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[mattbaseball]

I finished my 550 cycle(2 bottles) and am now taking 5 EPI pills a day and will use 3 bottles of it. I gained 3-4 lbs on 550 and got a decent amount stronger. Did not notice a whole lot in terms of body physique changes. I am almost done with week 1 of epi and I feel more changes on it then I did 550. I have lost 3 lbs on EPI and starting to lean up a good bit.

[mattbaseball]

anybody know why my lower back is super tight/hurting while on EPI...taking 5 pills a day and its right above my butt in the middle

[TurningGreen]

anybody know why my lower back is super tight/hurting while on EPI...taking 5 pills a day and its right above my butt in the middle

Are you talking about Epi-V? or Epistane? Have you been doing Deadlifts?

[ScottyDoc]

anybody know why my lower back is super tight/hurting while on EPI...taking 5 pills a day and its right above my butt in the middle

Green... based on our conversations I'm pretty darn sure he is talking about FINAFLEX EPI-V, which is a completely different animal than Epistane!

Matt... The only thing I can really think of is our EPI-V is known for really drying you out, hence why DW is always bragging about it and complaining how he should have used it to peak on, as in came in at his biggest, heaviest, and DRYest, all at the same time. Anyway, along with looking fantastic, drying out can cause joint pains, especially ones where there are already pre-disposed areas of injury or pain, that is really the only thing I can think of, I mean that and as a CHIRO, I can tell you that the L5/Sacrum (exact place/joint/articulation you are describing where your pain is) is one of the most unstable joints in the body because it has the highest weight bearing load. Lets put it this way most humans are 2/3 weight in the upper body and 1/3 weight in the lower body, well that one joint/articulation is holding up 2/3 of your body weight at almost all times of the day, only getting relieve when you are laying down, even then, certain angles still put some pressure/weight bearing on it, just to kind of give you an idea!

[mattbaseball]

Green... based on our conversations I'm pretty darn sure he is talking about FINAFLEX EPI-V, which is a completely different animal than Epistane!

Matt... The only thing I can really think of is our EPI-V is known for really drying you out, hence why DW is always bragging about it and complaining how he should have used it to peak on, as in came in at his biggest, heaviest, and DRYest, all at the same time. Anyway, along with looking fantastic, drying out can cause joint pains, especially ones where there are already pre-disposed areas of injury or pain, that is really the only thing I can think of, I mean that and as a CHIRO, I can tell you that the L5/Sacrum (exact place/joint/articulation you are describing where your pain is) is one of the most unstable joints in the body because it has the highest weight bearing load. Lets put it this way most humans are 2/3 weight in the upper body and 1/3 weight in the lower body, well that one joint/articulation is holding up 2/3 of your body weight at almost all times of the day, only getting relieve when you are laying down, even then, certain angles still put some pressure/weight bearing on it, just to kind of give you an idea!

SO what do you recommend for joints that will help the pain ASAP?

[mattbaseball]

Are you talking about Epi-V? or Epistane? Have you been doing Deadlifts?

EPI-v....I did DB deadlifts 4 sets of 10 with 65's. Real light just to hit them quick. This was Monday so it can't be that.

Drying out makes sense bc I have dropped 3-4 lbs in less then a week and I forgot Epi is a cutter and pulls out water.

[TurningGreen]

EPI-v....I did DB deadlifts 4 sets of 10 with 65's. Real light just to hit them quick. This was Monday so it can't be that.

Drying out makes sense bc I have dropped 3-4 lbs in less then a week and I forgot Epi is a cutter and pulls out water.

That would be my guess with Epi-V. I can't say I had any joint problems on cycle though. What support supplements are you taking? Try some omega fatty acids or some super cissus...lube them joints up.

[mattbaseball]

That would be my guess with Epi-V. I can't say I had any joint problems on cycle though. What support supplements are you taking? Try some omega fatty acids or some super cissus...lube them joints up.

I am and have been on a high amount of fish oil, D3, multivitamin, and PCT black every night. I have not had any other feelings of drying out besides in this location. Knees are sometimes achy but not bad at all.

I will have to look into super cissus. Interested what Doc recommends. Thanks guys

[TurningGreen]

I am and have been on a high amount of fish oil, D3, multivitamin, and PCT black every night. I have not had any other feelings of drying out besides in this location. Knees are sometimes achy but not bad at all.

I will have to look into super cissus. Interested what Doc recommends. Thanks guys

Seems like you have a good support base. I'm interested to see what Doc says as well!

[ScottyDoc]

That would be my guess with Epi-V. I can't say I had any joint problems on cycle though. What support supplements are you taking? Try some omega fatty acids or some super cissus...lube them joints up.

Agreed... Omega 3-6-9's, MSM, Chondroitin, Glucosamine, & Super Cissus. All incredible for joint aid, assist, and ease!!!

Unfortunately it is the name of the game here... to get one positive effect, you risk getting a negative or having to take multiple preventative measures to prevent the negative all in order to get the positive, that and with everyone being similar, but different, it is a constant experiment to find what works best for you!

[mattbaseball]

Agreed... Omega 3-6-9's, MSM, Chondroitin, Glucosamine, & Super Cissus. All incredible for joint aid, assist, and ease!!!

Unfortunately it is the name of the game here... to get one positive effect, you risk getting a negative or having to take multiple preventative measures to prevent the negative all in order to get the positive, that and with everyone being similar, but different, it is a constant experiment to find what works best for you!

Thanks. I will buy some MSM/Chondroiton/Glucosamine. I took it while playing ball but have not taken it in 2-3 years. I will get back on it. Also will add super cissus.

Yes this negative is alot less severe and not something I am extremely worried about. More of a nuisance/slight pain then anything.

Thanks Doc

[ScottyDoc]

I'm just glad I could help you man, never a bother, always a pleasure! I wish they had this kind of stuff around (Internet.. Google.. Forums) when I was in high school and college! I mean the information out there is vast and so easy to access compared to when I was younger, our younger generations are extremely lucky and they don't even realize just how lucky!!!

[TurningGreen]

I'm just glad I could help you man, never a bother, always a pleasure! I wish they had this kind of stuff around (Internet.. Google.. Forums) when I was in high school and college! I mean the information out there is vast and so easy to access compared to when I was younger, our younger generations are extremely lucky and they don't even realize just how lucky!!!

Not only do they not realize how lucky they are, but they are damn ungrateful as well...as the bell rings to bring in a new wave of "wonderful" students to teach...I mean babysit.

[mattbaseball]

Not only do they not realize how lucky they are, but they are damn ungrateful as well...as the bell rings to bring in a new wave of "wonderful" students to teach...I mean babysit.

I don't think you are referring to me but maybe you are?

Funny because I am a teacher also. Very true and sad how some students are nowadays

[ScottyDoc]

Not only do they not realize how lucky they are, but they are damn ungrateful as well...as the bell rings to bring in a new wave of "wonderful" students to teach...I mean babysit.

I feel your pain and I swear I think all teachers are severely, severely underpaid, to put up with what they do! I mean you have to put up with their behavior, then how it disrupts the class, then get the class back on track and do an already hard enough job of teaching these numbskulls that are not willing to open a book and read it, or study or just understand that you need a base of knowledge in which to add to, kind of like a person who trains upper body but not legs, no base and sooner or later it will crumble or can grow no further/higher! Oh wait, then ya gotta deal with the parents of these kids... "My child is an Angel! Why aren't you teaching my child? Your tests/questions are too hard!" All boiling down to what Kleen and a whole bunch of us others have been screaming about on this forum for a while now... "The Pussification of America"

[thetinyguy]

anybody know why my lower back is super tight/hurting while on EPI...taking 5 pills a day and its right above my butt in the middle

You're experiencing back pumps, taurine will help combat them if you pick some up.

[ScottyDoc]

I don't think you are referring to me but maybe you are?

Funny because I am a teacher also. Very true and sad how some students are nowadays

Noooo Matt, I am not referring to you, I honestly do not know you well enough to ever make that kind of judgement, I'm just piping in my own little Beatch Rant about society as a whole really!!!

[mattbaseball]

I feel your pain and I swear I think all teachers are severely, severely underpaid, to put up with what they do! I mean you have to put up with their behavior, then how it disrupts the class, then get the class back on track and do an already hard enough job of teaching these numbskulls that are not willing to open a book and read it, or study or just understand that you need a base of knowledge in which to add to, kind of like a person who trains upper body but not legs, no base and sooner or later it will crumble or can grow no further/higher! Oh wait, then ya gotta deal with the parents of these kids... "My child is an Angel! Why aren't you teaching my child? Your tests/questions are too hard!" All boiling down to what Kleen and a whole bunch of us others have been screaming about on this forum for a while now... "The Pussification of America"

Totally agreed. you nailed it on the head brother!!!

[mattbaseball]

You're experiencing back pumps, taurine will help combat them if you pick some up.

I thought about that as I have heard of that before. Does seem to come on stronger after taking Epi pills.

Doc where do back pumps usually occur?

[ScottyDoc]

You're experiencing back pumps, taurine will help combat them if you pick some up.

I know what back pumps are and I never experienced any back pumps with EPI-V, but if it is "Back Pumps" as Tiny is suggesting, he is 100% right, Taurine is your friend (5-10g/day) depending on severity!

I decipher the difference between back pumps and LBP (low back pain) as back pumps only happen while in the gym and may last for like an hour or so after, but minus that are not a constant thing. While LBP is constant, oh it may be worse while lifting (aggravated), but will always have at least a slight presence!

Ya know, I'm not 100% sure where Morry (fellow member of the forum) got it from, but when I was experiencing back pumps it just so happened he was too and we split either a kilo or 2 kilo's of pure taurine powder, some bulk place he knew about and it was only like $20-30 a piece, so it is definitely cheap enough to buy and just have on hand, because there are tons of hormones and prohormones out there that will cause back pumps, so it is worth a try to see if it helps!

Good call Tiny!