- 02-20-2006, 08:18 AM
Just wanted to comment on the libido, it has never dropped below normal, and there seems to be surges intermittently throughout the cycle. I'm on day 24 and for the last two days the libido is definitely elevated. It just doesn't seem that this stuff is very suppressive... if at all.
The fat continues to melt off with very little change in the scale. I only lost about 1.5 lbs in three weeks and there has been way more fat come off than that. I've lost well over an inch around my waist.
- 02-20-2006, 01:23 PM
Re: Halodrol Cycle - Into 2nd week now
Thought I'd share by Halodrol experiences with you.
This is my 1st cycle and I'm up to day 11 now.
After the 2nd day I noticed immediate strength gains and was able for example to gain 10kg on my bench.
My weight has also increased by about 10lbs over this period. Though I have to say I've been making sure I eat a helluva lot - so that's definitely got something to do with it.
Haven't noticed any fat falling off - but then I haven't got much to begin with. My problem tends to be putting it on not losing it.....;-)
Had a few off days. Had a cold for 3 days - so didn't train for 5 days - but came back with avengeance immediately after.
Also had to keep my routine of not training more than3-4 days a week - and still fairly short sessions typically 45 min. After all the body still has to recover.
But the results and the way I feel physically have been impressive.
Libido has been up (except for the days when I had the cold) - but not to the point of distraction (hell I've got to work)
Overall very positive.
In addition to the Halodrol I've been taking:
Milkthistle 3 x 900mg /day (for the liver)
glucosamine (for the joints)
Amino Fuel (to get the most from my diet.
Anyone got any thoughts on cycle length.
I was planning on a 15 day cycle with 45 days off but the directions in the packet suggest 30days and 3 months off.
Do you think running the 30 day cycle could have liver or other complications?
- 02-20-2006, 01:41 PM
I am doing 30, it doesn't seem to be supressive at all. I haven't noticed any negative side effects so far, I was expecting a drop in libido but it hasn't come yet, I'm still elevated on day 24.
02-20-2006, 02:11 PM
sounds good ;-)
have you also noticed continuing strength/size gains?
02-20-2006, 02:35 PM
Yes, I am on a calorie deficit and gaining muscle and losing fat the strength gains are very steady the body comp changes are more impressive.
I'm working hard, yes but it's so much easier to work hard when you see progress. I was getting nowhere b4 this cycle a combination of getting older and dieting. This cycle has given me the boost I needed. I should be back to my old self come late spring.
02-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Well here is the plan for PCT, comments are welcome and appreciated.
7am 1 lean Extreme
8am 1 activate
1 rebound fish oil and flax
100 mg DHEA
12pm 1 lean extreme
1pm 2 activate
1 rebound week one only fish oil and flax
50 mg DHEA
5pm 1 lean extreme training days
8pm 1 rebound with meal weeks 1-3
50 mg DHEA
10pm 1 lean extreme non training days
02-20-2006, 04:39 PM
i'm on day 8 right now, and already gained 7lbs in muscle, while still staying lean. i'm excited to keep gaining size and strength.
02-20-2006, 04:55 PM
Maybe by my next cycle I'll be ready for an extreme lean bulker.
02-20-2006, 10:06 PM
Ditto on day 8! So foar the fat seems to be falling off a lil easier, and strength is up slightly. Not bad for a cut.
02-20-2006, 10:27 PM
Looks like you are well on your way DW, and have the right plan of attack!! Great job brotha, keep it up!Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
02-21-2006, 08:33 AM
Thanks swole, yah I like to keep my ducks in a row, always planning.
02-22-2006, 12:30 AM
anyone running anything like perferct cycle with H 50 ?
02-22-2006, 06:22 AM
02-22-2006, 10:35 AM
Dynamite workout, squats are up 40 – 50 lbs and bench 30 – 40 since the cycle started. Standing barbell shoulder press is up about 20 from last week. Tbar rows were way up from last week as well. I am completely wasted after the pounding I put myself through last night. Now this routine is designed for progression but I would not be able to make these kinds of gains under normal circumstances especially while dieting. I wouldn’t even consider this kind of training taking into account my current nutrient intake. I just had to try something out of the ordinary because I wanted to know what the supp would do for me under extreme circumstances. Yes I know I’m a just a tad insane… I’m in the right place, I feel right at home.
Day 26 and my libido is elevated, I find that the libido is going from normal to high, very high in the first week with periodic spikes. No sign of anything suppressive. My body is very weary I believe that is due to the fact that I’m working my ass off on a calorie deficit.
02-22-2006, 11:49 AM
Sounds like you've made some great progress DW
I totally agree on the libido....I'm experiencing the same.
It's really impressive that you are able to make the gains you have while on a caloric deficient diet. You can definitely tell the stuff is working that way.
02-22-2006, 01:42 PM
Yes I agree, the fact that I am dieting makes the progress all the more impressive. This is the best way to diet, I hate when I lose strength and energy while dieting.
02-22-2006, 06:20 PM
I'm with you guys! Day Day 11 today. Pulled my neck a bit so I went easy on my arms, and did half hour of cardio. I havent felt too much in regars to strength yet, but I am maintinaing strength while cutting, which is something I could never do in the past. Hoping some strength comes in the next week. Good luck guys.
02-22-2006, 07:57 PM
Have any of u guys noticed any blood press. increase from the H, I may run it instead of superdrol,the super made my BP go up quite a bit, great log.....
02-22-2006, 11:59 PM
what made you decide using a different pct than novedex xt?
.. just curious...
02-23-2006, 12:11 AM
Have you been running any of those during your cycle as well or just as PCT? and when do you plan on starting your doses .. such as when there is 1 week left in your cycle or?Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
02-23-2006, 08:53 AM
To answer the first question I already had the NHA stuff on hand and I know swole had good success with it.
I am going to start running it after my cycle, I have not seen any reason to do otherwise I will run my next cycle "Maximus Stack" exactly as perscribed 1) I am stacking with Orastan E and 2) want to see if it makes a difference.
I have not noticed any negative sides at all, no issues with blood preasure libido or anything.
02-23-2006, 03:30 PM
Has anyone felt any joint pain? Thats the only side I am feeling. Once again I am using the second batch, this should be noted since everybody is saying how it may much dif. from the first batch.
02-23-2006, 03:34 PM
Joint pain is a side effect from lifting, I am not noticing anything out of the ordinary, I am lifting more so you the joints are taking a bit of a beating.
The experiences on both batches seem pretty similar to me, I wouldn't worry too much.
02-23-2006, 04:10 PM
I can add to the joint pain. I am 21 days into my H50/Prostan cycle and my joints are really starting to get to me. I have read that the Prostan could be causing this but man am I creaky in the morning and I lift at 6:30am so that isn't good at all! I'm dosing at 50mg H50 and 75mg Prostan and I am also adding in a cap of Rebound a day now that I am getting near the final week. I never really noticed the crazy strength gains but I am eating just at maintenance. However, I have added 7lbs to the scale and dropped roughly 4lbs of body fat according to my calipers...which can be tricky to get a good reading from. The mirror says I have leaned out quite a bit and I am absolutely more vascular but that is probably the Prostan. I will be using Albuterol in my PCT so I am really looking forward to maybe dropping a bit more bodyfat and HOPEFULLY keep the new lean gains from this cycle. Anyway, just thought I would chime in.
BTW, just in the last day or two I have had some back pump issues but they are very minor. I had MAJOR back pumps on a PheraPlex cycle so this time I was a bit more prepared for them. So far they are easy to deal with.
02-23-2006, 05:32 PM
So overall do you guys think there are major differences between the first and second batch?
02-23-2006, 05:57 PM
Hey DreamWeaver.....whats the batch # on your H-50??
Mine is 82407 exp 10 - 2007
Based on what BK said in another post.....mine should be the "first" batch. Just want to confirm that.
As far as differences go from batch to batch.....it sounds like DW and I are getting VERY similar results.....and I believe he is using the "second" batch.
Regarding joint pain.....how many of you use Glucosamine? I take Glucosamine/Chondroitin supp 2x per day as directed on the label. I've always had joint pain.....bad knees from lifting/wrestling and totalled F'ed up ankle due to a serious fracture (3 surgeries and counting). Anyway, I've been on the Gluco/Chon for a while now (I think it takes about 6 weeks to really start working) and I think it helps quite a bit.
You HAVE to stick with it though. In the past I would buy a big bottle of Gluco.....and take it til it was gone....which was right at about 6 weeks worth. Then I wouldn't bother taking my lazy ass to the store to buy more. Well this time....I went through my first bottle and am now on my second. I totally think it's helping quite a bit. You guys may wanna give it a try if you're not already.
And if all else fails.....I always have the percocet the doc prescribes for my ankle.....that'll pretty much take just about any pain away, lol
02-23-2006, 05:58 PM
We seem to be having similar experiences, so I don't think they could be that different.
By the way down 4% and up 7 lbs, pretty good gains.
02-23-2006, 06:00 PM
I will check mine 2nite when I get home, I think it's supposed to be the second batch.Originally Posted by *Bulldog*
02-23-2006, 07:01 PM
Yeah bulldog, your's is the first batch. I forgot the lot # for the second batch(BK had it posted). As for the joint pain, I got none. I really think it is the prostan, as that would tend to dry your joints out. SD was HARD on my joints, man I thought there was something wrong with me at one point! I think DW is taking the second batch if I remember correctly, but he allready said he is going to get back to us. Seems like you are getting pretty much the same type of results as DW.Originally Posted by *Bulldog*
02-23-2006, 07:05 PM
WOOPS! Sorry Bulldog, the proatan /joint part was for jdahlum! By the way, stating your what you did as far as gains, that is very impressive physical changes that you would definately be able to see! GOOD JOB!Originally Posted by swole210
02-23-2006, 07:10 PM
Hey DW, whats up bro! Just wanted to let you in a little bit of info I just read here somewhere, bout taking the ActivaTE. Seems the right way to take it, would be the second week of taking your Rebound! Makes perfect sense though, as ActivaTE frees up your bound natty test, so if you were to give Rebound and the DHEA a couple of weeks to boost that natty test level up, then you would have a lot more test to free up! I think it was Dr.D who stated this, can't remember what thread it was on though, i will try and find it though. Anywho, I thought I would give you this info, as it seems it will make for a better pct!
02-23-2006, 07:15 PM
Thanks for the info on the batch #'s Swole. I thought I had it right....and you just confirmed it.
02-24-2006, 10:05 AM
Oops looks like I have the old batch as well, sorry I didn’t mean to be misleading but I ordered mine in late January and I assumed that would have been the second batch. I guess I got the last of the first instead.
Looks like all this time I’ve been using steroids!! Lol
Another above average workout, this is the best diet ever. I weighed in at 159 this morning, so lets do some final assumptions. I lost nearly 2 inches around my waist, which means at least 10 lbs fat loss, I only went down 2 lbs on the scales. So I estimate that I have lost 10 lbs of fat and gained 8 lbs of muscle in the last 4 weeks. It may be a little less but the results are very close to that.
Thanks swole for the tip on the PCT so start Activate in week 3 and keep it going into week 5 and 6 after the DHEA and Rebound are depleted ? Let me know.
02-24-2006, 10:32 AM
Thought I would update you on the back pumps. I must be really prone to them or something because as of last night they have gotten really bad. Enough to make me consider stopping the cycle a week early. I had these pretty bad on my last PP cycle and so far these are getting every bit as bad as those did. What is the deal with these things!?!? They just freakin' throb and by nighttime they are really tough.
Just thought I would add that as I have not really seen other people complain about this with Halodrol. Do you guys think it could be the Prostan? Don't mean to hijack the thread so disregard this if it gets in the way.
02-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Re: Halodrol Cycle - Joint Pain
I also recommend using Glucosamine.
Stiff joints has always been my problem. Lifting heavier weights definitely puts more strain on the joints - but 2 x 15ml glucosamine syrup /day means I haven't felt it.
02-24-2006, 10:58 AM
I'm on 75mg's of Prost (Orastan-E.....which is exactly the same thing) per day with my H50 and I'm not experiencing any back pumps at all. Maybe you're just hypersensitive to this type of effect?? How much do you weigh also? I'm pretty big.....about 238lbs......so that could have something to do with it too. It could be a mg/body weight ratio thing too as to why you're having them and I'm not?? Don't know....just a few random thoughts. Listen to your body though brother......if anything gets too painful it may be a wise decision to lay off things for a while. Good luck to ya manOriginally Posted by jdahlum
02-24-2006, 12:50 PM
Thanks for the info Bulldog. I am sitting at about 205 right now so I am quite a bit smaller than you. I'm getting there man Where in Virginia are you? I'm out near Leesburg in Northern Virginia and I lift at the Golds in Ashburn. Just wondering.
I decided to pop two Advil and see if it would help. In general, I don't like to take pain killers especially while on cycle because of the possible kidney/liver toxicity issues combined with the methyl. The good thing is it has nearly eliminated the pain! If I can get by with doing this every couple days then I am going to try to stick out to the end. Only 8 more days anyway! Other than this issue and the odd creaky joint....I'm enjoying this cycle.
02-24-2006, 02:15 PM
Hey bro....I'm south of you. I live down in Richmond. My wife is from your area though. She's from Fairfax (Burke)......her family still lives up there. We get up to see them every now and then.
Glad to hear the Advil helped you out. I think you should be fine with that. SHouldn't be quite as hard on the liver as say Tylenol would. Give the Glucosamine a try too for the creaky joints.......but you gotta give that time to work......several weeks at least.
With you being 205lbs.....I doubt it's a mg/body weight thing going on with the Prostz. Incidentally.....how many mg's per day are you taking? And you're probably not THAT much smaller than me brother.....I got some "old guy" body fat that I could stand to lose, lol. All thanks to a little too much of this => <= before I got back into the serious lifting again.
Sorry to get off topic in your thread DreamWeaver......and just to get back on track again........now that you mention the batch of H-50 that you're on, NO WONDER we're getting very similar results, lol. Makes a LOT of sense now.
02-24-2006, 03:25 PM
Yah, but who's to say I wouldn't have on the second batch, I will be paying close attention to people's results on the second b4 I buy more.
02-24-2006, 04:21 PM
Yep , that would be correct....except, that you might want to run the Rebound at a low dose ( I would say 1 pill at bed time) until the ActivaTe is done, because suppsoedely it can be a little bit suppressive on its own, since it will give you higher than normal free test in your body, which inturn might signal your body to slow down production. Hope this clears it up a bit for you. By the way, thos are very impresssive quality gains!!Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
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