Halodrol Cycle

[DreamWeaver]

Got my Halodrol will be starting it this weekend.

I got 3 bottles of Pro Liver and I plan on taking 9 caps a day starting tomorrow right through my PCT. I have plenty of fish and flax oil on hand as well.

My PCT is simply NHA with 200 grams of DHEA a day.

[delta314]

Wouldn't Nolvadex XT be a good choice for PCT? It's what Gaspari recomends.

[Jameson]

I would politely suggest to both of you that you do a little more research on PCT protocols before starting a cycle. You will find a lot of conflicting information (not to mention some very bitter arguments), but it is best that you know what you are getting into.

Gaspari's *Novedex XT* is NOT the same thing as Nolva (tamoxifen) which is a SERM. Novedex XT is ATD and you may want to think twice before running an ATD only PCT. But it will depend on what you are using and how long. In any case, it's important that you have at least a basic understanding of these things, confusing as they may be, so that you don't get into any trouble you might have been able to avoid (search for rebound gyno for an example).

[DreamWeaver]

Well I allready had the NHA stack and I have read logs where it worked very well for others. I have done one heck of a lot of reading and this seems to me the most sensible way to go. I am of course open to suggestion.

[Jameson]

I'll be interested to hear how it goes. I'll be doing Halodrol in the spring time too. I'm using Nolva right now for PCT. Last time I went with ATD and had no problems, but after reading through all the debates here and at BB.com with Dr.D, PA, Big Cat and the rest of them, I decided that I would stick with the Nolva this time. How are you dosing the Halodrol?

[DreamWeaver]

I read the debate, I don't know what way to go really, but people have had good success with ATD it seems so...

I am just going to take 1 tab early in the morning run it for 30 days. Apparently that's all you need. There are some pretty good logs. Most people are reporting very little sides.

[delta314]

I would politely suggest to both of you that you do a little more research on PCT protocols before starting a cycle. You will find a lot of conflicting information (not to mention some very bitter arguments), but it is best that you know what you are getting into.

Gaspari's *Novedex XT* is NOT the same thing as Nolva (tamoxifen) which is a SERM. Novedex XT is ATD and you may want to think twice before running an ATD only PCT. But it will depend on what you are using and how long. In any case, it's important that you have at least a basic understanding of these things, confusing as they may be, so that you don't get into any trouble you might have been able to avoid (search for rebound gyno for an example).

H-50 does not aromatize, and has anti-estrogenic/anti-progestenic effects. Why would you need a SERM for it?

[DreamWeaver]

Yes that what I was thinking too, from what I've read I believe my PCT is pretty solid. The only conern I have is my liver and I ordered another 3 bottles of Liver Pro to add to my first 3. I'm open to suggestion like I said but I did do my homework to the best of my ability.

[swole210]

Wouldn't Nolvadex XT be a good choice for PCT? It's what Gaspari recomends.

Novadex is ATD! ATD is one component of NHA.

[DreamWeaver]

Yes I was aware of that.

[delta314]

I would get a blood test before and after the cycle. I'm planning on doing a Halodrol cycle around April or May. I'm reading as many logs as I can to learn as much as possible before hand.

[swole210]

I would politely suggest to both of you that you do a little more research on PCT protocols before starting a cycle. You will find a lot of conflicting information (not to mention some very bitter arguments), but it is best that you know what you are getting into.

Gaspari's *Novedex XT* is NOT the same thing as Nolva (tamoxifen) which is a SERM. Novedex XT is ATD and you may want to think twice before running an ATD only PCT. But it will depend on what you are using and how long. In any case, it's important that you have at least a basic understanding of these things, confusing as they may be, so that you don't get into any trouble you might have been able to avoid (search for rebound gyno for an example).

Indeed Nolva is a very good Pct product. I have never used it myself, but from the literature, and the plethora of people who have used it, it is a wise choice. Serms and Atd I beleive have their places in a good PCT. Dream weaver will not be running an ATD ONLY cycle, as the NHA stack also incorporates ActivaTe. I am not sure if it also incorporates Lean Extreme, but adding this product to a Pct protocol would also be a wise decision. I also read the debate, and actually asked Big Cat a question, to which he came out and wished death on Dr.D! As such, the thread was locked , which I wish it hadn't so we could hear all the sides of this argument. I was confused by this thread as well, but you cannot deny the many, many succesful Pct's using Atd along with other ancilliaries that have been run by many people on this board, including myself. So to say that Atd is not a wise choice, is not a wise choice of words! As with everything in life, there are going to be conflicting points of views, and conflicting arguments and beliefs. There are different paths to get to get to a certain goal, so there could be more than one right way in my opinion. Ahyhow, I am getting a little of topic here, but to make a long story short, Dreamweaver, I beleive the Pct protocol you have is pretty solid for you. H-50 did not seem to shut me down that bad, so you should be back up and running soon afterwards. Keep it simple, or you will find yourself very confused, and with no pct protocol.

[swole210]

I would get a blood test before and after the cycle. I'm planning on doing a Halodrol cycle around April or May. I'm reading as many logs as I can to learn as much as possible before hand.

Allways a wise decision!

[DreamWeaver]

Yes it does include the lean extreme. It's all the complications with PCT that made me decide on something less suppresive, I did a lot of reading and if I were going to do something a little harsher I would probably have gone with Dr. D's PCT suggestions invloving SERM and decreasing dosages.

Thanks for your input.

[DreamWeaver]

Yah I'm working away from home or maybe I would.

[Jameson]

"you cannot deny the many, many succesful Pct's using Atd along with other ancilliaries that have been run by many people on this board, including myself. So to say that Atd is not a wise choice, is not a wise choice of words!"

Not only would I not deny it, I would add myself to the list! I did an ATD only PCT and loved it. Had no problems whatsoever and even continued to gain. I'm using Nolva right now and frankly, I am not liking it near as much. This time around I decided against the ATD based PCT because of everything I'd read--there are lots of folks with far more experience than me saying SERMs are tried and true while ATD is kind of the new guy on the block and may or may not be tied to the rebound gyno question. So I went with the Nolva and plan on tapering off into an AI.

I did not actually say that ATD is not a wise choice, I said only that it might be wise to research it further and think it through before deciding on it. If I made it sound otherwise I apologize. Dreamweaver made it clear that he had in fact been following all the frustrating and sometimes contradictory PCT debates that are going on and chose to go the ATD only route anyway. More power to him! I hope his cycle and PCT go well cause I'll be trying Halodrol myself in a few months and would much prefer to use the ATD pct without Nolva. Nolva makes me feel lousy and carries the threat of possible long term side effects like vision problems so if I can do without it, or just keep it on hand in case it's needed, that would be far preferable. Again, sorry guys if I sounded overly critical.

[Jameson]

by the way, for those who haven't already seen it, it's worth taking the time (it's pretty damn long):

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=669724

[delta314]

Jameson, I wouldn't post anything in a forum with people who have the experience that you will find in AM, unless I did have some basic understanding of what I was talking about. Your first post came off as being a tad on the sarcastic side. (maybe it was because I mis-spelled Novedex... )
Regardless, I have done ATD only PCT for some legal cycles and have not had any problems. That doesn't mean someone else wont. My thing is I will not do anything illegal due to my job. And that includes prescription drugs for PCT.

[DreamWeaver]

The reasons I chose ATD, is 1) many people have been successful with it and it has good reviews 2) it's legal 3) I have read that Halodrol is not harsh. 4) SERMS have potential long term side effects (so I've read). 5) I've also read that SERM's make you feel like crap.

I am sure that SERMs have their place in harsher cycles but that's not the case here.

Anyhow I started today, nothing to report of course, I had a could cardio, feel pretty good.

I am taking 5 grams of fish oil with 3 grams of flax a day. I am taking 9 caps of Liver Pro a day. I weighed in a 261 on a very acurate scale, I hope to be down to 240 by the end of my PCT or the end of March.

I have a very clean diet and will post it folks are interested, I am somewhat of an expert when it comes to myself and diets, having years of going up and down. Being a really ****ty off season dieter has made me a real cutting expert lol. I have about 3 or 4 different types that have worked for me.

I will be doing a 3 day split of mostly compound movements, I am currently doing some pre-exhaust work but may reconsider that when I change up after this week. Currently my strength is not good, and because of my age the gains in strength have been coming very slowly.

I am very in tune with my body so I will be an excellent candidate for people to get an idea of what to expect. What I expect from my reading is increased strength and much better body composition when all's said and done.

[delta314]

DW, I would be very interested in looking at your different diets, as I have a tendency to go up and down. I'll need to do a cutting cycle soon, and any advice will be appreciated.