Getting bigger and leaner with Alpha, 550, and Epi-V.

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  1. Lol. If I had known I would've said something too... Especially your size bro, your not about to become Eric Cartman anytime soon. You shouldn't worry about that till your hitting 180+. Eat like there's no tomorrow bro. Nothing less than 3000 a day. Hit 4000 and you'll really start growing. You're not about to get fat anytime soon, period. Just went through this with my brother. He started at like ~145. He wasnt tracking his diet and wasn't growing. I slapped him upside the head and told him if he wasn't going to take this shyt seriously then I would no longer help him or hook him up with supps. Low and behold, he starts eating and tracking... 2 months later he's up to 165-170 off 550-xd! Now that's what I'm talking about
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  2. I understand PF and its not about getting "fat" it's about gaining and BF% the point behind this was to gain purely lean muscle. Hence the reason my cals are where they are. I do understand eat eat eat, that is what I did one my short 1 andro cycle and that's probably why I gained 20lbs, my strength is going up and the BF is dropping as of right now which is what to point was suppose to be. The next cycle will be more along the lines of eat eat eat. Hopefully that makes since.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216136-finaflex-1-andro.htmlCurrent log belowhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/redefine-nutrition/226014-getting-bigger-leaner.html#post3893348
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by PREracing25 View Post
    I understand PF and its not about getting "fat" it's about gaining and BF% the point behind this was to gain purely lean muscle. Hence the reason my cals are where they are. I do understand eat eat eat, that is what I did one my short 1 andro cycle and that's probably why I gained 20lbs, my strength is going up and the BF is dropping as of right now which is what to point was suppose to be. The next cycle will be more along the lines of eat eat eat. Hopefully that makes since.
    Makes sense bro. What's was your BF to start?
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  4. Not sure. Just going mirror wise. Whatever anyone could guess. All I have is the starting pictures at the beginning of the log.
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  5. The side profile is deceiving, makes your abdomen look larger than it is. That said based on your weight, height, and photos I'd put you somewhere around 12-14. I still recommend upping cals to the 3000+ range. Its a full time job eating like that but it will pay off. Especially where youre at now, youre primed for gains. I was 135 at 18. Hit it hard for 4 years all natty and made it up to 175 before I played with anabolics. I can still make pretty good natty gains on a bulking diet and hit about 200-205 but that is serious full time work. If youre worried about gaining BF do some LISS or HIIT 3 times a week or more. 1-alpha is for bulking bro so Id use it for that, not that it wont work the way you want it to. I just think you should concentrate on growing now, then switch to recomp then cut, while on 550xd and EpiV respectively
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    I just think you should concentrate on growing now, then switch to recomp then cut, while on 550xd and EpiV respectively
    quoted to hammer the point home

  7. You guys make solid points that I will definitely implement in the future.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216136-finaflex-1-andro.htmlCurrent log belowhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/redefine-nutrition/226014-getting-bigger-leaner.html#post3893348

  8. Theres always next time, if there is a next time. Ah shyt Im getting all philosophical up in hur.....
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  9. Oh there will be a next time. Winter cycle lol
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    if there is a next time. Ah shyt Im getting all philosophical up in hur.....
    Quote Originally Posted by PREracing25 View Post
    Oh there will be a next time.
    the only thing certain in this life, is death
    (you can avoid taxes if you don't mind going to jail)

    had to join the philosophical circle jerk

  11. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post

    the only thing certain in this life, is death
    (you can avoid taxes if you don't mind going to jail)

    had to join the philosophical circle jerk
    As Descartes once said: ....

    Just kidding I don't remember what Descartes said LOL
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  12. You guys make me laugh.
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  13. Man what all ^^^ these guys said. You want to gain right? Eat! Dont e afraid of putting on a little bit of fat, once you bridge across to epi-v that will get sorted pretty quick. I would use the 1 andro to bulk my ass off then use the epi-v to lean out at the end! Just my .02c man nothing philosophical from me it's far too early over here for that lol

  14. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    The side profile is deceiving, makes your abdomen look larger than it is. That said based on your weight, height, and photos I'd put you somewhere around 12-14. I still recommend upping cals to the 3000+ range. Its a full time job eating like that but it will pay off. Especially where youre at now, youre primed for gains. I was 135 at 18. Hit it hard for 4 years all natty and made it up to 175 before I played with anabolics. I can still make pretty good natty gains on a bulking diet and hit about 200-205 but that is serious full time work. If youre worried about gaining BF do some LISS or HIIT 3 times a week or more. 1-alpha is for bulking bro so Id use it for that, not that it wont work the way you want it to. I just think you should concentrate on growing now, then switch to recomp then cut, while on 550xd and EpiV respectively
    good advice Im around 205 now and my cals are like 3.1+ k I still manage to be pretty lean

    that being said grow man, you are using dem receptors why not get the most bang for your buck

  15. Il make changes from here on out. Thank you guys.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216136-finaflex-1-andro.htmlCurrent log belowhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/redefine-nutrition/226014-getting-bigger-leaner.html#post3893348

  16. If you keep your calories clean and step them up within reason, there should be no worries about getting "fat". That being said dont bump your cals straight to the top. Slow and steady wins the race.
    E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns

  17. Yeah well the plan is to bring carbs up and in turn the cals will go up but I'm keeping fats low.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216136-finaflex-1-andro.htmlCurrent log belowhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/redefine-nutrition/226014-getting-bigger-leaner.html#post3893348

  18. Quote Originally Posted by PREracing25 View Post
    Yeah well the plan is to bring carbs up and in turn the cals will go up but I'm keeping fats low.
    Ive never been a fan of keeping fats "low" but thats just me. You know your body better than anyone so do it up broseph!
    E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns

  19. ^^ fats are pretty crucial, in a growth phase..cutting too for that matter
    a typical good lean growth phase is running a 40/40/20 macro split..
    now there are a lot of variations and ways you can go here, including having either more carbs or more fat - or both, depending on your individual metabolism
    my guess for best for you current would be 40/30/30 c/p/f, check it out

  20. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    ^^ fats are pretty crucial, in a growth phase..cutting too for that matter
    a typical good lean growth phase is running a 40/40/20 macro split..
    now there are a lot of variations and ways you can go here, including having either more carbs or more fat - or both, depending on your individual metabolism
    my guess for best for you current would be 40/30/30 c/p/f, check it out
    I'm in a 40/30/30 right now. Loving me some carbs. Nom nom...
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  21. Eating is a full-time gig with gettin bigger and staying that way, so you might as well get comfy with it. You wanna be the beast you gotta eat like one - lots of protein from other animals, many times a day.

    Doing good work in here.
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  22. Thanks Hyde, today is going to be legs. I think I'm going to see where I'm at on squats, first step break 225 which will be my third set, fourth set if I hit 225 will be either 235 or 245 depending on how 225 goes.
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  23. On a true max effort a lot of ppl's chest will come too far fwd out of the hole, heavily loading the lower back. This could be bad for you, to say the least. Be careful and get a spotter(s) if you intend to push to failure on max effort.

    Could consider triples up to a 3RM if you get uncomfy with that idea? Good luck!
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    CONTROLLED LABS products are produced in a GMP for Sport certified facility.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    On a true max effort a lot of ppl's chest will come too far fwd out of the hole, heavily loading the lower back. This could be bad for you, to say the least. Be careful and get a spotter(s) if you intend to push to failure on max effort.

    Could consider triples up to a 3RM if you get uncomfy with that idea? Good luck!
    I only go as low as 3 reps.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216136-finaflex-1-andro.htmlCurrent log belowhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/redefine-nutrition/226014-getting-bigger-leaner.html#post3893348

  25. Day 23 - 151.9 (+6.4lbs) Leg Day

    Well I felt pretty good today the squats felt really good and I'm glad I hit those 2 plate. No lower back pain for the most part. However my left side groin is hurting pretty bad. I have pulled it 5+ times and its never healed from Ice hockey in high school so I may have my ART doctor take a look at my next appointment. I fell good today, my fiancÚ last night looked at me and said my pecs are looking really good granted she may be a little bias. Thanks for the help guys, today I'm going to shoot for 200p, 200c, and 40 fats, give or take a few.


    BB squats
    135x5
    185x5
    225x3 (PR)
    135x10

    Plated machine squats - reverse
    90x10
    180x10
    270x10
    360x10

    Seated calf raises
    Started at 70lbs and dropped by 10 pounds each set to failure all the way to 10 lbs

    Adductor both out and in
    4 sets on each

    Glute kick back machine
    2 sets of 10 at 50lbs
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