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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    i can't remember why fructose carbs are bad for carb-ups. Anyone remember?
    Fructose preferentially refills liver glycogen. We are primarily trying to feed the muscles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    i can't remember why fructose carbs are bad for carb-ups. Anyone remember?
    Pretty sure it is because it is used by the liver, rather then to fill muscle glycogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    Fructose preferentially refills liver glycogen. We are primarily trying to feed the muscles.
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    muhuhahahahaha!!! Beat you to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    Fructose preferentially refills liver glycogen. We are primarily trying to feed the muscles.
    does this have to do with "fruit" drinks. my grape juice is from concentrate and says nothing about being real fruit juice. any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austink3417 View Post
    does this have to do with "fruit" drinks. my grape juice is from concentrate and says nothing about being real fruit juice. any thoughts?
    I tend to shy away from fruit drinks made from concentrate because like you said, often times they don't tell you how much real fruit juice is in there. But if it says "fruit juice" on the bottle, then legally in the US it must come from 100% fruit juice. If it is a blend of fruit juice and other ingredients then it may be called something like a "fruit drink" but it cannot say "fruit juice" on the label. Either way, it would be best to stay away from the juice drinks that don't tell you the content. But a "fruit drink" may contain something like 1% of fruit juice from concentrate which would be a negligible amount of fructose. So if the label says "1% fruit juice from concentrate" then this is okay to consume.
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    I guess my liver is full as **** right now, then
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    well, sunday (1700) and today (1800) i ate lower cals. lowered em from 2200 where i was at last week. no energy loss whatsoever. my lifts continue to improve bit by bit. and i'm incorporating that HIT into the routine. this week will be a 10 minute session after each lift. next week, will be two more sessions, 15 minutes on tue/thur. then i'll up them two to 20 minutes the next week. and then the week after, i'll lower my cals again by 100 or so. this all also includes lowering the carbup a bit. by about 4-6 weeks, i should be all good. gonna order me some BCAA'S to sip on with meals. i'll then of course lower my real food protein a bit. but i feel i want me some of that good BCAA power. gonna go with NP's bulk. no added crap in it, like aspartame, glutamine, etc.

    just an update for y'all. i'll let you guys know next week how this week has gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manimalia View Post
    well, sunday (1700) and today (1800) i ate lower cals. lowered em from 2200 where i was at last week. no energy loss whatsoever. my lifts continue to improve bit by bit. and i'm incorporating that HIT into the routine. this week will be a 10 minute session after each lift. next week, will be two more sessions, 15 minutes on tue/thur. then i'll up them two to 20 minutes the next week. and then the week after, i'll lower my cals again by 100 or so. this all also includes lowering the carbup a bit. by about 4-6 weeks, i should be all good. gonna order me some BCAA'S to sip on with meals. i'll then of course lower my real food protein a bit. but i feel i want me some of that good BCAA power. gonna go with NP's bulk. no added crap in it, like aspartame, glutamine, etc.

    just an update for y'all. i'll let you guys know next week how this week has gone.
    how many carbs right now on your carb up? and what is your weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I guess my liver is full as **** right now, then

    Actually when you're liver is full, it spills over into fat after you consume excess fructose. The body stores fructose in the liver only, so if you eat 10 bowls of fruit it spills over and you get fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austink3417 View Post
    how many carbs right now on your carb up? and what is your weight?
    i weigh right now a bit under 200. and as far as my carb up, i was initially hitting 950. and then this past week i hit it down to 850. i was thinking that i'd stick at 800 til i shed a bit more weight, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Actually when you're liver is full, it spills over into fat after you consume excess fructose. The body stores fructose in the liver only, so if you eat 10 bowls of fruit it spills over and you get fat.
    LOL great. Luckily I only got about 165g fructose carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    LOL great. Luckily I only got about 165g fructose carbs.
    You're cool then.

    The good news is that it uses liver glycogen as one of the first sources of energy, so even when you're filling up, it's likely tapping into it.
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    Any truth to the atkins method of "total carbs"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Any truth to the atkins method of "total carbs"?
    how does that go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Any truth to the atkins method of "total carbs"?

    It's all subjective. Everyone requires or uses a different number of calories and carbs depending on a million factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    It's all subjective. Everyone requires or uses a different number of calories and carbs depending on a million factors.
    I meant "net carbs" as in the net carb amount (the important number in atkins) = total carbs-alcohol sugars-fiber= net carbs.

    Another Question- Who thinks DinoBites (mimic fruity pebbles) are fructose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I meant "net carbs" as in the net carb amount (the important number in atkins) = total carbs-alcohol sugars-fiber= net carbs.

    Another Question- Who thinks DinoBites (mimic fruity pebbles) are fructose?
    I would say dinobites are not fructose. How much sugar per serving in those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austink3417 View Post
    I would say dinobites are not fructose. How much sugar per serving in those?
    Don't know, don't care
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Don't know, don't care
    why the **** did you ask then
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    Because if it's fructose I don't want to eat much of them. If they aren't, well then I don't care!
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    i don't know what the hell is going on this week. i'm carb-loading right now and i keep breaking into sweats everytime i eat cereal or drink gatorade. any clue?
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    Don't know but I feel super bloated and lethargic right now. BLAH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Don't know but I feel super bloated and lethargic right now. BLAH.
    I stole your frosting idea from another thread. Yum.
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    So I just did a killer legs workout on thursday, with my carb-up being on wednesday. I am deathly sore right now (saturday). I have been eating a ton of protein, but my recovery time still blows. Does this have to do with having no carbs, or am I doing something wrong?

    After my workout on wednesday, this is what my day looked like.

    Post-Workout- 1 egg, 1.5 scoops ON Whey in water, 2TBS NPB

    1 hour later- 1 can Tuna w/ Mayo a handful of walnuts, and a spinach salad with EVOO

    the rest of the day was basically 30-50g protein every 2-3 hours, along with various sources of fat.

    I repeated the same thing yesterday with my chest/tricep workout, and my arms feel fine. Why are my legs always still really sore for 2-3 days after i work them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esox Express View Post
    So I just did a killer legs workout on thursday, with my carb-up being on wednesday. I am deathly sore right now (saturday). I have been eating a ton of protein, but my recovery time still blows. Does this have to do with having no carbs, or am I doing something wrong?

    After my workout on wednesday, this is what my day looked like.

    Post-Workout- 1 egg, 1.5 scoops ON Whey in water, 2TBS NPB

    1 hour later- 1 can Tuna w/ Mayo a handful of walnuts, and a spinach salad with EVOO

    the rest of the day was basically 30-50g protein every 2-3 hours, along with various sources of fat.

    I repeated the same thing yesterday with my chest/tricep workout, and my arms feel fine. Why are my legs always still really sore for 2-3 days after i work them?
    Are you eating enough calories and do you have a high enough percentage of fat in your diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    Are you eating enough calories and do you have a high enough percentage of fat in your diet?
    roughly 3000 calories. I weigh about 150. That should be plenty, right? It might be not enough fat, I'll try to get some more in.

    It just seems weird that my upper body always recovers fine, but my legs suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esox Express View Post
    roughly 3000 calories. I weigh about 150. That should be plenty, right? It might be not enough fat, I'll try to get some more in.

    It just seems weird that my upper body always recovers fine, but my legs suck.
    I'd think 3000 would be enough. You should be getting 65-70% fats. How long have you been on the diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait View Post
    I'd think 3000 would be enough. You should be getting 65-70% fats. How long have you been on the diet?
    This is my 6th week. I haven't really been doing any really intense weight workouts yet though, as I wanted to be sure I had made the "metabolic shift". It's my first time, so I get a little nervous about everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I meant "net carbs" as in the net carb amount (the important number in atkins) = total carbs-alcohol sugars-fiber= net carbs.

    Another Question- Who thinks DinoBites (mimic fruity pebbles) are fructose?
    Subtract the fiber.

    Can't find any info on dinobites, they usually have a breakdown on Nutritiondata.com of the sucrose, glucose, fructose, etc that a product has. Doesn't even list it for fruity pebbles.

    Some people respond badly to alcohol sugars, I just avoid them in general.
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