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[carnivalhobo]

darth,

Joints feeling a little sore and dry is a normal side. I believe a few other The One users reported it as well. If you aren't already I would suggest increasing fish oil consumption, and cissus is always a winner in my book.

[rochabp]

awesome
im def in!

im looking to run some d-plex which is a clone of this, so im very interested

[darthdarek84]

darth,

Joints feeling a little sore and dry is a normal side. I believe a few other The One users reported it as well. If you aren't already I would suggest increasing fish oil consumption, and cissus is always a winner in my book.

Thx for the post. Ys I uped the fish oil and seems to be helping. I may switch to krill since the absorption suppoose to be superior.

[darthdarek84]

Fri- Chest and back. Day went as:
1.) Usual morning.
2.) Mid noon and another great workout. Pumps, strength, stamina and recovery are of the charts.
3.) Usual evening.

[Mikey851]

Thur- Day off. Went something like this:
1.) Usual morning, noon and evening.
I do want to note that I'm starting to rethink my joint pain post. I'v come to conclusion that it is most likly due to increased cortisol levels throughout my body. Indirectly, the ph run is probably causing it, because it's my 1st time. It makes sense why my pain is hardly noticeable but always there. Not to mention, it feels more like inflammation, not an actual pain.
Any previous users have any thoughts on that? Because if I'm correct, cissus is exactly what i need.

Actually The One has effects which are closely related to DHT. DHT inhibits estrogen in the body and lower estrogen leads to less water retention and therefore less joint protection.

I ran The One as well and had this exact side effect. It is also the reason that The One causes increased vascularity and provides a hardened look to your muscles. I experienced really good strength increases and agression in the gym as well.

[wearedbleedblue]

Are you going to put up pictures?

[darthdarek84]

Actually The One has effects which are closely related to DHT. DHT inhibits estrogen in the body and lower estrogen leads to less water retention and therefore less joint protection.

I ran The One as well and had this exact side effect. It is also the reason that The One causes increased vascularity and provides a hardened look to your muscles. I experienced really good strength increases and agression in the gym as well.

Yes. The One is actually a DHT derivative, so what you said makes sense completely. Though, not sure how much your estogen levels have to do with joint lube, other than water retention, but I can see a small connection.
Now what did you use for your pct?

[darthdarek84]

Are you going to put up pictures?

No, just because I dont have time to be doing so. I might take final measurements at the end of the cycle. Hopefully this will satisfy pps curiosity.

[darthdarek84]

Correction to this post:
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Originally Posted by darthdarek84
Actually The One has effects which are closely related to DHT. DHT inhibits estrogen in the body and lower estrogen leads to less water retention and therefore less joint protection.

I ran The One as well and had this exact side effect. It is also the reason that The One causes increased vascularity and provides a hardened look to your muscles. I experienced really good strength increases and agression in the gym as well.

Originally Posted by Mikey851
Actually The One has effects which are closely related to DHT. DHT inhibits estrogen in the body and lower estrogen leads to less water retention and therefore less joint protection.

I ran The One as well and had this exact side effect. It is also the reason that The One causes increased vascularity and provides a hardened look to your muscles. I experienced really good strength increases and agression in the gym as well.

Yes. The One is actually a DHT derivative, so what you said makes sense completely. Though, not sure how much your estogen levels have to do with joint lube, other than water retention, but I can see a small connection.
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Now that I think about it, estrogen itself has anti-inflammatory properties, so the Ones lowering effects are responsible for my joint pain. It makes perfect sense. Also, now I'll hold off cissus, until pct. Although, my cortisol is probably up a bit, due to ph's strain on my insides, but I'll manage.
Thx for the info Mikey851.

[wearedbleedblue]

Good luck with your log but I think "not having time" is a poor excuse. It takes 5 minutes to snap pictures and another 5 to post them.

[Mikey851]

Honestly man, your cortisol levels are probably lower right now as well because Testosterone and DHT and all derivitives inhibit cortisol. This is why many people think it's necessary to take an anti cortisol supplement such as Supress C a few weeks after cessation of the PH because you will probably experience a Cortisol spike as your natural androgen levels are recovering.

In case youre wondering, alot of my information comes from being on TRT off and on for almost 8 years. The other information comes from this board and other's experiences.

[darthdarek84]

Good luck with your log but I think "not having time" is a poor excuse. It takes 5 minutes to snap pictures and another 5 to post them.

Yea I guess, but I've never been a pic kinda guy. Just seems a little weird to me, having guys checking my body and stuuf. Not that I'm homophobic or anything, just think words are enough.
Thx for folowing though. I hope my experience on this ph helps others.

[darthdarek84]

Honestly man, your cortisol levels are probably lower right now as well because Testosterone and DHT and all derivitives inhibit cortisol. This is why many people think it's necessary to take an anti cortisol supplement such as Supress C a few weeks after cessation of the PH because you will probably experience a Cortisol spike as your natural androgen levels are recovering.

In case youre wondering, alot of my information comes from being on TRT off and on for almost 8 years. The other information comes from this board and other's experiences.

Ys you're right again. I'm 1 of those who think that Cortisol blocker is needed as part of pct. However I still will make a case that my Cortisol is a bit higher than it would've been, had i done a ph b4, but still lower than normally. It's kinda like when you sleep 6hrs on average for a week. At first your body is tired and etc, but then you start getting used to it, due to your body's spike of Cortisol. This allows your body to adapt to a drastic change. I'm not saying there are no other factors involved, but this is just 1 of them.
As far as your info, I'm not wondering where your getting it from. Everything seems to make sense, so I just appreciate the help. I don't think anybody has to be an expert, as long as their info is solid or tested i.e. previous experience.

[darthdarek84]

Sat- Legs and abs. Day went as:
1.) Usual morning.
2.) Mid noon and the workout went great. It seems the aggression in the gym is just helping to drive my workouts to the extreme.
3.) Usual evening.

[darthdarek84]

Sun- day off.
1.) Usual day, so nothing to report.

[TexasLifter89]

any weight increases to note?

[darthdarek84]

any weight increases to note?

Ys, sry I did check it on Sunday. I gained extra 3 lbs, so total 12 lbs in 3 weeks since being on it.

[darthdarek84]

Mon- Bis and tris. Day went as:
1.) Usual morning.
2.) Mid noon and workout was insane. However, the joint pain was nearly unbearable. Every workout I've been increasing the weight on compound movements by 5-10 lbs each. Isolations were going up by 5 lbs each workout. Today though, the weight didn't see to be hard, just the joints were giving out. I may have to stay with these weights, until the end of cycle or maybe use krill and fish oil together. I'd rather go the second route, because my strength definetely is still going up.
3.) Usual evening.

[ConcreteConny]

Ys, sry I did check it on Sunday. I gained extra 3 lbs, so total 12 lbs in 3 weeks since being on it.

Nice!! Great results so far

//CC

[Insaniac]

Good log g.....i say u take at least 3 caps of cissus to get you through your workouts though and then go heavy on cissus for your post cylcle, remember to listen your body. If it hurts its because your body is trying to tell you something, either way good luck.

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