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  1. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Ok fine, you win the whole internet Rodja.

    It still doesn't make any sense at all to tell a guy struggling to hit his macros to skip meals but you can be the winner. All while you time your nutrients and keep the aminos flowing against the best advice of modern research.
    Where did I tell the OP to skip meals and where is this "modern research?"
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Because steak is delicious.

    When I want bulking advice from a 146 lb dude, I'll ask for it. I don't know anybody with any appreciable mass that eats 1 or less gram of protein per pound of bodyweight.

    Speaking of studies, every study I've read showing proteins effect on building mass doesn't come close to mimicing the effort bodybuilding requires in the gym.

    When you break the buck fifty club with all this nonsense, let me know.

    "Yeah, but I'm short..." Still small.

    Maybe this website is not quite the collection of anabolic minds as it seems, yuppie minds sounds more accurate after this thread.
    Lol post up your totals, real please and vids if possible...if I am lb for lb stronger than you maybe you will learn the difference between training for aesthetics and size, and training for strength and powerlifting. Anyhow, I am still waiting for your research and articles proving me wrong, when you post them and prove me wrong (if possible, on this matter I mean) then come to me with your higher than thou attitude...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Lol post up your totals, real please and vids if possible...if I am lb for lb stronger than you maybe you will learn the difference between training for aesthetics and size, and training for strength and powerlifting. Anyhow, I am still waiting for your research and articles proving me wrong, when you post them and prove me wrong (if possible, on this matter I mean) then come to me with your higher than thou attitude...
    I don't give a piss about your ratios. My lifts are in my profile and no, I won't go to the trouble of planning out max lifts on film for you, sorry. And in B4 "you're probably BSing then"... I realize that gives you room to win some of the internets from Rodja in your mind.

    This has turned in to a weird pissing contest though, with two dudes who should seem to know better than to discount methodologies that have been building impressive physiques and aiding strength athletes for decades.

    Anyways, here is a link to an article by Dr. John Berardi, I assume you've heard of him. If not, you can learn about him on the site.

    No, this is not a peer reviewed study straight out of pubmed, but if you can read an article on the merits of high protein intake from an author much more accomplished and knowledgeable than you with an open mind, you might learn something. Remove the unnecessary spacing.

    Well, AM says I have to have 150 posts before I can post links. Google "precision nutrition limit protein to 20 grams per meal?" Or I can try PMing the link if you aren't just being a smartass know it all.

    Interestingly, it touches on a handful of talking points in this thread.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    I don't give a piss about your ratios. My lifts are in my profile and no, I won't go to the trouble of planning out max lifts on film for you, sorry. And in B4 "you're probably BSing then"... I realize that gives you room to win some of the internets from Rodja in your mind.

    This has turned in to a weird pissing contest though, with two dudes who should seem to know better than to discount methodologies that have been building impressive physiques and aiding strength athletes for decades.

    Anyways, here is a link to an article by Dr. John Berardi, I assume you've heard of him. If not, you can learn about him on the site.

    No, this is not a peer reviewed study straight out of pubmed, but if you can read an article on the merits of high protein intake from an author much more accomplished and knowledgeable than you with an open mind, you might learn something. Remove the unnecessary spacing.

    Well, AM says I have to have 150 posts before I can post links. Google "precision nutrition limit protein to 20 grams per meal?" Or I can try PMing the link if you aren't just being a smartass know it all.

    Interestingly, it touches on a handful of talking points in this thread.
    You started it with the know it all attitude, and brought no real studies to the table. I'll read the article don't worry, for now just know that you come here trying to bash something we respect here in AM...SCIENCE. Say what you want about me, in the end Idc at all, but dude...messing with Rodja, who does nothing but help people? Who actually brings articles to the table, who has a career on this and who is a competitive power lifter? Bro you are kinda out of line. I don't doubt you are a someone in your community, but if you wanna be someone here at least just post up some articles and real science before doing blatant claims...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    You started it with the know it all attitude, and brought no real studies to the table. I'll read the article don't worry, for now just know that you come here trying to bash something we respect here in AM...SCIENCE. Say what you want about me, in the end Idc at all, but dude...messing with Rodja, who does nothing but help people? Who actually brings articles to the table, who has a career on this and who is a competitive power lifter? Bro you are kinda out of line. I don't doubt you are a someone in your community, but if you wanna be someone here at least just post up some articles and real science before doing blatant claims...
    I've said from the beginning IF works, though I doubt its dominance. You have been denying essentially every lifting accomplishment achieved outside of a lifter utilizing IF protocols for peer reviewed science, which I did post.

    Rodja came out of left field, off topic and pretty well self contradictory. His own diet utilizes nutrient timing and a steady stream of aminos and he spent two pages tellimg me diets based on nutrient timing are inferior because he doesn't feel enough peer reviewed studies exist to legitimize them.

    I'm not going to kowtow bull**** to fit in to a forum. I will read, post and take legitimately helpful advice and insight to heart though.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    I've said from the beginning IF works, though I doubt its dominance. You have been denying essentially every lifting accomplishment achieved outside of a lifter utilizing IF protocols for peer reviewed science, which I did post.Rodja came out of left field, off topic and pretty well self contradictory. His own diet utilizes nutrient timing and a steady stream of aminos and he spent two pages tellimg me diets based on nutrient timing are inferior because he doesn't feel enough peer reviewed studies exist to legitimize them.I'm not going to kowtow bull**** to fit in to a forum. I will read, post and take legitimately helpful advice and insight to heart though.
    Funny how you somehow inferred my dietary protocol out of all of this as you obviously have ZERO clue as to how I actually eat for my goals. You have been spouting off about how the science supports your position, but have yet to produce a single article showing such. Your etiolated attempts to straw man my position are entirely asinine as you have failed miserably to understand my entire premise that meal frequency has an insignificant impact upon metabolism.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Yeah well in that case IF is the fast track to fata$$!

    As I said a few times, I don't discount the research or anecdotal evidence that IF can help people achieve physiques they want, I'm also not going to discount time tested methods. As far as research is concerned, there is basically all of bodybuilding prior to 2010 or so. Call it dogma but sitting down and eating 300 grams of protein in one meal won't have the same effect as eating the same amount over 5-6 meals. Most of it would just turn to poo. But nutrient absorption is another topic so we can't talk about that even though many facets tie in together where nutrition and physiques are concerned.


    Speaking of anecdotal, how many fad diets with purported research have turned belly up? Oodles. I have high hopes for IF but as mentioned, at best it will find it's permanent resting place among a smattering of other tried and true diets as time moves on. Plus it totally utilizes nutrient timing and a constant barrage of aminos so I'm still not sure what all the fuss is about. Or how it pertains to the OP.
    I do IF, I eat it all in 2 meals a day and I poop way less than when I made 6 meals a day. N=1, but don't see how my "nutrient" absorption has gone down.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Yeah well in that case IF is the fast track to fata$$!

    As I said a few times, I don't discount the research or anecdotal evidence that IF can help people achieve physiques they want, I'm also not going to discount time tested methods. As far as research is concerned, there is basically all of bodybuilding prior to 2010 or so. Call it dogma but sitting down and eating 300 grams of protein in one meal won't have the same effect as eating the same amount over 5-6 meals. Most of it would just turn to poo. But nutrient absorption is another topic so we can't talk about that even though many facets tie in together where nutrition and physiques are concerned.


    Speaking of anecdotal, how many fad diets with purported research have turned belly up? Oodles. I have high hopes for IF but as mentioned, at best it will find it's permanent resting place among a smattering of other tried and true diets as time moves on. Plus it totally utilizes nutrient timing and a constant barrage of aminos so I'm still not sure what all the fuss is about. Or how it pertains to the OP.
    You misinterpret my post; bodybuilding in of itself and the practices taught within the pro community, particulary those referenced inb BB magizines are by no means legitimate sources for you to base your diet off; how can you be certain that they actually practice what they preach? And, had they known about IF or that meal frequency is of no concern, would there results reflect this new approach? Yes, of course 6 meals/ day with a steady stream of aminos works, simply because they are reaching their macronutrient goals. But that is not a means to an end.

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    Finally caught up and what a debate!

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Looks like I missed all the fun
    Pretty much.
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  12. facepalm* you need breakfast its important so you dont go in a catabolic state im shocked by all answers this every 2 hours eating is so you can fuel your body but if you have problem getting meals just keep trying i had same and i got used to it in end

  13. Quote Originally Posted by meathead249
    facepalm* you need breakfast its important so you dont go in a catabolic state im shocked by all answers this every 2 hours eating is so you can fuel your body but if you have problem getting meals just keep trying i had same and i got used to it in end
    Did you not read some of the above posts that specify studies showing some of these old myths are just that! Have you ever heard of lean gains style dieting or the warrior diet?? I might suggest not being so close minded as there area my ways people diet that all seem to work.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000

    Did you not read some of the above posts that specify studies showing some of these old myths are just that! Have you ever heard of lean gains style dieting or the warrior diet?? I might suggest not being so close minded as there area my ways people diet that all seem to work.
    *many ways people diet that all seem to work. Damn auto correct lol

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Did you not read some of the above posts that specify studies showing some of these old myths are just that! Have you ever heard of lean gains style dieting or the warrior diet?? I might suggest not being so close minded as there area my ways people diet that all seem to work.
    That whole conversation was off topic though. What became a multi-thread argument was basically that yes, various diets work in their own unique ways. No one was actually disagreeing, well, not in the end. A few from the leangains camp initially put all other diets on the defensive as if leangains is some magic wonder diet like all the rest before it and the diets to come after were and will be purported. We then went down a few tangents that pulled the conversation even further from the issue at hand and spread the argument out in to a largely incoherent mishmash of misapplied ideologies across the boards.

    The real, initial problem was people were arguing X diet vs. Y diet on X diets terms.

    The OP has a diet of some sort. It requires an intake of macronutrients that he was having trouble downing in a given day. Someone inferred that it would be ok if he just skipped breakfast, which effectively applied X diet methodologies to Y diet application. This is just stupid and in the actual context the studies are useless. They don't apply.

    Low Fat/High Carb diets work too if utilized correctly. So do Low Carb/High Fat diets. You sure as **** wouldn't recommend a guy on a low carb diet to eat pasta and rice three or four times a day along with his official diet plan. All the studies showing a high carb diet (comparatively) would benefit from this carb intake would support his pasta but we can deduce that the incorrect application is irrelevent.

    Same difference in this thread. If you're having trouble getting a 650 calorie meal down, good luck just waiting a few hours and scarfing 1,300 calories to make up for it, especially when your diet may very well be designed to take advantage of nutrient timing and macro ratio benefits drawing from a TEF scale.

  16. all i saw was someone say skip breakfast but sounded like it got out of hand i agree some types of diets work for diffrent poeple i guess it what poeples goals are to everybody elses

  17. I never eat breakfast, skipping breakfast DOES NOT mean you become catabolic
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  18. agreed with tech. I think breakfast should be treated as any other meal. if I miss lunch, my body doesn't become catabolic
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy

    That whole conversation was off topic though. What became a multi-thread argument was basically that yes, various diets work in their own unique ways. No one was actually disagreeing, well, not in the end. A few from the leangains camp initially put all other diets on the defensive as if leangains is some magic wonder diet like all the rest before it and the diets to come after were and will be purported. We then went down a few tangents that pulled the conversation even further from the issue at hand and spread the argument out in to a largely incoherent mishmash of misapplied ideologies across the boards.

    The real, initial problem was people were arguing X diet vs. Y diet on X diets terms.

    The OP has a diet of some sort. It requires an intake of macronutrients that he was having trouble downing in a given day. Someone inferred that it would be ok if he just skipped breakfast, which effectively applied X diet methodologies to Y diet application. This is just stupid and in the actual context the studies are useless. They don't apply.

    Low Fat/High Carb diets work too if utilized correctly. So do Low Carb/High Fat diets. You sure as **** wouldn't recommend a guy on a low carb diet to eat pasta and rice three or four times a day along with his official diet plan. All the studies showing a high carb diet (comparatively) would benefit from this carb intake would support his pasta but we can deduce that the incorrect application is irrelevent.

    Same difference in this thread. If you're having trouble getting a 650 calorie meal down, good luck just waiting a few hours and scarfing 1,300 calories to make up for it, especially when your diet may very well be designed to take advantage of nutrient timing and macro ratio benefits drawing from a TEF scale.
    Yes and while I do agree with some thing both parties rambled on about if you look at the post I was replying to the guy said breakfast is a must or you go catabolic.... The reason I brought lean gains and the warrior diet into the conversation was to point out that people don't need to have breakfast, or lunch for that matter. Do you think that people go catabolic after an 8 hour fast? If this was the case then these fasting diets would not be so popular and people wouldn't get the results that they get. Fasting type diets are not for me due to my work schedule but I do utilize the fasted training side of it. Does that mean im catabolic on a daily basis? No. All I was saying is that he should be a bit more open minded as a lot of different methods work. Different strokes for different folks

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Yes and while I do agree with some thing both parties rambled on about if you look at the post I was replying to the guy said breakfast is a must or you go catabolic.... The reason I brought lean gains and the warrior diet into the conversation was to point out that people don't need to have breakfast, or lunch for that matter. Do you think that people go catabolic after an 8 hour fast? If this was the case then these fasting diets would not be so popular and people wouldn't get the results that they get. Fasting type diets are not for me due to my work schedule but I do utilize the fasted training side of it. Does that mean im catabolic on a daily basis? No. All I was saying is that he should be a bit more open minded as a lot of different methods work. Different strokes for different folks
    And as a stand alone opinion yours is fine. Let's not confuse X and Y again is what I'm saying. And catabolism isn't all or nothing. Unless you're running lab panels daily you have no idea if you're catabolic or not. You make up for it later but may be running at 70% efficiency + or - 30 for all you know. I'll take my sure bet on anabolism personally but alas, to each his own. Just food for thought. Not interested in arguing X against Y on Y's premise again. Plus I almost forgot about the recommended bcaa and whey supplementation anyways. A rose by another name...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy
    And as a stand alone opinion yours is fine. Let's not confuse X and Y again is what I'm saying. And catabolism isn't all or nothing. Unless you're running lab panels daily you have no idea if you're catabolic or not. You make up for it later but may be running at 70% efficiency + or - 30 for all you know. I'll take my sure bet on anabolism personally but alas, to each his own. Just food for thought. Not interested in arguing X against Y on Y's premise again. Plus I almost forgot about the recommended bcaa and whey supplementation anyways. A rose by another name...
    Im not confusing x and y again I was simply stating that you won't go into a catabolic state after fasting for 8 hours or 10 hour or even 20 hours.... I'm not saying anything about x or y diet types I'm saying that just because he's been told to follow x type dieting doesn't mean it's the only way to do things.
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    There are recent studies showing protein specifically in two to three hour feedings is advantageous to the bodybuilder.

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    There are recent studies showing protein specifically in two to three hour feedings is advantageous to the bodybuilder.

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