CK/Anabolic Diet mega thread

[Esox Express]

Thank you for that lengthy post Botch. That answered a lot of questions that I'm sure many people here, including myself, were thinking.

My question is about alcohol. If a had a few beers one night around midweek, not during my carbup, would that still be ok, assuming that I'm not eating any fats or other carbs while i'm drinking?

[Botch]

Thank you for that lengthy post Botch. That answered a lot of questions that I'm sure many people here, including myself, were thinking.

My question is about alcohol. If a had a few beers one night around midweek, not during my carbup, would that still be ok, assuming that I'm not eating any fats or other carbs while i'm drinking?

The only problem I can see, as long as you are drinking an alcoholic beverage low in carbs is that it may screw with your T/E ratios. I wouldn't recommend it, however I can't say that I haven't done it myself at one time or another. Now, if you only have a couple drinks during the week on occasion you will be just fine, but if you're drinking several nights a week then it may become a problem. I would save my beer drinking for the weekends 99% of the time but if there was a social event that I attended during the week I may put back a brew or two with the guys. However, this is something I would do very occasionally and since we are all working hard on this diet to better ourselves anyways I think it is good to restrain yourself from alcohol. Especially because you are already okay to have a couple during the carb up, which is plenty IMO.

The good news is that this diet is GREAT for a hangover, lol. Have you ever wondered why you crave greezy a** foods the morning after a night of heavy drinking? Then, when you eat a bunch (like a huge McDonalds meal) you feel like shlt? The rise in insulin you receive from that meal is the reason you feel like shlt after eating. Your body just went through a night of feeling great as you were drunk and once you give it that little pick-me-up of insulin it wants more. But on this diet you will not be getting an insulin rise after a night of drinking so you will not have such a problem with hangovers. WARNING: I do not condone ANYONE to abuse alcohol. I am just stating this to spread the knowledge.

[ThomasRivera]

Very important not to get in too much alcohol. It can inhibit fat oxidation.

[Esox Express]

Ok thanks guys. I usually take it pretty easy anyway, It's just that if one of my buddies offers me a beer and I say "no thanks, I'm on a diet"...... well you can imagine what they say.

[Botch]

Hahaha yeah I get where you're coming from Esox. You may find that saying "no thanks" is enough and then you don't have to go into any sort of explanation.

[Botch]

Very important not to get in too much alcohol. It can inhibit fat oxidation.

Yes this is true. If you're "dieting down" per se it is not a good idea to include alcohol in your diet. Just for the shear fact that you have extra calories to burn in the form of alcohol (which the body burns before anything else), so during that time your body is not burning fat. And to top it off you are giving your body calories that don't have any nutritional value when you are already in a caloric defecit. If you are going to eat the extra calories it might as well be from real food with some nutritional value.

[ThomasRivera]

Ok thanks guys. I usually take it pretty easy anyway, It's just that if one of my buddies offers me a beer and I say "no thanks, I'm on a diet"...... well you can imagine what they say.

Yeah I understand. Been in the same situation. If "No i'm dieting" doesn't work, I hit usually hit them with the "Not during training". And if they persist I invite them to do my routine in the gym.

[RobInKuwait]

Question:

How do these macros look for the Anabolic Diet? I'm 6'4 265-270, depending on the day of the week. I'm looking to recomp/slowly lose fat.

grams calories %total
Total 3453
Protein 344 1376 39.85%
Carbs 40 160 4.63%
Fiber 19 76 2.2%
Sugar 15 60 1.74%
Fat 213 1917 55.52%
Sat 48 432 12.51%
Poly 58 522 15.12%
Mono 105 945 27.37%

[Manimalia]

what supps are ok to use while on this diet? specifically, can i effectively use a test-freeing supp, or are the pathways for its delivery messed with on this rollercoaster of a diet?

[CryingEmo]

One thing about CKD is that it may slow thyroid a bit on the low carb days, so maybe use Venom or something with Tyrosine and Gugglestones to keep it running optimally. ALso get plenty of cardio and weight training in.

[RobInKuwait]

Midweek Carb Up:

This morning I had 900mg ALA, followed by 3 scoops of waxy maize (120 carbs) followed by 3 bowls of Golden Grahms (350ish carbs), then went back to low carbing it. When I played volleyball tonight, I played amazing. Definitely could tell a difference from last week. I had plenty of energy. I was diving all over the court, my sets were on, and my hits were money. There were a couple other differences from last week:

-2.5g PLCAR (ALCAR pregame last week, PLCAR works 100 times better)
-1 serving Poseidon (not sure if that did anything)

I may wait until Saturday this week for a carb up, seeing as I have to do some surveillance on Friday night.

[Botch]

Question:

How do these macros look for the Anabolic Diet? I'm 6'4 265-270, depending on the day of the week. I'm looking to recomp/slowly lose fat.

grams calories %total
Total 3453
Protein 344 1376 39.85%
Carbs 40 160 4.63%
Fiber 19 76 2.2%
Sugar 15 60 1.74%
Fat 213 1917 55.52%
Sat 48 432 12.51%
Poly 58 522 15.12%
Mono 105 945 27.37%

This looks okay bro but I would really try keeping your protein at ~30% and fat at ~70% if you haven't tried this already. I would also try and get at least 10g more fiber per day. Your overall fat ratios and caloric intake look good though.

[Botch]

what supps are ok to use while on this diet? specifically, can i effectively use a test-freeing supp, or are the pathways for its delivery messed with on this rollercoaster of a diet?

A test-freeing supplement such as divanil is great on this diet. The nature of this diet will raise your testosterone levels so you will have more to free up. The type of supplements I would avoid on this diet are just basically strong stimulants as this can put your hormones out of wack.

[Botch]

One thing about CKD is that it may slow thyroid a bit on the low carb days, so maybe use Venom or something with Tyrosine and Gugglestones to keep it running optimally. ALso get plenty of cardio and weight training in.

Good point. Something for the thyroid can be very helpful on this diet. However, as a personal choice I would stay away from venom as it has some strong stimulants in there as well. Taking something for the thyroid throughout the week and Tyrosine Wednesday through Friday as part of a nootropic cocktail would be ideal.

[Botch]

Midweek Carb Up:

This morning I had 900mg ALA, followed by 3 scoops of waxy maize (120 carbs) followed by 3 bowls of Golden Grahms (350ish carbs), then went back to low carbing it. When I played volleyball tonight, I played amazing. Definitely could tell a difference from last week. I had plenty of energy. I was diving all over the court, my sets were on, and my hits were money. There were a couple other differences from last week:

-2.5g PLCAR (ALCAR pregame last week, PLCAR works 100 times better)
-1 serving Poseidon (not sure if that did anything)

I may wait until Saturday this week for a carb up, seeing as I have to do some surveillance on Friday night.

Good update! I'm glad that this protocol is working for you. I also like to take carnitines throughout the week on this diet and I feel like they do a great deal for me.

[RobInKuwait]

Good update! I'm glad that this protocol is working for you. I also like to take carnitines throughout the week on this diet and I feel like they do a great deal for me.

Yeah, PLCAR is a wondersupp. No other non-hormonal supplement is in the same ballpark in my eyes. I'm trying to conserve it as suppliers are saying it may be hard to come by in the future, so I'm only using it before I play sports and using ALCAR the rest of the time.

[RobInKuwait]

This looks okay bro but I would really try keeping your protein at ~30% and fat at ~70% if you haven't tried this already. I would also try and get at least 10g more fiber per day. Your overall fat ratios and caloric intake look good though.

Sounds good. Alot have people have been saying to try and get proteins from leaner meat sources, and fats from cleaner sources such as fish oil, peanut butter, and EVOO. Right now I've been getting about 70% of my fats from meat and eggs products. Should I try and integrate a higher % of good fats and lean protein into my diet?

[CryingEmo]

I'd say eggs are "good fats."


Also, so are cheeses, they contain high amounts of CLA.


Add in fish oils with cheese, eggs, and maybe some olive oil and you're set.

[CryingEmo]

Salmon is so delicious though.

Lots of EFA's, and protein = Anabolic Diet food of the century award.

[RobInKuwait]

How do you feel about fatty chicken, steak and pork?