- 06-27-2006, 07:19 PM
- 06-28-2006, 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by AndroAnarchy
I"m not sure what aromatiziation has to do with PCT those are two TOTALLY different issues.
- 06-28-2006, 12:19 PM
06-28-2006, 12:26 PM
mixedup, can you elaborate on this please? I'm thinking there IS a connection/relation between aromatization and post cycle therapy in that the aromatization is part of the need for PCT. Isn't it an overabundance of estrogen that can cause major problems such as gyno?Originally Posted by mixedup
Help me out mixedup, am I'm mixed up!!!
06-28-2006, 01:05 PM
Aromatiziation happens on cycle which means you have to take an AI like letrozole. After the cycle even if you were on steriods that do not aromatize you have to deal with an estrogen rebound, that's why you take a SERM or AI post cycle. You keep estrogen formation under control while you bring your natural test levels back up. Someone correct me if my thinking is flawed.
06-28-2006, 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by rocknroll
WEll PCT is in done in order to get your natural test levels back up to normal because even on a steroid that does not aromatize you can still have shutdown of natural test production. So therefore whether a steroid arromatizes on cycle or not you still want PCT. You are correct that an overabudnace of extrogen can cause major problems such as gyno etc.
06-29-2006, 01:57 AM
Just a note as a started creatine cycling. Micronized Creatine Monohydrate 25g a day for three days on then three days off.
Usually make me dehydrated...
Straight Bar: (forearm pain intense) 155 x 6, x 6, 135 x 8
Lying Extension: 155 x 8, 165 x 4, x 4, incline 135 x 8
Dumbell Curl: 65 x 7
Overhead Extension: 50 x 6
Hammer Curl: 65 x 4
Arnold Curl: 55 x 6
Dumbell Kickback: 45 x 8
Cut it short and easy...
All measurements pretty much the same
Arms: 18'' -- +1
Thighs: 27 3/4'' -- +1 1/2
Calves:18'' -- +1
Neck: 18 5/8'' -- +1 5/8 (whoa!!!)
Forearm: 14 1/4'' -- +3/4
Chest: 47 1/8'' -- +3 1/8
Shoulder Span Around: 59'' -- + 5'' (say what!!!)
Waist: 37'' -- + 1
06-29-2006, 06:46 AM
06-29-2006, 09:04 AM
Originally Posted by fritzer
Do you not use a maintenance dose?
I know from personal experience, I've had better results from just loading, and not following up with the maintenance dosages. Just wondering if you're getting at the same.
06-29-2006, 12:31 PM
Yeah the weight loss was definitly just dehydration. Its back today. Yes, this method is amazing and prevents receptor down regulation. In fact a study showed that after loading on the maintenance phase the subjects had the same creatine levels as before using creatine!!!
06-29-2006, 10:58 PM
06-30-2006, 12:02 AM
I don't think you're allowed to ask for sources for banned products ryan1. I was going to offer to PM you but I can't seem to be able to do that...just check the board sponsors.
06-30-2006, 10:29 AM
That's my fault..I forgot about that...but I have been searching the web for it and the sponsors sites. Thanks for the reply. If pheraplex isn't available...would any of you recommend haladrol?
06-30-2006, 10:54 AM
how about clones?
two of the board sponsors carry pherabol pheradrol and low prices. There is also phera-max by GL.
It's the same damn compound, just made by different companies, thus the different names.
06-30-2006, 11:37 AM
06-30-2006, 11:50 AM
so you would all recommend the pheradrol over the haladrol? i just curious...was pumped to get on the pheraplex...then got totally screwed. i still have superdrol...but was hoping to start on the pheraplex first and make a year stack.on and off of the stuff. but oh well..guess you'll have that.:bb2:
06-30-2006, 12:02 PM
06-30-2006, 01:06 PM
07-02-2006, 12:07 PM
Well i am not going to comment on the last two workout days... i could not even deadlift 135 lbs, something was seriously wrong. I sweat so much my shirt was wet and my hair wet after one set...
I just started to take Lexapro, at 10mg/day... and i think that is why...
Anyways, i am 246lbs still...
Just got BLOOD TESTS today for cholesterol, testosterone, thyroid, etc so i will post those as soon as i get them!
Unfortunatly it does not look like my Cissus/PowerFULL is ever coming, i may go get some Dymatize Xpand today or tomorrow... any feedback on this product??
07-02-2006, 01:25 PM
07-02-2006, 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by fritzer
I wouldn't be too worried about it. I had a really bad experience with the Cissus/powerFULL stack. It made me really tired all day. Not even kidding, I'd get home from class at 1, eat lunch, sleep til 5, eat dinner, do some homework, and go back to sleep.
07-03-2006, 03:09 PM
BLOOD RESULTS are in, but i am waiting until tomorrow for tetosterone/thyroid counts which i will post up...
Also, i wont have the sheet until tomorrow but doctor says everything so far is normal.
What i know so far:
Endocrine Cholesterol: 4.0 (range is 3.2-4.6)
Really happy about the cholesterol being good!
07-04-2006, 06:45 AM
Yeah, PowerFULL will make you feel pretty tired, waking up is like getting out of a coma some days! Thankfully other than that the stuff is great.Originally Posted by thesinner
07-04-2006, 09:12 AM
07-04-2006, 03:17 PM
Seriously, I had to stop taking it because I couldn't keep up with my day-to-day activities.Originally Posted by Ziricote
07-04-2006, 06:07 PM
Glad i read this from you guys I was thinking of powerful for pct but now will have to rethinkOriginally Posted by thesinner
07-04-2006, 07:09 PM
Started Dymatize Xpand today, had a good workout. Better than last week which i didn't even post! I don't know what happened... by the end of the week i couldn't deadlift 135lbs
Chest and Calves
Flat Bench: 265 x 6, x 7, 275 x 5, x 5
Incline Bench: 225 x 3, x 4
Indline DB: 95 x 4
Dips: Self x 12, 15 x 10, 30 x 8
Seated Calves: 45+25 a side x 12, x 12, x 12, 45+10 x 12
Standing: 3plates a side x 6, x 6
45 degree: 4 plates a side x 20
I feel good, i don't have the numbers yet but my testosterone and thyroid were both normal. So all in all what a great cycle!! No side effects, no ill bodily effects, great gains, amazing PCT, kept all of my weight and strength, no acne, and again i feel great.
Oh, lat week i think it was the Lexapro that made me sick, this week i cut dosage in half. It is not for depression but for other stuff.
07-04-2006, 07:11 PM
07-05-2006, 04:33 PM
A little ehydrated as i got up three hours late today. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA. Probably be 246lbs tomorrow again.
Xpand seems to be working good, had a good workout but man am i sweating, like a shower i get so wet...
Straight Bar Curl: 155 x 6, x 5, 135 x 6
Hammer Curl: 65 x 6, 70 x 5
Arnold Curl: 50 x 8
Lying Extension: 155x 6, x 5, 165 x 4
Pulldown: 210 x 10, x 8
Overhead Press DB: 50 x 6
07-06-2006, 05:05 PM
Taking Xpand 1 serving pre-workout and 1 serving during workout
Squats: 405 x 6, x 5, 415 x 4
Lunge: 180 x 4
Leg Curl: 225 x 8, x 8
Reverse Curl: All x 10, x 10
07-07-2006, 05:57 AM
07-07-2006, 02:33 PM
No Retain. Too much $$ when everything starts adding up. I did Clomid/Nolva/Fenugreek/DHEA/Rebound XT and it worked very well and test was back to normal in two weeks, and blood results show it, oh and just a note that is after i stopped the fenugreek and DHEA that i got blood tests
07-12-2006, 10:04 PM
07-13-2006, 04:43 PM
got screwed royally trying to obtain phera. went to one site that is a sponsor on here..i placed my order..payed over $100 for 3 bottles...only to be informed a week and a half later that they weren't selling it anymore. i know it is discontinued..but don't put it on site and expect people not to try to purchase it..i mean come on! just ticks me off
07-13-2006, 04:46 PM
You can aquire clones of phera now, although as far as I know none are 100% exact copies.Originally Posted by Ryan1
07-13-2006, 05:25 PM
I just bought some Pmax Ultra , I always thought it was a 100% Clone of phera plex.... meh I was just going to be using it as a cutter.Originally Posted by Ziricote
07-18-2006, 03:40 AM
08-03-2006, 01:04 AM
How "wet" are the gains that anyone has experienced with PP. Can running an AI (6-oxo or SNS inhibit-E) decrease chances of wet gains?
08-03-2006, 01:41 AM
Since Phera-plex does not turn into estrogen, the AI can only work on your Natural estrogen. It will make it appear like your are less bloated. All Methyls seem to have a little methyl bloat to them.Originally Posted by HondaR95
I don't consider Phera-plex to be a "wet" cycle, but some people seem to complain.
Superdrol is actualy estrogen suppressive so it seems dryer. Adding a low dose of AI to Phera-plex would do the same thing, but You will be giving up some gains and being harder on your joints.
Running a little Superdrol with Phera-plex like Fritzer did will dry it up too and get better gains
08-03-2006, 01:31 PM
i plan on running a pheraplex cycle in the winter at a low dosage.. i'd rather sacrifce gains than put my health in risk.. i probly plan on about 12 mg of PP with some sesmin and some cla.. i'll keep an AI on hand incase i start to see some sides.
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