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    Quote Originally Posted by Author L. Rea
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    There is a valid point that should be answered here, no, TST had no progestin structural relationships. It also has no testosterone metabolites and is totally detectable.

    TRN was not methoxy trenbolone. Real TRN made most horny, methoxy trenbolone would be a liver killer and libido death.
    Let the guessing begin! Wait,.. Wait.! All at once: On your mark,.... Get set,...........

    Actually- I found that last part interesting for 2 reasons.
    -TST is not a progestin. (?)
    -so My knockoff TRN, of the Mega variety, isn't what the original formula of M-TRN was!!! Well, dont I feel stupid letting that one go on Ebay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy
    Let the guessing begin! Wait,.. Wait.! All at once: On your mark,.... Get set,...........

    Actually- I found that last part interesting for 2 reasons.
    -TST is not a progestin. (?)
    -so My knockoff TRN, of the Mega variety, isn't what the original formula of M-TRN was!!! Well, dont I feel stupid letting that one go on Ebay!


    If you are refering to the GL product that was around at one time, it was correct.
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    Xtraflossy:

    If the pic is you lad..looking good!

    Keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Author L. Rea
    Xtraflossy:

    If the pic is you lad..looking good!

    Keep it up.
    It is. Thanks!

    So, the GL TRN is the Exact same as the original? I always thought it was, unless I missinterpreted what you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Author L. Rea
    bigSMokey:

    There is a valid point that should be answered here, no, TST had no progestin structural relationships. It also has no testosterone metabolites and is totally detectable.
    death.
    Could someone clue me in on what TST could possibly be then?
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    Well, its not a profestin,.. guess you have to guess on steroids that have no testosterone metabolites,....

    IF you must know, I have seen the compound for sale by chemical comp[anies. An email to one of them asking a few sinple questions should yeild results

    If I had to guess, I'd guess it's methyltestosterone / methoxytestosterone?. This would fill the requirements of not being a progestin, and not a metabolite of testosterone
    It's apparently hella androgenic, as Im breaking out left and right (observation really)- not that Id know -
    Word "on the street" supports this every once in a while, but is soon "proven" incorrect using more words that confuse me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy
    It is. Thanks!

    So, the GL TRN is the Exact same as the original? I always thought it was, unless I missinterpreted what you said.

    GL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright
    GL?
    Generic Labz
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    Quote Originally Posted by UHCougar05
    Generic Labz
    Thanks, my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy
    It is. Thanks!

    So, the GL TRN is the Exact same as the original? I always thought it was, unless I missinterpreted what you said.
    That confused me too. I'm guessing that Author meant that it was authentic TRN (because I believe that GL got some of their raws from ALRI (but I'm just going on heresay)). Then again, I could be completely miscontruing what Author had said. Just my take on it though, hopefully Author will come back with a bit of clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UHCougar05
    That confused me too. I'm guessing that Author meant that it was authentic TRN (because I believe that GL got some of their raws from ALRI (but I'm just going on heresay)). Then again, I could be completely miscontruing what Author had said. Just my take on it though, hopefully Author will come back with a bit of clarification.
    I believe that is the case: That GL and ALRI reached some sort of arrangement whereby GL was let into the secret of how to produce authentic TRN (they indicated this when they first announced the product).
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright
    I believe that is the case: That GL and ALRI reached some sort of arrangement whereby GL was let into the secret of how to produce authentic TRN (they indicated this when they first announced the product).
    Correcto mondo !
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    now I'm wondering whats in Trenadrol. Certainly there is an overseas chemist thats whipping up the authentic TRN as well. whos to say that everyone isnt sourcing from overseas as opposed to making it themselves?
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    Man Im all screwed up now!!!! I have the 6mg trn. And you'll are saying its not the same as the other one. So WTF is it better or worse. I want the good S***. If I wanted crape I would have went to Muscle-Techs web site. Now Im wondering if its just the M-TST working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    Man Im all screwed up now!!!! I have the 6mg trn. And you'll are saying its not the same as the other one. So WTF is it better or worse. I want the good S***. If I wanted crape I would have went to Muscle-Techs web site. Now Im wondering if its just the M-TST working.
    No, if you have the Generic Labz TRN, then you are good to go! That is a legit product, the only legit TRN product! So if you have the GL stuff, it is the good S***!
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    I think he has the KiloSports version Swole. Which Author specifically said ("KS") was "bogus".
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    Man I have KS Aren't they a sponsor on this board. Thats how I heard about it. Well if its BS , The M-TST Is some Killer S***. Ok what would youll recomend. Im finishing M-TST/M-TRN. I was going to use IGF. Any suggestions. Please Help!!!!!
    Desperate Brother!!!!!
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    They aren't a sponsor.

    What do you need help with?????
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    I want something to give the same results as tren. But I take drug test everymonth for probation. I just wasnt as hard as i was from tren. Im 33 its a little harder without being able to eat and train as hard as I used to b4 Katrina. Im so jammed up with work. But cant pass up the bucks. What do you think about my desire to try the IGF next or should I do something else. Im just getting my shape where I want. and I think I have alot of cortisal in my system. Dont understand I just never get as Lean In the abs.
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    Yo !!! I talked to youll the other day I was waiting on the 80mcg. Is it in.
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    You got your Oratropin?
    Awesome!

    That would be good if you are looking to lean out - just make sure you get enough good carbs.
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    No I was calling couldnt get anyone Fri, If they got it Ill take it RIGHT NOW!!!!!! I talked to j*** wed, thur . I guess Ill try again Mon. I hope its in Daddys Ready!!!! And if you talk to them let Them know hold one for Hollywood . I will deff call mon. Sometimes I can get online but most of the time it reads Error on Page.
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    The warehouse is open from like 10 to 5pm (Central). Try during then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    No I was calling couldnt get anyone Fri, If they got it Ill take it RIGHT NOW!!!!!! I talked to j*** wed, thur . I guess Ill try again Mon. I hope its in Daddys Ready!!!! And if you talk to them let Them know hold one for Hollywood . I will deff call mon. Sometimes I can get online but most of the time it reads Error on Page.
    Your posts give me a headache.
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    Then dont read them!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    Then dont read them!!!!
    You know I was joking with you, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright
    I believe that is the case: That GL and ALRI reached some sort of arrangement whereby GL was let into the secret of how to produce authentic TRN (they indicated this when they first announced the product).
    Wasent there some mention that the "REAL / Original" TRN as NOT a libedo killer? IF thats the case, then something must be off, because for the week I took TRN, IT TOTALLY Killed my libedo- as in loosing hard-ons durring sex...

    So, if caused that effect in me (and I realize other results may vary) and the Methoxy-TRN doesn't kill your sex drive, something HAS to be different ...right??
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    Man the KS M-TRN has me so jacked. As for Pepe!! His up 24/7 cant beat him down. LOL. So there must be something diff. Im 33 and I tell you im 3weeks in feeling like a beast!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    Man the KS M-TRN has me so jacked. As for Pepe!! His up 24/7 cant beat him down. LOL. So there must be something diff. Im 33 and I tell you im 3weeks in feeling like a beast!!!!
    Out of curiosity, what dosage are you running it at??

    1 cap per day (3mg) or 2 per day (6 mg) and if you are running it at 2 per day, do you have any sides such as a blood pressure raise?
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    No thank God my bp is good. After 17hd i just got my BP normal. But Im taking 2/3mg ad , and 6mg/ad of M-TST(BS). I take The M-TST in the morn w/breakfast and about an hr later then I take the M-TRN . I started to yawn alot when I took them at the same time. My next pill I take about 1hr b4 I workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    No thank God my bp is good. After 17hd i just got my BP normal. But Im taking 2/3mg ad , and 6mg/ad of M-TST(BS). I take The M-TST in the morn w/breakfast and about an hr later then I take the M-TRN . I started to yawn alot when I took them at the same time. My next pill I take about 1hr b4 I workout.
    I got the yawns from TRN as well on my TRN/Zol cycle. I am surprised you are able to run TRN at 6mg as thats when sides really set in for me and other board members. So you are on taking 2 caps per day (6mg) of Trenadrol by Kilo Sports?
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    Yes , I was nervous about the yawns b/c I heard that was from lack of oxygen to the brain. But as soon as I put that hr in between Im fine. But there is a thread on here by author that say trn by Kilo is not real. Its s***. No one knows what it really is.
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    Somewhere in Building the perfect beast ALRI talks about an upcoming product from HMgear called Primotren(they never released it). He said it is a deriative of 1-test. I wonder if this is really what M-TRN is ?
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    I just did a quick search on HMGear and they were bought out by another company that is selling an herbal product that is supposed to increase free test while lowering estrogen and cortisol...hmmm, sounds a little familiar.

    Anyway, when people are saying that they got the yawns from TRN...is that accompanied by a lot of lethargy too?
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    People do report lethargy and libidio loss. But some report increase in libidio. Need somebody who has taken both 1-test and M-trn to compare
    the two.

    ALRI's old add for (M-trn) said
    Due to Methoxy-TRN™ possessing a progestin structure etc

    I don't know if 1-test had a progestin structure?

    PA talking about 1ad
    In explaining what it does or how it works, some misconception has found its way into the reasoning. Again Patrick Arnold, who first likened its action to that of the steroid trenbolone (19-Nor-androsta-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    Yes , I was nervous about the yawns b/c I heard that was from lack of oxygen to the brain. But as soon as I put that hr in between Im fine. But there is a thread on here by author that say trn by Kilo is not real. Its s***. No one knows what it really is.
    I think Author's post was misleading. It implied that all of the companies distributing the new designers are creating them in-house. In reality, I think most of the companies (maybe ALL) are importing the raws from China. So, it really comes down to how good their source is. Considering that you are getting the yawns from Trenadrol, I would assume that it is actually the same compound as Methoxy-TRN as I have never heard of this side from any other AAS. As far as the dosing goes, it may not actually be 3mg but who knows.
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    I personally got some lethargy and libido loss from Mega-TRN BUT it took a few weeks to set in. Initially, there was more energy and libido.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattHines
    I personally got some lethargy and libido loss from Mega-TRN BUT it took a few weeks to set in. Initially, there was more energy and libido.
    Did you pyramid up the doseage or did you take the same amount all the way through?

    (I'm very interested in this product, but I'm saving it later)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Did you pyramid up the doseage or did you take the same amount all the way through?

    (I'm very interested in this product, but I'm saving it later)
    Pyramid...started at 2mg for a couple weeks then 4mg for 2 weeks then 6mg on the last week. The sides hit hard on the last week. 4mg was the dose for me...it gave me excellent results and practically no sides. 6mg really set in the libido loss, lethargy and created a noticeable BP raise. I will probably run TRN again as it proudces good results with minimal sides if taken at the right dose. Next time I will run it at 4mg the whole time and probably stack it with TST, ZOL or something of the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattHines
    Pyramid...started at 2mg for a couple weeks then 4mg for 2 weeks then 6mg on the last week. The sides hit hard on the last week. 4mg was the dose for me...it gave me excellent results and practically no sides. 6mg really set in the libido loss, lethargy and created a noticeable BP raise. I will probably run TRN again as it proudces good results with minimal sides if taken at the right dose. Next time I will run it at 4mg the whole time and probably stack it with TST, ZOL or something of the like.
    Thanks. Your experiencs seem to be quite similar to what many others have reported. It seems that the 6mg mark really kicks in the sides. Did you pre-load any supps or use them while on and do you have your b4 and after stats?
  

  
 

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