Best athlete in the world!
- 01-28-2006, 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by jarhead
- 01-28-2006, 12:19 AM
Read your above post and then this one. Both are by you. You did indeed say lance wasn't an athlete. BTW- I also don't think golfers are athletes- anything I can do drunk, I don't consider a sport(golf, darts, bowl, pool, etc.) At least we agree on that I guess.
Originally Posted by Alexander
01-28-2006, 12:21 AM
I guess you did'nt understand what I was saying either. It was obviously a joke, one in which he was implying that I said you'd have to be able to hit around with Federer in order to be the best athlete, which I never said or implied. Trying to make me look stupid(leaving myself wide open with that). Just calling him on some BS.Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
01-28-2006, 12:31 AM
I did'nt say he was'nt an athlete, I said he was'nt REALLY an athlete. I know, its getting bad. I did contradict myself a bit their. I do think he is an athlete, but not that much of one. To me endurance sports are not very athletic for the most part. I've been saying basically the same thing throughout the thread, that he is an athlete, but not a top athlete. I do feel that I am bad at debating, and get way too aggressive, which rightfully leads to people getting pissed at me. I have a "I know I'm right" vibe about me that I will have to work on. Peace.Originally Posted by jarhead
01-28-2006, 04:24 AM
01-28-2006, 06:03 AM
IMHO comparing athletes from one sport to athletes of another sport is like comparing apples to oranges. Different sports require different skills. If it's athleticism we're talking about than I'd have to say Julius Peppers would **** all over Roger Federer, if talking about which athlete is more dominant than I'd say Federer has the advantage. I also would never compare athletes from team sports with athletes from individual sports, there's just so many differences between the 2, I noticed this from football vs. shot put.
Best individual competitor = Lance Armstrong
Best team sport competitor = Tom Brady
01-28-2006, 08:41 AM
To whoever hit me with neg reps for the golf comment- let me just say I was joking, not meaning to offend. Sarcasm is hard to convey in typing. Man I guess sports is a serious topic!
01-28-2006, 11:23 AM
I guess if your going strictly by definition it might be Adam Archuleta. That guy boasts like 4.3 40, 550 bench, all at 210lbs, but he does'nt perform even close to what his stats would lead you to believe.
01-28-2006, 11:30 AM
Lance is a super athelete. He is the one of the fiercest warriors amongst us.
(Alex- I am so keeping myself from neg repping and telling you to eat doo-doo)
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01-28-2006, 01:07 PM
01-28-2006, 01:43 PM
Neg rep me and tell me to eat doo-doo all you want. Just have a good reason for it. Lance is a fierce warrior, just not an extremely athletic one. If the thread were who's the greatest sportsman or something then maybe he should win. He can't jump high, run fast, lift explosively, etc compared to the top athletes out their. To add to that I don't see how he's very skilled either. I hold firm to my belief that most people that think Lance is the best athlete, are not good athletes themselves. Personally, I am fast, strong, skilled, have excellent balance, and its a slap in the face to say someone that is riding a bike, that does'nt take much of any of those is the best athlete in the world. Now jump off the bandwagon and take my points away joker. Its really unbelievable to me that not a single sole has sided with me on this, I guess thats what I get for posting on a bodybuilding site. Please answer this: Do you think bodybuilding or marathon running is extremely athletic?Originally Posted by motiv8er
01-28-2006, 02:53 PM
"Personally, I am fast, strong, skilled, have excellent balance, and its a slap in the face to say someone that is riding a bike, that does'nt take much of any of those is the best athlete in the world. "
I think you are 100% wrong. Lance is great for all those reasons you just listed. You are so wrong. Fast-- speeds of whop knows 50-60 mph. Try falling out of your car at that speed. (please, try it) Strong, ever try to ride a bike up mountain? Balance, ever seen them bitches take wet, fast corners? Appearently not. Skilled. Not going to even respond.
I don't know what traditional answer you are looking for, ie: Barry Sanders, Micheal Jordan, whatever. It is a combination of factors that makes them great. I am glad you are "Personally, I am fast, strong, skilled, have excellent balance, and its a slap in the face to say someone that is riding a bike, that does'nt take much of any of those is the best athlete in the world. "
But you are just looking to stir stuff up on the internet; or are really not bright.
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01-28-2006, 03:34 PM
You can argue all day about who the greatest athletes are, but when you guys start ripping other sports is when you cross the line. All sports at those levels take skill and commitment beyond what most of us will ever understand. So just because you don't like or follow a certain sport does not mean you should disrespect it.
And I'm sorry Crowler, but to say that bodybuilding is 200% harder than triathlons and sports like those is a joke. Yeah, you train hard and diet strict in bodybuilding, but those endurance sports push the boundries of human capacity for pain.
01-28-2006, 04:52 PM
01-28-2006, 05:27 PM
I may be stubborn, but not bright, nah. You think cause he can ride a bike 50mph that makes him fast, negro please. Speed is measured in a 40 or 100 yard dash, not going down a hill on a ten speed. You think Lance could run a 40 fast, extremely doubtful. Yeah I've ridden up many steep hills, sure it takes a little strength, but mainly endurance. Cyclists weigh 140 pounds, you really think they have any type of strength? Balance you're right about. It takes a decent amount of balance to take those corners, but IMO a lot of other sports take far more balance. For skill, you did'nt say anything. I mean I understand it takes some type of skill to ride, but seriously not much. Do you really think it takes as much skill to ride a bike as it does to return a 140mph serve with crazy spin on it. I just don't see how. I'm not trying to stir up ****, just trying to speak the truth. Cycling is a sport people with less skill take up. They don't have the skill for B-ball, Football, Tennis, Soccer so they ride a bike cause almost anyone can do that decently. And for AFOX what do you mean when you start ripping other sports is when you cross the line? So every sport is considered to be equal, thats just loser talk. Of course some sports are easier then others, some take more of this, some take more of that. I understand damn well that cycling is very difficult and takes a lot of heart, just not a ton of athleticism. Do you think a marathon runner has similar athleticism to a basketball player? What I'm saying is really not ridiculous at all, its just not the mainstream thought I guess.Originally Posted by motiv8er
01-28-2006, 05:29 PM
01-28-2006, 06:10 PM
He's an olympic weightlifter from Greece, 4 time olympic medalist, 3 gold 1 bronze in the 85kg class.
01-28-2006, 06:50 PM
What I mean is that all sports that require skill and athletic ability should be respected, not ripped on by people who know nothing about the sport.
01-28-2006, 07:41 PM
I think the disagreements on this thread are because some of you are arguing the question "who's the most dominant" and others are arguing the question of "who has the most overall athletic ability".
I would submit Armstrong as a contender for the first question, but not the second. I would nominate someone within the NFL or boxing or MMA for the second, but I'm not sure who specifically. Overall athleticism, seperate of sport specific skills, it's probably someone in the NFL.
Maybe it's the guy who wins the Olympic Decathalon every four years, they are point scored in ten events against the world record in each event.
As badass and unstoppable as Fedor is now, IMO, Karelin fifteen years ago with MMA training and experience would have been head and shoulders in ability above Fedor today, but that's certainly arguable, he was from a different era in a related and different sport.
01-28-2006, 08:03 PM
You're exactly right. I know Lance is dominant and a badass, just not that athletic. Yeah Karelin was a freak of nature, I can't believe he lost to Rulon. I can't imagine him having as good stand-up as Fedor, but it probably would'nt matter. He'd be able to get Fedor down and control him. Like you said, we will never know. I'd love to see Rulon come back to Pride, and have Fedor redeem his countryman. Thank you for your post.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-28-2006, 08:27 PM
I saw Karelin in NY's LaGaurdia airport in 1989. He was walking down the concourse and the thing that I most noticed was how lithe his walk was, guy moved like a middleweight at around 270. I'm not often impressed by people's physicality, this guy did.
I suspect Karelin could have developed an excellent standup ability. My impression from watching him there and his matches, and seeing a video of him in his twenties standing and touching a 8 foot? chandelier above his head with his foot,leg just straight up like a dancer, damn. Guy had amazing flexibility for so large a man and Greco-Roman, unlike Freestyle, does'nt even use the lower body directly in the matches. I also suspect that a guy like that would'nt have to hit you very often, he could probably generate a Cro Cop and a half of knockout power in his strikes.
Rulan Gardener won his match with Karelin, but he did'nt beat him, Karelin DQ'd himself. To my mind, never beaten.
01-29-2006, 12:15 AM
No need to be sorry Fox. Because you sound so sure of yourself and call it a joke, I take it you speak from experience. So what sort of triathlons have you completed Sprint, Olympic, 1/2, full ??? Or is it competitive bike racing you have done so you can compare the two??? What sort of bike racing track, road, crit???Originally Posted by AFOX
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01-29-2006, 12:09 PM
01-29-2006, 12:14 PM
Just admit he lost. He would beat Rulon 999 times out of 1000, but he did lose. Anyways you're probably right about him being able to develop good stand-up, guy had so many talents. I read that he was an amazing Volleyball and Tennis player, thats hard to do at 270 pounds. I need to get some footage of him. I've only seen short clips of him, which were very impressive.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-29-2006, 10:22 PM
What amazed me about Karelin was the respect and fear his opponents displayed when competing against him. I remember watching him on tv compete in the Olympics years ago at the pinnacle of his career. Many of his opponents simply gave up so they wouldn't be subjected to a reverse body lift. Former Detroit Lions linebacker Chris Spillman use to have a shrine dedicated to Karelin.
01-30-2006, 10:26 AM
01-30-2006, 07:00 PM
I dont know if Alexander the Great was the greatest athlete of all time, but I've played against and with Top Offensive linemen and Defensive Tackles that were 290 pounds, and very few glide on the balls of their feet as they walk and look like featured extras off the movie Underworld Evolution . Guy definetly got my attention and respect when I saw him.Originally Posted by az2u
Here's a clip of him doing the reverse body lift on 286 pound Matt Ghaffari at the 96 Atlanta Olympics.
How much strength does that akward positioning require? One badass Mfer. I would assume Marius Pud could do that too, but does he have cardio to go the rounds?
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