Hey guys, as to the Joint Pain, I have heard and read that Ciccus RX is supposed to work great to reduce joint pain.
I know on previous cycles I have done, the strength increases come so fast that the tendons and ligaments can't "keep up" with stress placed on them.

I would really support the use of Cissus on any cycle if you have joint problems. JMHO


Mr.50

Originally Posted by El Diablo

Hey guys, as to the Joint Pain, I have heard and read that Ciccus RX is supposed to work great to reduce joint pain.
I know on previous cycles I have done, the strength increases come so fast that the tendons and ligaments can't "keep up" with stress placed on them.

Originally Posted by jdahlum

Guys,

Thought I would update you on the back pumps. I must be really prone to them or something because as of last night they have gotten really bad. Enough to make me consider stopping the cycle a week early. I had these pretty bad on my last PP cycle and so far these are getting every bit as bad as those did. What is the deal with these things!?!? They just freakin' throb and by nighttime they are really tough.

Just thought I would add that as I have not really seen other people complain about this with Halodrol. Do you guys think it could be the Prostan? Don't mean to hijack the thread so disregard this if it gets in the way.

Hey bro, are you sure they are back pumps, or a "pain" that you feel in your lower back? The bad lower back pumps that come with some of the methyls, should only occur mostly when working out, running or something like that. Some of these methyls also stress the kidney out a bit, and thus cause a lower back "pain". The pumps shoul not be with you 24/7 and be especailly bad at night. When was your last cycle with a methyl? May be you need to take a little bit more time off , and recover better. Don't know that this is the case, but just throwing something out there for you to consider.

Swole,

Thanks for the reply man. It's hard to tell if they are just a pain or if they are actually a pump. I have lower back issues anyway which cause my back to stay tight and it seems when I add a methyl it gets REALLY tight all the time and starts to throb. It is helped by deep massage. The wife does one for me every night when they get bad and those help quite a bit. They also go away when I am laying down for a while so I don't THINK they are kidney related but it is something I have considered. Yesterday and today I have taken two Advil and it has nearly resolved the problem for me. I'm still really tight but the pain is mostly gone. I am really thinking that it is just related to my back stiffness to begin with and then when I add the methyl it just knots up on me nearly all day. I also work a computer job which keeps me in a chair almost all day and that does NOT help a bit.

Is there any other way to determine if it is kidney related other than a blood test? I don't have any problems going to the bathroom and everything looks clean and clear when I do. What are the signs of kidney trouble other than lower back pain? Thanks again for the heads up though.

Originally Posted by jdahlum

Swole,

Thanks for the reply man. It's hard to tell if they are just a pain or if they are actually a pump. I have lower back issues anyway which cause my back to stay tight and it seems when I add a methyl it gets REALLY tight all the time and starts to throb. It is helped by deep massage. The wife does one for me every night when they get bad and those help quite a bit. They also go away when I am laying down for a while so I don't THINK they are kidney related but it is something I have considered. Yesterday and today I have taken two Advil and it has nearly resolved the problem for me. I'm still really tight but the pain is mostly gone. I am really thinking that it is just related to my back stiffness to begin with and then when I add the methyl it just knots up on me nearly all day. I also work a computer job which keeps me in a chair almost all day and that does NOT help a bit.

Is there any other way to determine if it is kidney related other than a blood test? I don't have any problems going to the bathroom and everything looks clean and clear when I do. What are the signs of kidney trouble other than lower back pain? Thanks again for the heads up though.

Hey bro, well it sounds like it may not be kidney related from what you stated, so that is good. It sounds like it may be related to you prior lower back problems, and from your job and sitting in a chair a lot, I could se how this would further aggrevate it. Kidney pain should be a persistant aching pain in you lower back(below rib cage, and of course there are other signs like difficulty going to the bathroom, bloody or cloudy urine, excessively foamy urine, and some other suff as well. But sounds like you are cool bro. Hope that lower back gets better, maybe see a doc for it if it gets that bad? Well good luck with your gains and everything bro!

Day 30 all i well with the libido, I started taking some trib/fenugreek/longjack all in one test booster just in case. PCT starts tommorow.

Several people have referred to the old / new batches of Halodrol.

How can you tell which batch you have?

You ca tell by the expiry dates 2007 is the old batch.

Wow third day of PCT, I feel pretty good but the amazing thing is my waist has gone down another half inch and it really shows. Size and hardness is really good, along with good workouts. I am really drained from hitting the weights so hard in the last 4 weeks and will be changing up next week; I will do some more isolated exercises but won’t completely abandon all the compound movements. Squats will still be there, can’t imagine doing legs without squats.

Can't wai to use this stuff i got 6 boxes ofthe old batch just tempting me...it seems everyone is getting solid lean gains...with minimum sides

Six boxes that should last you a while.

[quote]As for the joint pain, I got none. I really think it is the prostan, as that would tend to dry your joints out. SD was HARD on my joints, man I thought there was something wrong with me at one point! quote]

I haad the same on my SD cycle, I increased my intake of Taurine and it helped alot. (3.5 grams a day.)

Hey DW! Whats up bro? I haven't been around here for a while, so I decided to stop by and see how everything is comming along for you in your pct. Hope everything is going well, and that you are maintaining those awesome gains you got! So hope to hear an update form you soon.

Originally Posted by swole210

Hey DW! Whats up bro? I haven't been around here for a while, so I decided to stop by and see how everything is comming along for you in your pct. Hope everything is going well, and that you are maintaining those awesome gains you got! So hope to hear an update form you soon.

Hey swole, PCT is fine I am maintaining mass and strength, probably lost a pound in the first week, but lost a lot of fat when I started the lean extreme. I have started a new thread I put it in my signature. This will monitor my progress with various bridging supps as well as another cycle of halodrol with prostanz, it's pretty detailed.

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Hey swole, PCT is fine I am maintaining mass and strength, probably lost a pound in the first week, but lost a lot of fat when I started the lean extreme. I have started a new thread I put it in my signature. This will monitor my progress with various bridging supps as well as another cycle of halodrol with prostanz, it's pretty detailed.

Awesome stuff Dw! I will definately be keeping track on your progress! Good to hear that you are keeping your gains bro. Yeah, The Lean Extreme, and Rebound, got me really lean! Well again,good to hear everything is working out well, and I will be tuned in!

hi i am quite new to this forum but i take halodrol and now stacking with dbol has anyone tried this stack i think halodrol is quite weak on its own for mass gains im in my 14th day now and only talking 5lb gain superdrol is a hell of alot stronger but does have a few sides which halodrol has none so far. hope dbol bunks it up

Bro I got to tell you that I think DBol and HDrol together is a no no. I mean I know it has been done and the rule against 2 methyls is not absolute but I would be very careful.

IMHO

Mr.50

Originally Posted by stallionman

hi i am quite new to this forum but i take halodrol and now stacking with dbol has anyone tried this stack i think halodrol is quite weak on its own for mass gains im in my 14th day now and only talking 5lb gain superdrol is a hell of alot stronger but does have a few sides which halodrol has none so far. hope dbol bunks it up

Originally Posted by stallionman

hi i am quite new to this forum but i take halodrol and now stacking with dbol has anyone tried this stack i think halodrol is quite weak on its own for mass gains im in my 14th day now and only talking 5lb gain superdrol is a hell of alot stronger but does have a few sides which halodrol has none so far. hope dbol bunks it up

Ok for the record, why are you stacking those two??? They are redundant. First halodrol is a derivative of Oral Turinabol, in which OT is a derivative of Dbol without the problems of aromatizing!!! So you are stacking almost the same compound, and you are expecting what??? Not to flame but you have no reason to touch steroids for such a post, and for health reasons.

yes Apower your probably right wish i would of gone with superdrol instead of halodrol at least would have got better gains in weight and strength but i heard good things about halodrol dont believe everthing you hear i should of stuck to what i know anyway we shall see what gains i shall achieve in the next couple of weeks will keep you posted

out of curiosity, have you had any body recomp on the halodrol? my halodrol/prost cycle has been delayed due to an accident, but would still like to hear what all halodrol has done for ya..

im in my 15th day halodrol is slow but i think the gains maybe good im too impatient i suppose we are talking 5lb gain here not alot really they did make it sound better than what it is but the good thing about it no sides if i would have had 2 boxes i would have gone 1tab first week 2nd week 1 and a half 3rd week 2tabs 4thweek 1tab then maybe would have seen better gains its not as toxic as superdrol so i think you could do this but work out expensive

I don't know what I can add that hasn't already been said, I found it be an excellent product for my purposes which was to maintain/increase strength and mass while losing weight. I believe I achieved this.

Let me give you a picture of how things were before the cycle and I believe this will shed some light on why I was pleased with this product. I had lost around 30-40 (maybe more I can't remember) lbs at the start of my cycle after being away from training for a couple of years. I was getting very frustrated by my progress in the gym it seems that a combination of age (47) and being idle were taking a toll. I needed something to kick start me anabolically, I considered HRT but decided to give Halodrol a try due to the lack of reported sides.

Now I am back in the hunt, I have lost 65 lbs and am quite a bit stronger than I was when I started the cycle, during my PCT I maintained strength and now on my USP stack I am getting stronger and more fit each week. After my PCT I estimate I retained about 5 lbs lean mass on a calorie deficit. I'm kicking ass again at the gym instead of having mine kicked.

If you eat, you will grow.

If your dissapointed, perhaps fault doesnt lie with the compound. If oyur not eating to support the new 5 lbs, AND eating above that limit, then you wont put on any more weight.

your right im not a very good eater but i have dropped dosage on dbol to come off them and just stick with halodrol noticed a slight bruising on you know what doesnt look good dont know if anything to do with it but not taking any chances now it will be hard to bulk up got to rely on my weight gain drinks and protein drinks 2weeks to go till my pct but when i took superdrol i retained 12lbs of of bodyweight which was brilliant

by the way is 6oxo the best pct or does anyone know any better or cheaper products that will do the same and best place to get them from

Those are the type of things you need to have planned before you start your cycle.
I tried SD, put on around 10lbs, never lost a pound!
Check out the PCT section,.. theres all sorts of information, and yes, there are better PCTs. 6-oxo alone wouldnt be considered a PCT by some. Definately not with H-50 and D-bol.
You eating habbits will reflect gains no matter what your taking. This could explain why your previous cycle worked better, because all in all, you had to eat less.
Now, ya really have to learn to eat a maintence amount. Then, try and add a little weight naturally before you do another cycle. This is because you need to adjust your stomach, and eating habbits, to support your new muscle. There just is no sense in using anabolics for getting bigger, if your not willing/able to increase your calorie intake. Youll just shrink back down to match your food intake.

I just ran into this,.. thought you could check it out if nothing else. This is pretty impressive; This guy is doing his first cycle I beleive (SD), has support supps, did his research in the PCT section, asked for advice. More should do things this way.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...tml#post516310

hi i am taking other supplements to protect my body but i need to take something that will make me eat i am 5 6" and about 145lbs want to get up to about 170lbs my goal is to bench 100 kilo at the end of the year now benching 75kilo but struggling i am only really small framed so thats why i took bodybuilding up been training a year now nearly up 28lbs now and packed up smoking a year

Well, actually, you NEED to be taking a better look at your PCT, that is, if you plan on having kids one day, avoiding depression,.. gyno,.. to name a few things.

Eating more will take a little time. You said you had a small frame; I am guessing that your pretty thin too. You can cram food and it would be a while before would see any bodyfat.

For this ine, I really would suggest doing at least THIS aspect naturally, and not chemical assisted (eating).

Basicly, you need to eat, streatch your stomach some, so you can hold more food. Try eating more frequently, as opposed to having just larger meals. Your body ca nonly absorb soo much before it packs it as fat. Eating frequently, smaller portions will bump your metabolism up, making it s oyour stomach clears faster, allowing you to eat again.

Really, if you take something to make you eat, then what happens when you stop taking it? You really will not have addressed the "problem",. and you'll shrink again.
SOME hard work needs to go into this, diet is core.

yes your right again get sick of bunking chemicals down but im nearly 40 years of age and have 4 kids smoking hasnt helped in the past i know someone who was very small now he is 16stone but he uses jabs like sustanon and cyp which i wont inject being 40 has slowed down my testosterone levels my mates say im to old for bodybuilding but they all smoke