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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    That's interesting. And I've heard that you should ease into the cardio as well to avoid raising your cortisol. I've read that you should start with a max of 2 sessions per week, then work your way up every couple weeks, while simultaneously decreasing calories. I'm definitely not an expert tho.
    It's all per person with cardio, I've heard of people staying with the same macros for 10 weeks and only adjusting cardio (ala Dorian Yates)

    Some macros stay the same and just change carb/fat ratios.

    You're not trying to lose 5lbs/week. It's 1-2lbs, that's a subtle difference each week and in the end will be 20-30lbs (plus water in peak week closer to 45-50)
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  2. Also i missed it the first time but are you taking eca and yohimbine same day? The receptors that yohimbine work on down regulate so its best to rotate back and forth with eca. 3 days with one 3 days with the other. What I did was only take yohimbine during times of fasted cardio and when I wouldn't be eating carbs. Yohimbine increases the amount insulin your body creates in response to carbs and protein. That why If your taking and eating its not worth taking. All you r getting extra anxiety.
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  3. Great points guys! Thanks for your input that's why I'm doing this . I see what your saying with already cutting macros, problem is the scale just isnt really budging like it should be and I am more than comfortable with the amount of food I am eating right now. I will see how this week goes with 2450 calories again and that addition cardio session (as a personal thing I'd rather increase cardio rather than decrease food intake, so your right). The OxyECA I take everyday now taking 2 and the yohimbine only pre-cardio is rotating like that really necessary? I am talking about OxyECA the over the counter fat burner not the ECA your thinking of. So far I'm happy with the way things are going the true test will be when I'm back at school! Thanks again everyone I will update next week with my 18 weeks out update.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water

    It's all per person with cardio, I've heard of people staying with the same macros for 10 weeks and only adjusting cardio (ala Dorian Yates)

    Some macros stay the same and just change carb/fat ratios.

    You're not trying to lose 5lbs/week. It's 1-2lbs, that's a subtle difference each week and in the end will be 20-30lbs (plus water in peak week closer to 45-50)
    Oh okay. And what about the type of cardio? My understanding is that HIIT is not only the quickest way to lose fat, but it spares muscle, and raises cortisol less than other kinds. So why not do HIIT every time? Or am I incorrect?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Oh okay. And what about the type of cardio? My understanding is that HIIT is not only the quickest way to lose fat, but it spares muscle, and raises cortisol less than other kinds. So why not do HIIT every time? Or am I incorrect?
    I don't like HIIT cardio. However, others love it.

    For myself, I don't recover very well with it and I HATE running. LISS is my cardio of choice.

    It's a tried and true method of cardio (LISS) but is it the best? Juries still out, that's for you to decide. Sorry, my answer wasn't very clear.
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  6. I love hiit cardio. I mean it sucks. But for me nothing burns fat quicker. Liis cardio makes my legs shrinks. Hiit actually makes them look much better. But man it's hell. I think it needs to be approache more like a resistance wo in regards to nutrition. Liis is about the energy burned while doing it. Hiit keeps your body expending energy recovering from it.

  7. Okay I gotcha. Once I did HIIT... there was no going back for me. It takes less time, and I feel motivated because I'm going so hard. Going slow for a long time drives me crazy. And what are your thoughts on using ostarine during a cut to preserve muscle? I'm sure it isn't as effective as test, but you think it could still make a big difference compared to natural?

  8. Hey guys! Just to update quickly today I took 2 doses of OxyECA (1am,1pm) and 6mg yohimbine before my cardio today. Anxiety was through the roof and felt shaky all day. Going back to 1 OxyECA in the morning and 3mg yohimbine before cardio. Thought my tolerance was ready for higher doses but guess not, lesson learned. Back on the grind! And I prefer LISS but HIIT is what I need to incorporate at least once a week now, I will switch some LISS sessions with HIIT as weeks go by!

  9. What is oxy eca? Bronk aid and primatene are like under ten bucks a pack and are real ephedrine. Not ephedra. Yeah feeling shaky sucks. I learned that anything that doesn't help me feel stronger or makes me feel weak isn't worth taking. Dieting already hurts my strength enough as it is. Yohimbine and eca are two i can tolerate and still maintain intensity.

  10. @ pistol, I've never heard of osterine. I've been off sauce for about year and half. I do supplement with daa about every other month. And for an amino acid it's pretty impressive. I def notice a better libido and strength.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kmh23 View Post
    @ pistol, I've never heard of osterine. I've been off sauce for about year and half. I do supplement with daa about every other month. And for an amino acid it's pretty impressive. I def notice a better libido and strength.
    Oh. You gotta look it up man. Its good stuff. I'm running a bulking log on it right now, and its going great. Weight and strength are going up every week. It was designed to stop muscle wasting in people with cancer and aids, so its supposed to be better for cutting than bulking. Its similar to anavar in many ways, but its waaayyy cheaper. I was just wondering if anybody knew how well it preserves muscle compared to AAS.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by pistol345 View Post

    Oh. You gotta look it up man. Its good stuff. I'm running a bulking log on it right now, and its going great. Weight and strength are going up every week. It was designed to stop muscle wasting in people with cancer and aids, so its supposed to be better for cutting than bulking. Its similar to anavar in many ways, but its waaayyy cheaper. I was just wondering if anybody knew how well it preserves muscle compared to AAS.
    Well the IC deal just passed but for a natural supp, look into Versa-1 from USPlabs. I've never taken Osterine but presumably Versa-1 is probably safer than Osterine. Logs speak for themselves, I can get you some links to logs to check out. Would be very valuable in PCT
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  13. Is osterine a peptide? I do remember is brefiely being talked about on pro m. But I never looked into it. I never messed with peps. Knew that I was no where near advanced enough. Plus the cost. I mean I love this **** its just so expensive. If I wa gonna cross the line again it would be just plain old test/Anavar and aromasin.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by kmh23
    Is osterine a peptide? I do remember is brefiely being talked about on pro m. But I never looked into it. I never messed with peps. Knew that I was no where near advanced enough. Plus the cost. I mean I love this **** its just so expensive. If I wa gonna cross the line again it would be just plain old test/Anavar and aromasin.
    Nah. Its a SARM. No side effects except natural test suppression. Won't shut you down, but can lower your test production. I've been running it for 4 weeks with triazole for the last 2, and I feel great. I'm at a high dosage too, so I can swear by the lack of side effects. Its a new drug tho, so nobody knows what will happen with chronic use for a decade or anything.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water

    Well the IC deal just passed but for a natural supp, look into Versa-1 from USPlabs. I've never taken Osterine but presumably Versa-1 is probably safer than Osterine. Logs speak for themselves, I can get you some links to logs to check out. Would be very valuable in PCT
    Cool. If u wanna send me some links, cool, if not... I'll find em anyways. Haha. I'm quite the researcher

  16. What's the current body fat of the op? If you are cutting 18 weeks out, what is the overall goal with your initial cut. Recomp or straight cut at this point?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by 02sixxer View Post
    What's the current body fat of the op? If you are cutting 18 weeks out, what is the overall goal with your initial cut. Recomp or straight cut at this point?
    I would say body fat is still in the upper teens. My back and legs are starting to show some signs of lower body fat but my midsection isn't showing much abs if any at all. I believe I will be straight cutting all the way to the show may even have to sacrifice muscle, but everyone's got to cut sometime right? Haha, I went overboard with the bulking so now if I want to be in shape in time I need to keep a large caloric deficit and cardio high the whole time :/.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by tkc0mand3r

    I would say body fat is still in the upper teens. My back and legs are starting to show some signs of lower body fat but my midsection isn't showing much abs if any at all. I believe I will be straight cutting all the way to the show may even have to sacrifice muscle, but everyone's got to cut sometime right? Haha, I went overboard with the bulking so now if I want to be in shape in time I need to keep a large caloric deficit and cardio high the whole time :/.
    Yea, your body fat estimate sounds about right. When u start seeing ur flexed abs in the right lighting, prolly like 13ish. When u start seeing ur abs even when non flexing, ur prolly below 10. Keep up the good work bro. Get diced!

  19. At least your realistic about the shape your in. That way you aren't left in the end thinking you were just holding water or some ****. Seen so many guys go all the way though preps to end up looking ten pounds over weight on top watery blury from carb loadin while water depleting. Doesn't sound like that's gonna be you. You gonna post progress pics?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by kmh23 View Post
    At least your realistic about the shape your in. That way you aren't left in the end thinking you were just holding water or some ****. Seen so many guys go all the way though preps to end up looking ten pounds over weight on top watery blury from carb loadin while water depleting. Doesn't sound like that's gonna be you. You gonna post progress pics?

    Very True!!! All you have is yourself to lie to. I tell people that when they say I am 8% and I have twice the six, hell 8 pak and they have just the top two. Cutting is the hardest part. Keep it up brother once you do you will be addicted to it. I love 5% its amazing to see youself just before stage time. The next 3 weeks is all about showing it all of too.

    Living in Florida I have tons of opportunity to show the abs off. And chicks love it. Hell my wife see em everyday and still loves them when I take my shirt off.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by 02sixxer View Post

    Very True!!! All you have is yourself to lie to. I tell people that when they say I am 8% and I have twice the six, hell 8 pak and they have just the top two. Cutting is the hardest part. Keep it up brother once you do you will be addicted to it. I love 5% its amazing to see youself just before stage time. The next 3 weeks is all about showing it all of too.

    Living in Florida I have tons of opportunity to show the abs off. And chicks love it. Hell my wife see em everyday and still loves them when I take my shirt off.
    Where at in Florida?

  22. I live about 30 min north of Orlando in Mount Dora, FL
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  23. Hahaha, thanks for the encouragement guys! I actually meant to post here today because now that my epistane is done in a couple more days I was wondering if you guys thought I should/could throw some other compounds or supplements in. Money isn't much of an issue right now so there is something I could be taking I'd like to take it, should I keep going with the epistane? Hdrol? Anavar? I don't want to trust tren and have really easy access to prohormones. I am just taking the test/otc fat burner/multi/fish oil. Going to start adding hemavol to my preworkout for extra pumps, sip on bcaas a lot more, stuff like that to keep me on task. Any suggestions of what I can spend my money on haha?

    I will post progress pics eventually yeah. Not comfortable right now to be completely honest but I am trying my hardest right now been hitting the macros plus or minus 5 grams everyday, getting in all my cardio and training as intense as possible. To give you a visual my top 2 abs are starting to show when in abdominal thigh pose and my quads showing good separation. LONG WAY TO GO THOUGH!

  24. Anavar would do you great to drop fat. Being around your BF% hitting 75mg-100mg everyday for 6-8 (side depending) weeks would be amazing. If money isn't an issue this is what you should look at.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  25. Tomorrow will be 18 WEEKS OUT. So here I am updating. The average weigh in was around 210 this week and as low as 208.8 one day. Hitting the weights hard as I can, got in all 5 cardio sessions (4 30 min LISS, 1 20 min HIIT) and been hitting the macros pretty close. A point I would like to make is I have been eyeballing basically all my measurements besides a few things. Tuesday I go back to college and will be using my food scale to precisely weigh everything. This week is about 2 weeks into the diet and am starting to feel hungry for the first time haha. I am going to see if I can get Anavar back at school and probably add that in but I will update if I do. As of now for this week I will be keeping everything the same. The epistane is done so now its just test 600mg/week for aas, then I have 1 OxyECA and 3mg Yohimbine every morning. Keeping cardio the same 4x30minute LISS, 1x20minute HIIT, macros will also stay the same 220p/250c/60f BUT there will be adjustments next Saturday. I am not sure what yet for the macros but I will be decreasing overall calories but adding a refeed day during the week where carbs will be upped. Thanks guys!
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