- 02-13-2006, 07:57 PM
- 02-13-2006, 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by NJLovehandles
02-13-2006, 08:21 PM
I posted in one of the other Halodrol threads my progress so far, but I'd like to add a little something to this thread too. It seems this thread gets more traffic from ppl interested in Halodrol. To the original poster, if you think I'm hijacking and want me to delete my comment just say so and I will have no problem doing so.
I've been reading that the Halodrol starts off slow and whatnot, but I am now on day 8 and I have gained 5lbs.
With the way my routine is setup, I work 1 muscle group a day. I started my Halodrol on a chest day and today was the 2nd day I worked my chest while being on Halodrol, and I put 10lbs on my bench and added an additional 2 reps from what I would normally do.
To me it seems like this has NOT taken off slow. But, if this truly IS slow then I cannot wait until i hit mid 2nd week and into 3rd week.
Also, I still have not experienced any side effects whatsoever, except for some bad gas which I can't say is related to the Halodrol.
Edit - Just like to add that I am stacking my Halodrol with Orastan E as well.
02-13-2006, 11:21 PM
What is your anabolic experience? what have yo used in the past if anything. If youhave not tried anything before, or have done little, then you might be "fresher" and get immediate gains. Also like I stated before, everyone will react differently. Also, maybe adding in the Ortan is synergistic with the Halo, and giving you quicker gains. DW, you got anything to add? Sorry I answered this before you!Originally Posted by jjm
02-14-2006, 12:43 AM
This is my first cycle of any pro-hormone/steroid. I did my research and the fact that Halodrol doesn't aromatise into estrogen and has little to no side effects stood out in my head, and I thought that this would be good for me to learn on.Originally Posted by swole210
I am very happy with the gains I have seen so far, as my goal for the whole entire cycle was to gain 5lbs, and I have already done that.
I'm really looking forward to around the end of my cycle to see what kind of gains the Halodrol will give me then.
02-14-2006, 11:57 AM
You start feeling something about 4 or 5 days in, it's not overwhelming at first, week 2 it's stronger. I would run it alone for the first cycle and save the stacking for the next cycle, that's what I'm doing anyhow.
I had a good night last night bench is up about 20 lbs, squat around 40. I have to say I am happy I'm going hard core with all compound movements. I read a lot of logs where the people are doing a lot of isolation and it's sometimes hard to get a feel for how much they are really progressing. I looked at my arm today (did a little flex) I can't remember if I've ever seen that much of a peak b4.
Oh and swole, I can see how you might have thought that about the buzz, when I have nothing to focus on I do feel a little disconnected. If it were not for the feeling of good energy I might think that's what it was.
02-14-2006, 12:44 PM
Do ya'll think its ok To take a NO2 supplement(blitz cycle) with Halodrol, cuz i still got about 2 weeks worth. 2nd day on Halodrol , going pretty good. still just a lil buzz feeling.
02-14-2006, 01:49 PM
I'd like to see what DreamWeaver's input is on this. My personal opinion.........I'd stop the NO product. I was taking a NO product before I started the H-50 cycle. I'm getting really awesome pumps from the Halodrol. I'm thinking the NO on top of that may be a little much, even to the point that you may get painful pumps.Originally Posted by WR04
It may not matter so much in the first week. My results have been very gradual but steady. After the first week is over is when things really seem to start happening. So my advice would be that if you still wanna use the Blitz Cycle.....I wouldn't go much past the first week of your H-50 cycle on it. You won't need it after then anyway.
02-14-2006, 02:14 PM
Bulldog good assessment, the pumps are already pretty strong I think the NO product might make things a little uncomfortable. You want to know where your results are coming from also. I see people doing all these crazy stacks and sometimes wonder 'how do they know what works?'. I know a great deal of the time it's people with a lot of anabolic experience and they know what there doing. When your starting out though you need to take it a step at a time. I will find out how something works for my body and then maybe expand.
By the way Jim your input is most welcome, not to worry about participating your experience into this thread.
02-14-2006, 04:34 PM
Save it for after the H-50! You don't need it right now. That way you have somethign to help you maintain or keep making gains afterwards!Originally Posted by WR04
02-14-2006, 09:51 PM
Is anyone else takin the orastan-E w/the cycle, and is it really necessary? i have the Novex for mid cycle but just wanted to know about the orastan-E.
02-15-2006, 12:41 PM
Like I said I will be using NHA and DHEA for PCT but another thing I'm thinking about now is bridging, I will not start my second cycle (maximus stack) untill later may (I'm going to wait the 90 days). I can just run my PCT and wait for a couple months and start my next cycle. I have ordered some PowerFull and Cissus I could do a cycle of this after my PCT. I could run NHA for an extra 4 weeks. I guess I will need to do some more reading. Any opinions here would be welcome. I have to make another order, turns out that Novedex only has 60 pills per bottle and the maximus stack recommends 2-3 a day for 2 weeks then 4 a day for 2 weeks which means 2 bottles, then why do they tell you, you only need one. I will either buy more NHA or more Powerfull and Cissus. I haven't made up my mind yet.
I have switched all my evening cardio sessions to interval training, 3 minutes low intensity 3 minutes high for 30 minutes, I like this cardio a lot better the time goes by quick and it kicks the crap out of you. I thought my lungs were going to explode, much more fun.
WR04 like I said, I would run it alone for the first cycle, save the Orastan for another cycle. You want to see how one reacts to you b4 adding the other. Just my opinion I'm no cycle expert.
02-15-2006, 03:31 PM
This question goes out to everyone. I originally bought 1 bottle of Novedex XT and 1 bottle of Anabolic Xtreme Rebound XT. I was going to try and sell the Rebound so I could get another bottle of Novedex XT, but do you think I would be ok using my 1 bottle of Rebound XT and my 1 bottle of Novedex XT instead of using 2 bottles of Novedex?Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
02-15-2006, 11:09 PM
^ Anyone?Originally Posted by jjm
Anyway, today was my 10th day on Halodrol/Orastan and I stepped on the scale and I weighed 177. So I've gained 7lbs in 10 days.
I added 10lbs and 2 reps to my military press, and throughout the rest of my shoulder workout I noticed I had a lot more stamina than I usually would. I was bangin out more reps and it felt easier than usual.
I can't wait until my upcoming back and leg days...
02-16-2006, 02:43 AM
I thought DHEA causes estrogen?? which would be a bad choice for pct... right?
just questioning.. i've just been reading a lot and don't know that much...
*btw..subscribes.. nice log.
02-16-2006, 02:44 AM
Not quite sure how DHEA would cause estrogen but... I don't think he was speaking of that being his sole component in PCT anyways.Originally Posted by shiby1510
02-16-2006, 12:36 PM
DHEA is good when your older and in this case I think it is a good choice. NHA is the key component of my PCT, I don't really think there will be much to recover from the boys are still big and brassy, my libido is slightly elevated where I would normally be at least partially shut down on something suppressive.
Workout was very good last night some strength increase was evident. I hear people talking about pumps, but because I'm not really doing any isolation I can't really say pumps are that out of the ordinary but I will say that I'm experiencing a lot of muscle hardness and it stays with me for long periods. My pumps used to be really kind of soft where I'd look more bloated.
What I'm really impressed with is my ability to melt fat and still put on muscle, I've experienced some of this in isolated situations but nothing like what I'm experiencing right now. I believe cycling this with a long slow cut would really show a metamorphosous in body composition. I am not on any schedule anymore (don't plan on competing) what I plan to do is to bridge the best I can to the next cycle and keep going with the slow cut. I think that I will be able to attain a better body composition than I have ever had. I am picturing 230 at 12%. Seems very doable.
Maintenance has always been a problem for me so I'm am devising a plan where I will be basically maintaining this style of eating ....forever. It's a pretty contreversial diet and I will divulge my results when I measure my success, so far the prognosis is very good. I will know more when I'm down another 20 lbs. Stay tuned this spring I may have some really good info.
Like I said earlier looking for some input on bridging, I feel that Activate, Cissus and Powerfull are good bridging products.
02-16-2006, 02:28 PM
DHEA via DR. D's protocol works wonders, esp. for Libido when you run ATD. Do a search, and if Dr. D suggests, its worth a try...
02-16-2006, 04:09 PM
Yes I remember reading that, he basically says that you have to take a lot of DHEA get supressed and that DHEA is a good Testostorone precuersor and will bounce you back faster. Sounds good to me. There are also some posts of good libido recovery while taking DHEA with ATD.
02-18-2006, 08:08 PM
Dynamite workout last night considering my training partner couldn't join me and I had no spotter. The weight really felt light and my reps and weight were up, but I bet they would have been up a little more with a spotter. I really feel as though I hammered it out.
The waist is definitely smaller this week and I weighed in a 259.5. I would normally be about 255 (probably lower) by now and there is a lot of visual evidence of gain. I estimate 6 or 7 lean lbs have been added. The gains are lean and dry. There is abolutely no negative sides the libido is in check and the boys are holding there own. I'm going to run the full 30 days and then Use NHA for 30 days, with the DHEA. I will then do a 30 day PowerFull, Cissus, camph, bridge, take a month off of the supps and then I will be ready for my Maximus Stack.
My goal is 230-235 12-14% bf. Nice and slow...that's how I'm gonna do it... nice and slow.
02-20-2006, 10:18 AM
Just wanted to comment on the libido, it has never dropped below normal, and there seems to be surges intermittently throughout the cycle. I'm on day 24 and for the last two days the libido is definitely elevated. It just doesn't seem that this stuff is very suppressive... if at all.
The fat continues to melt off with very little change in the scale. I only lost about 1.5 lbs in three weeks and there has been way more fat come off than that. I've lost well over an inch around my waist.
02-20-2006, 03:23 PM
Re: Halodrol Cycle - Into 2nd week now
Thought I'd share by Halodrol experiences with you.
This is my 1st cycle and I'm up to day 11 now.
After the 2nd day I noticed immediate strength gains and was able for example to gain 10kg on my bench.
My weight has also increased by about 10lbs over this period. Though I have to say I've been making sure I eat a helluva lot - so that's definitely got something to do with it.
Haven't noticed any fat falling off - but then I haven't got much to begin with. My problem tends to be putting it on not losing it.....;-)
Had a few off days. Had a cold for 3 days - so didn't train for 5 days - but came back with avengeance immediately after.
Also had to keep my routine of not training more than3-4 days a week - and still fairly short sessions typically 45 min. After all the body still has to recover.
But the results and the way I feel physically have been impressive.
Libido has been up (except for the days when I had the cold) - but not to the point of distraction (hell I've got to work)
Overall very positive.
In addition to the Halodrol I've been taking:
Milkthistle 3 x 900mg /day (for the liver)
glucosamine (for the joints)
Amino Fuel (to get the most from my diet.
Anyone got any thoughts on cycle length.
I was planning on a 15 day cycle with 45 days off but the directions in the packet suggest 30days and 3 months off.
Do you think running the 30 day cycle could have liver or other complications?
02-20-2006, 03:41 PM
I am doing 30, it doesn't seem to be supressive at all. I haven't noticed any negative side effects so far, I was expecting a drop in libido but it hasn't come yet, I'm still elevated on day 24.
02-20-2006, 04:11 PM
02-20-2006, 04:35 PM
Yes, I am on a calorie deficit and gaining muscle and losing fat the strength gains are very steady the body comp changes are more impressive.
I'm working hard, yes but it's so much easier to work hard when you see progress. I was getting nowhere b4 this cycle a combination of getting older and dieting. This cycle has given me the boost I needed. I should be back to my old self come late spring.
02-20-2006, 05:46 PM
Well here is the plan for PCT, comments are welcome and appreciated.
7am 1 lean Extreme
8am 1 activate
1 rebound fish oil and flax
100 mg DHEA
12pm 1 lean extreme
1pm 2 activate
1 rebound week one only fish oil and flax
50 mg DHEA
5pm 1 lean extreme training days
8pm 1 rebound with meal weeks 1-3
50 mg DHEA
10pm 1 lean extreme non training days
02-20-2006, 06:39 PM
i'm on day 8 right now, and already gained 7lbs in muscle, while still staying lean. i'm excited to keep gaining size and strength.
02-20-2006, 06:55 PM
02-21-2006, 12:06 AM
Ditto on day 8! So foar the fat seems to be falling off a lil easier, and strength is up slightly. Not bad for a cut.
02-21-2006, 12:27 AM
Looks like you are well on your way DW, and have the right plan of attack!! Great job brotha, keep it up!Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
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