CK/Anabolic Diet mega thread
- 08-15-2008, 07:22 PM
Thank you for that lengthy post Botch. That answered a lot of questions that I'm sure many people here, including myself, were thinking.
My question is about alcohol. If a had a few beers one night around midweek, not during my carbup, would that still be ok, assuming that I'm not eating any fats or other carbs while i'm drinking?
- 08-15-2008, 07:49 PM
The good news is that this diet is GREAT for a hangover, lol. Have you ever wondered why you crave greezy a** foods the morning after a night of heavy drinking? Then, when you eat a bunch (like a huge McDonalds meal) you feel like shlt? The rise in insulin you receive from that meal is the reason you feel like shlt after eating. Your body just went through a night of feeling great as you were drunk and once you give it that little pick-me-up of insulin it wants more. But on this diet you will not be getting an insulin rise after a night of drinking so you will not have such a problem with hangovers. WARNING: I do not condone ANYONE to abuse alcohol. I am just stating this to spread the knowledge.
Last edited by Botch; 08-15-2008 at 08:09 PM.
- 08-16-2008, 05:44 AM
Very important not to get in too much alcohol. It can inhibit fat oxidation.
08-16-2008, 11:01 AM
Ok thanks guys. I usually take it pretty easy anyway, It's just that if one of my buddies offers me a beer and I say "no thanks, I'm on a diet"...... well you can imagine what they say.
08-16-2008, 12:45 PM
Hahaha yeah I get where you're coming from Esox. You may find that saying "no thanks" is enough and then you don't have to go into any sort of explanation.
08-16-2008, 01:12 PM
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08-19-2008, 06:05 PM
How do these macros look for the Anabolic Diet? I'm 6'4 265-270, depending on the day of the week. I'm looking to recomp/slowly lose fat.
grams calories %total
Protein 344 1376 39.85%
Carbs 40 160 4.63%
Fiber 19 76 2.2%
Sugar 15 60 1.74%
Fat 213 1917 55.52%
Sat 48 432 12.51%
Poly 58 522 15.12%
Mono 105 945 27.37%
08-20-2008, 05:29 PM
what supps are ok to use while on this diet? specifically, can i effectively use a test-freeing supp, or are the pathways for its delivery messed with on this rollercoaster of a diet?
08-20-2008, 07:50 PM
One thing about CKD is that it may slow thyroid a bit on the low carb days, so maybe use Venom or something with Tyrosine and Gugglestones to keep it running optimally. ALso get plenty of cardio and weight training in.
08-20-2008, 08:33 PM
Midweek Carb Up:
This morning I had 900mg ALA, followed by 3 scoops of waxy maize (120 carbs) followed by 3 bowls of Golden Grahms (350ish carbs), then went back to low carbing it. When I played volleyball tonight, I played amazing. Definitely could tell a difference from last week. I had plenty of energy. I was diving all over the court, my sets were on, and my hits were money. There were a couple other differences from last week:
-2.5g PLCAR (ALCAR pregame last week, PLCAR works 100 times better)
-1 serving Poseidon (not sure if that did anything)
I may wait until Saturday this week for a carb up, seeing as I have to do some surveillance on Friday night.
08-22-2008, 11:36 AM
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08-22-2008, 12:31 PM
I'd say eggs are "good fats."
Also, so are cheeses, they contain high amounts of CLA.
Add in fish oils with cheese, eggs, and maybe some olive oil and you're set.
08-22-2008, 12:32 PM
Salmon is so delicious though.
Lots of EFA's, and protein = Anabolic Diet food of the century award.
08-22-2008, 12:57 PM
How do you feel about fatty chicken, steak and pork?
08-22-2008, 01:27 PM
08-22-2008, 02:49 PM
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08-22-2008, 03:04 PM
eh, botch. thanks for the answer on that question. i'm only on day 2 of this thing. gonna do my adapting at the 10 day level. WHOO! everything is in place. i took care of training first. set up diet next. now supplementation is set. it's on. might even log all this.
08-22-2008, 04:17 PM
I'm about to go to the grocery store and then go do a depletion workout. I need food ideas! Here's what I've got planned ( I know I should have planned out more)
-2 loaf White bread
- 2-3 box sugary cereals!
-1 tub gatorade powder
- big jug soda, juice etc
- 10-12 cups white rice
- 2 # white pasta
I'll eat all of this within the carb period. Additions appreciated!
08-22-2008, 05:43 PM
200 carbs gatorade powder, 200g carbs white rice, and the rest would be in assorted amounts of white/sweet potato mash, brown rice, mixed veggies/corn.
but man, you're all about them simple carbs. i'll likely just use my simples after depletion on fridays. that's where the 200g carbs gatorade comes in. and then two meals following will have about 3 cups white rice in each. the next day'll be more complex carbs.
my training is a three day split, a slightly altered version of "westside for skinny bastards" (the difference being that friday is not just an upper body repetition workout. it's a full body (threw in 3x40 weighted lunges and quad/ham curl superset of 2x15). and the reps are upped a few on some exercises).
this sound ok to y'all? i hope that this works out. it should. from reading up on smarter peoples' outlooks on this stuff, this seems to be a good protocol, diet/training-wise. there is one thing i am REALLY unsure of, though. and that is CARDIO. i planned to walk three days a week for an hour briskly. what do you all think of that? or should i indeed do a bit of running? i know the goal is to be glycogen-depleted. but just how fast will the occur with running? see, i don't quite know how fast it will occur if i lift AND run. is it necessary?
08-22-2008, 05:46 PM
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08-22-2008, 06:02 PM
Cardio is something that could be debated forever. I personally don't do it on this diet and like to save my glycogen stores for lifting. I've definately been an avid cardio goer in the past and on this diet I have run into problems by doing HIIT cardio 3x per week. It would leave a burning sensation in my legs just walking for the rest of the week. And my lowerbody workouts would suffer from it. But if you're a fan of cardio then more power to you. If I were to do cardio I would go with the brisk walk 3x per week on this diet rather than running which will surely be tapping into your glycogen stores.
08-22-2008, 06:06 PM
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08-22-2008, 06:07 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Botch again
08-22-2008, 06:10 PM
08-22-2008, 06:40 PM
For ME, i need to keep protein high.. My strength continues to climb, and i have been steady dropping BF.
At first i had to play around with the ratios of Pro/fat, i tried keeping fats at 60-70% but strength was suffering, and weight loss was pretty stagnant.
When protein got upped, total cals stayed the same, then fat started coming off, while strength slowly but surely climbed. I have been taking it nice and slow though.
Normally at this point, on a carb based "calorie restricted" diet, i feel like TOTAL ****.. I drag ass in the gym, strength goes in the toilet, and i feel like hell all day. Right now, i feel GREAT.
Like botch said, it is very individual. Play around with your macros, food selection, etc.
08-22-2008, 06:52 PM
Hey bro I was wondering when you were going to make an appearance around here!
Man, all this pizza talk is making me hungry. Luckily there is a pizza joint less than a block from my apartment. Damnit, why do they have to make it so easy for me to cheat?!?!
08-22-2008, 07:29 PM
So let's take a vote. Who thinks I should try and keep my cals the same during carb up and who thinks I should just scarf? I'm trying to cut fyi
08-22-2008, 07:53 PM
I wouldn't say just "scarf" but either do a protocol similar to the "duchane" one, or slam the carbs heavy, paying attention to the fats.
I had been doing the duchane way, but the last couple of months, i just go VERY heavy on the carbs, and keep fat low.
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