- 06-24-2006, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by poppydogg
it is different for everybody what week things kick and what is the best week. Everybody is very different for instance I have been doing this for years and everybody says how s-drol is fast acting good gains right away etc. s-drol for me doesn't even start to kick until around day 10
- 06-24-2006, 12:24 PM
On my first cycle of superdrol the gains started happening by day 8. I am currently cycling it again and I am on day 13 and the gains have been slower.
- 06-24-2006, 01:29 PM
06-24-2006, 02:33 PM
We are SO on the same page/timeline and have same questions... I'm on day 13 of standalone PP. FWIW, I read that PCT should take about the same length as your "on" cycle. And then wait at least 6 weeks before beginning to pre-load support supps for another cycle. you want your test to come back up and get everything going again but of course don't want to just turn around and shut it down too quickly. Personally, I will wait until Thanksgiving or Christmas to do another cycle (will be another pp standalone.)Originally Posted by poppydogg
But I'm no expert FOR SURE...I will be interested to see what others have to say about how long to wait. (I suppose we should be searching the PCT forums too... )
06-24-2006, 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by rocknroll
Cycle Length + PCT Length = Wait time minimum
i.e. 4 week cycle + 4 week PCT = 8 weeks minimum before starting another cycle after completion of previous cycle PCT.
that's the rule of thumb I've always heard.
06-24-2006, 03:47 PM
06-24-2006, 05:38 PM
Weight loss was entirely my fault. Another night to forget!! Haha, i am having bad luck lately. Oh well, the cops wouldn't let up on how i am on the juice!!
06-24-2006, 05:54 PM
i am going to begin a phera-plex cycle this week and was wondering what i should supplement in with it? i'll take perfect cycle, but not sure what else. Should I be taking milk thistle/saw palmeto? What else is good with this? Thanks!!:bb2:
06-24-2006, 06:10 PM
is gaspari's novadex good enough for post-cycle as well as on-cycle with phera? Don't have the money to use nolvadex.:bb2: :squat:
06-24-2006, 06:26 PM
06-24-2006, 08:27 PM
06-24-2006, 08:48 PM
06-24-2006, 11:12 PM
I think you are right in Nolva being cheaper than Gaspari's Nova.Originally Posted by Ryan1
I'm running my first pp cycle so I'm no expert but based on what I have read/learned from the great peole here at AM, I would say that you always want to use Nolvadex/Tamoxifen Citrate (or some SERM) and if you are trying to get around it with pp, then the Nolva/SERM should still be something you have on hand in case of signs of gyno. For me, it was the first thing I got, then I began getting other goods for the cycle i.e. the fun stuff.
I don't know anything about using Gaspari's nova while on cycle of for PCT.
Regarding PCT, I believe, along with a SERM, most are going with some other products such as Rebound XT or Rebound Reloaded (to bring test back up and deal with estrogen), Retain or Lean Xtreme (anti-cortisols), ActivaTe, AND/OR COMBOs of some of these and some other stuff such as fenugreek, trib, maca, and the usual support supps. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do for PCT. Definitely Nolva, Retain, Fenu and DHEA. Can't decide if I should add other stuff like Rebound and/or ActivaTe. Seems like overkill. I know what you mean about getting expensive but I also don't want to be too cheap in getting my test back up...FWIW.
06-24-2006, 11:17 PM
Nolva 10/20/20/30? that sound right or is it in reverse? I'm not well experienced as it is prescript and i am not very into that. Althought i would be if not for prior contracts. i.e. the service.
06-24-2006, 11:21 PM
Yeah I think it's in reverse of that. I'm planning on running Nolva 40/30/20.Originally Posted by gotripped
06-24-2006, 11:58 PM
hey rocknroll what are you gonna take for your pct?
i wanna get some ideAs beforehand. Are u gonna do 4 weeks or just 3? Sheesh this thing has been flying by as i will be starting ny 3rd week this coming tuesday (6/27). So far its been great with no sides. Im gonna do my 3rd week at 20mgs then ill decide whether to do a 4th or just goto pct. Thanks!:good:
06-25-2006, 01:02 AM
06-25-2006, 03:29 PM
Right now I have Nolva, Retain, Fenugreek, DHEA. Debating Rebound but was advised it would be overkill. Also debating ActivaTe. Really torn about this. I just one day ahead of you (start 3rd week Monday) and will probably stop at 3 weeks...We'll see. If I go 4 weeks, I will PCT 4 weeks. If I go 3 "on", then 3 for PCT. Haven't been able to search the PCT forums much the last day or two. Will hit the search hard tonight and tomorrow. What are you thinking for PCT?Originally Posted by poppydogg
06-25-2006, 06:45 PM
if i would decide to take nolva instead...how easy is it to get..and what are the sides associated with it?:bb2:
06-25-2006, 10:27 PM
06-25-2006, 11:03 PM
from those that have taken phera...do you recommend a post cycle even though you say it doesn't aromatize? you all have been a huge help!!:bb:
06-25-2006, 11:22 PM
Absolutely recommend a post cycle therapy. The main purpose of PCT is get your testosterone output back up where it belongs. Phera-plex when taken at reasonable doses is not very supressive of testosterone output, but you still need PCT. Just don't super suppress your estrogen level and then let it bounce back overshooting normal levels and then suppressing testosterone at the end of PCT (estrogen rebound). Either tamper off estrogen suppresors slowly or end with ATD (or both).Originally Posted by Ryan1
You scare me by your question.
06-25-2006, 11:52 PM
That part about tapering off suppressors slowly or ending with ATD confused me a bit (easy to do...my bad) Isn't ATD a suppressor? Can you elaborate on "Either tamper off estrogen suppresors slowly or end with ATD (or both)."
Here's what I'm thinking...So as it relates to a PP standalone cycle, an AI, like Rebound (XT or Reloaded...), would obliterate estrogen thereby creating an increased potential for estrogen rebound.
Any thoughts about using Nolva, Retain, Fenu, and DHEA for PCT after a PP standalone?
06-26-2006, 01:18 AM
i was not sure on what to use right yet. I heard retain is good. I dont wanna get anything that needs script so im trying to keep it simple. What else u think? Thanks!
06-26-2006, 08:20 AM
06-26-2006, 09:06 AM
Definitely.Originally Posted by rocknroll
After you stop any anabolic cycle, you will always have to deal with 3 things:
1)Increased Cortisol Levels
2)Increased Estrogen Levels
3)Decreased Testosterone Levels
Fenugreek, containing 4-hydroxyisoleucine and saponins, will speed up restoration of HTPA function. You can opt not to do this, but when you don't have a boner in over a week, you'll quickly succumb.
DHEA, 7-oxo-DHEA, B-Androstientriol or 7-Hydroxy-DHEA have shown significant reductions in cortisol levels. Retain is also a cortisol reducer, but I'm not as familiar with it's components. Using DHEA (or a metabolite) transdermally is pretty cheap and, in my opinion, your best bet for the money.
06-26-2006, 09:10 AM
Yes, seems Retain and Lean Xtreme are similar. I have a bottle of Retain but wanted to try the Lean Xtreme...No biggie. I will be going with Nolva (I REALLY THINK YOU/ANYONE SHOULD GET THIS!!!), Retain, Fenu, DHEA, maybe some trib and/or maca.Originally Posted by poppydogg
I will NOT be using Rebound (or an AI or ATD) with the PP. Unless I hear otherwise that is what I will be doing.
Below in red is the name of a thread I started in which I asked alot of questions about PCT for a PP standalone. I received some good assistance and advice. Check it out by searching for it. Sorry, I don't know how to get the link to show up in this post...
Critique Phera Plex cycle plan for Noob
I'm wondering if we should take this discussion to the PCT forum. Seems it's taking a turn from PP...FWIW.
06-26-2006, 09:49 AM
06-26-2006, 09:49 AM
06-26-2006, 10:05 AM
Rebound Reloaded in replacement of nolva.../Lean Xtreme/Activate Maca/Fenugreek and Milk Thistle for liver.Originally Posted by Ryan1
06-26-2006, 12:01 PM
06-26-2006, 12:02 PM
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06-26-2006, 12:04 PM
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06-26-2006, 12:09 PM
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06-26-2006, 12:16 PM
Thanks bro...as far as that goes...now another question that you all are probably sick of hearing from me..is what should i take in conjunction to the pheraplex..for example...i'll be taking fish oils, flax oil, calcium tab,animal pak, liver tab...what else? :bb:
06-26-2006, 12:20 PM
edit - took out nolva as we have talked about that. i have no probs with gyno never have. but some are. milk thistle yadda and ... fish/flax good. hawthorne berry if you experience headaches or high blood pressure. policosonol is good for post cycle therapy. Fenugreek and MACA w. RR afterwards for PCT.Originally Posted by Ryan1
sorry if i've repeated myself.
DHEA or retain or something for cortisol control. I know how phera bloooooats the first week then sorta fades out but for draining of all bloat lean xtreem and RR.
06-26-2006, 12:46 PM
All that stuff that gotripped said...Originally Posted by Ryan1
You might want to look into "Cycle Support." Check into this great product. There is a write up for it. Takes care of almost everything.
But if you are buying supports separately, I would add Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA), Red Yeast Rice (RYR), and some COQ10 (should go with the RYR as RYR depletes COQ10 in body...bad).
06-26-2006, 11:11 PM
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