information on our message board, and he wanted to ensure that it was not going to be reposted to my own site based on the conversation he had with government employees. At the time, I also received a side warning from this employee about monitoring of emails, etc.. and how I could expect my own personal email addresses were probably subject to the same.

    -If this was a last ditch effort to raise funds, why would the products that we had the largest margins on and the easiest time selling be the ones we lie about being confiscated? Wouldn't we want the funds from these products? Why rely on selling things like toco-8 and other natural products that raised the least amount of revenue for us be what we relied on for revenue? It just doesn't make any sense. You can claim we didn't have the stock, but I know with absolute certainty that we had a very large amount of stock in andro products, and while I can't speak to sustain alpha topical's stock, I know I could say the same for Dermatherm target.

    -It seems the guys who support this sort of bull**** are the same suspects seen at any other mention of potential controversy. Different day, same ****.
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  18. ^^^ pretty much sums it up

    this thread is laughable, more time should be spent on adding muscles and not this retardedness
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Coolazice View Post
    I thought this was interesting: https://plus.google.com/104607048595058829704/about He had a new company registered by about 2 weeks after the big raid.
    hard to understand for the un ambitious but many work and have side projects, i know i do, perhaps with the raid he was forced to fast forward that side project
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  20. anyone get locked up...in my neighborhood if the feds get involved in a drug bust, bet your ass some one is doing time.
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  21. Re: Primordial Performance + FDA Raid!


    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    anyone get locked up...in my neighborhood if the feds get involved in a drug bust, bet your ass some one is doing time.
    What drug bust? They took dhea isomers? I can also only think of one industry raid that lead to arrests, and that involved MLB players using.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Different day, same ****.
    you had me at hello

  23. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    What drug bust? They took dhea isomers? I can also only think of one industry raid that lead to arrests, and that involved MLB players using.
    so much for the big raid.....good luck to you, glad to hear you are doing well!!!


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  24. I don't even need to add my 2 cents here.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by sking6464 View Post
    hard to understand for the un ambitious but many work and have side projects, i know i do, perhaps with the raid he was forced to fast forward that side project
    I just thought it was an interesting piece of information (that someone dropped in my lap) and felt it was worth sharing.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by xhrr View Post
    Welcome to 2012. We'll be in 2013 waiting for you.
    Yeah...guess some people actually have lives outside the Internet and the gym

  28. Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    I don't even need to add my 2 cents here.
    im loving these PP people back on here!

  29. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy
    God this forum never changes, makes me wonder why I don't post here anymore. Oh wait, this IS why.

    I voiced my opinion on this on my own message board, anyone is free to look it up if they wish.

    Let me give a basic summary:

    - This did happen, although I was a "just a rep" for the company, my involvement was significantly more than most see in their typical rep positions receiving their free $20 of sugar powder a month.

    - I spoke to many people who lost their 9-5 over this, many of which became quite good friends with me over time. I also lost a significant amount of income that I made through this role. (Lucky for me, it was expendable cash, as I had a 9-5 at the time, and now a lucrative career).

    -The link that dick tracy posted above (Yes, you can bask in the glory of me giving you this title on more than one forum) for a "new company" that eric created after the raid is not really news to anyone that was tied to the company. Eric had plans for a sister company going back years before the raid. Although the direction of that company now has to change drastically, did you really expect eric to pack up and just stop trying to make money in an industry he dedicated all of his time to? Please.

    -Eric had a lot of financing supporting this company. I know most seem ignorant to how the real world works, but do you really think that their creditors would just take their word for it? Do you really think that a company could publicly lie about the actions of a federal agency in terms of something of that magnitude, especially a company that was selling over the counter prohormones and really wouldn't want the extra attention? I think you guys are smoking those sugar powders now....

    -I had spoken to numerous other "industry" guys, one of which recommended me a lawyer with industry experience. I passed the referral on to Eric, and received confirmation both from Eric and the person who provided me the referral that Eric indeed spoke to this lawyer about the situation, down to a discussion on cost (one of which, due to industry experience, Eric could not afford). So I assume Eric went through all of this non public backend work just to support his lie?

    -There were employees present at the office at the time of the raid. One of which I spoke to in detail about the event. Did this employee support Eric's lie just to lose his very own job at the same time? What about the people in shipping/accounting/graphic design/web devs, etc.. They did this at the expense of their job to support Eric in a lie?

    -The card posted on the PP message board was in fact real. The employee who posted it was contacted directly shortly after the post with a direct request for it to be removed. The employee had to contact me immediately because I was in the middle of running a program that was mirroring the information on our message board, and he wanted to ensure that it was not going to be reposted to my own site based on the conversation he had with government employees. At the time, I also received a side warning from this employee about monitoring of emails, etc.. and how I could expect my own personal email addresses were probably subject to the same.

    -If this was a last ditch effort to raise funds, why would the products that we had the largest margins on and the easiest time selling be the ones we lie about being confiscated? Wouldn't we want the funds from these products? Why rely on selling things like toco-8 and other natural products that raised the least amount of revenue for us be what we relied on for revenue? It just doesn't make any sense. You can claim we didn't have the stock, but I know with absolute certainty that we had a very large amount of stock in andro products, and while I can't speak to sustain alpha topical's stock, I know I could say the same for Dermatherm target.

    -It seems the guys who support this sort of bull**** are the same suspects seen at any other mention of potential controversy. Different day, same ****.
    K, didn't read all that, no offense, I'm not looking for more hearsay, but links to official info. It has to be out there if it's as you say.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    What drug bust? They took dhea isomers? I can also only think of one industry raid that lead to arrests, and that involved MLB players using.
    It was said no one was arrested, even though they were investigating claims of illegal substances supposedly in the products.
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