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OK check this out. I have been using PCS for about 3 days now and I don't know if it is a placebo, but I feel like my mood is lifted and I am only taking 2 pills per day. I will give more info as time goes on. One thing that I was wondering is if there is enough Quercitine in PCS to cause any issues with Histamine as I have read that Quercitine can retard histamine production? I know that Histamine blockers can cause ED. I definatley have not noticed if PCS does this as my libido is increasing :twisted:
 
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Hello Hyde-

Today is my first day on pcs, but I justed finished up using 6-oxo extreme for 12 days or so (approx. 6 caps per day split evenly). I've noticed increased energy and my mood has been very good. Today, I've taken 3 pills, 1 with each meal and I continue to feel good with a lot energy. I don't think it's a placebo effect. Keep us updated!
 
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WOW great to hear it!

Keep us informed!


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I just started taking it the other day as a stand-alone and not for PCT. The first ever dose was a bit wierd....about 40 minutes after taking it i got really dizzy, but not in a crazy kind of way...just more light headed and euphoric. Kinda like a buzz. About 15 minutes later i felt great and it hasnt happened since. So, yes, I would say this has a good affect on mood.

So far, I'm really liking it.
 

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I stopped using this because I am concerned about the Quercetin in it and its anti-histamine properties.
 
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Hyde,

Thank you for your post. Have you had ED before?

I have never seen anything showing Quercitin to have these sort of results at even triple the dosage in POST Cycle Support.

Quercitin is in all sorts of supplements with no ill effects reported including a number of TEST boosting products

Here are some just some of the many supplements which contain Quercitin:

Controlled Labs Orange Triad

6 oxo

CMI Red-Cell Pro, 1.59 Lbs.

Metabolic Diet TestoBoost


NOW Respir-All, 60 Tablets

NOW Super Antioxidants

Olympian Labs Quercetin Plus

Optimum Joint Aid

Solaray QBC Plex

Twinlab Joint Fuel




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I was more worried about the possibility of it halting the ability to get an orgasm. I noticed no ED when I was taking it BTW. I will probably stop being a p**** and take it again and if I do have issues then I will stop. I will let you know how it pans out. Thanks for the quick reply.
 
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I too have noticed an increase in energy and improved mood. BUT...I'm also on the NHA stack. Either way, this combination has really gotten better over the 5 days or so that I have been on it. By the way, no difficulty in reaching orgasm. ;) Word.
 
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I'm taking 4 caps morning, 4 mid day, and 4 before bed... Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but the addition of PCS is the only thing I can think of at all that's changed...

I usually don't have gas. Really. But after starting PCS a few days ago, whenever I rip ass it smells like a septic tank was ripped open and fire-bombed. The gastric bursts are hot, powerful, and wreak of boiling, stagnant well-water.

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I'm not taking PCS, but same ingredients thru other means. I've been as high as 2g a day in quercetin, and it didn't negatively impact sexual function at all. Truthfully I really like quercetin, its turned out to be more effective thatn sudafed for my allergy control :)
 
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I was more worried about the possibility of it halting the ability to get an orgasm. I noticed no ED when I was taking it BTW. I will probably stop being a p**** and take it again and if I do have issues then I will stop. I will let you know how it pans out. Thanks for the quick reply.
As you know, apart from being a potent anti-inflammatory, Quercetin is also a powerful anti-oxidant, so you get excellent benefits from PCS via Quercetin alone. I would avoid Quercetin, if I were on an arachidonic acid product. Anyway, if you are still worried about any type of quercetin-induced potential histamine-pathway shutdown, you might want to take (additional) L-Histidine. You can do this via a carnosine supplementation, an expensive option, or via a Beta-Alanine/L-Histidine supplementation, or even via a direct L-Histidine supplementation. The body converts L-Histidine to Histamine. By the way, you might want to be sure you are taking sufficient zinc (up to 40mg - 50mg per day). Zinc is useful in more than 200 metabolic processes in the body, including L-Histidine metabolism.
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As you know, apart from being a potent anti-inflammatory, Quercetin is also a powerful anti-oxidant, so you get excellent benefits from PCS via Quercetin alone. I would avoid Quercetin, if I were on an arachidonic acid product.
Argh, I hadn't thought of that. I guess I scratch quercetin for the next few weeks too
 

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As you know, apart from being a potent anti-inflammatory, Quercetin is also a powerful anti-oxidant, so you get excellent benefits from PCS via Quercetin alone. I would avoid Quercetin, if I were on an arachidonic acid product. Anyway, if you are still worried about any type of quercetin-induced potential histamine-pathway shutdown, you might want to take (additional) L-Histidine. You can do this via a carnosine supplementation, an expensive option, or via a Beta-Alanine/L-Histidine supplementation, or even via a direct L-Histidine supplementation. The body converts L-Histidine to Histamine. By the way, you might want to be sure you are taking sufficient zinc (up to 40mg - 50mg per day). Zinc is useful in more than 200 metabolic processes in the body, including L-Histidine metabolism.
All the best!
Good posting. reps
 
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Let me ask this.... I supplement with beta alanine. Will the histamine reductive properties of quercetine prohibit proper beta alanine to carnosine conversion? Just curious ;) I'm taking in PCS triple dosed.
 
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Let me ask this.... I supplement with beta alanine. Will the histamine reductive properties of quercetine prohibit proper beta alanine to carnosine conversion? Just curious ;) I'm taking in PCS triple dosed.
No. Although carnosine is a multi-functional di-peptide made up of Beta-Alanine and L-Histidine, beta alanine supplementation is considered the most effective path to boosting intra-cellular carnosine levels. While histidine is also important, some argue that we get enough histidine anyway from dietary proteins. Nevertheless, you may want to ingest additional histidine, especially because of PCS/Quercetin, if you want to cover all options.
 

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can this be taken instead of a prescribed SERM? How about stacked with Sustain? Thanks
 

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can this be taken instead of a prescribed SERM? How about stacked with Sustain? Thanks
Personally, I would not use this over a pharmaceutical SERM which have clinical data showing the ability to recover HPTA functionality after strong steroid cycles. This is not to say PCS is a bad product...I'll be trying it out as a stand alone but not replacing a SERM.
 
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can this be taken instead of a prescribed SERM? How about stacked with Sustain? Thanks
Hello Molotov,

Thank you for your question. Many people are stacking this with Sustain for post cycle therapy. As to if it can be taken instead of a SERM, Trans resveratrol actual is a SERM. I wouldn't use it instead of a SERM with a harsh cycle. Depends upon what you are using in your cycle.


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OK, so I started taking PCS again and I was worried for nothing. I actually get a whole hell of a lot of wood with this stuff. Amazing. For anyone that is worried about it, I can tell you that PCS in no way shape or form will screw with the d***. I love this stuff. I sleep better on it too. Two thumbs way up!!
 
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and can double your sperm count! not sure if thats always a good thing :D
 
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so could PCS be used in place of a SERM if you werent able to obtain a SERM (for "probationary legal reasons")?? im confused . im not doing a cycle but for future reference i would like to know.
 
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so could PCS be used in place of a SERM if you werent able to obtain a SERM (for "probationary legal reasons")?? im confused . im not doing a cycle but for future reference i would like to know.

It can be. the question is how effective it is, which is partially a question of how suppressive your cycle was...

Noone is suggesting that a complete shutdown raisin sized balls from 20mg/day of M1T for 6 weeks will come back in 30 days of PCS, but it could very well work for 30 days of halodrol 50 or epistane...
 
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what is the reason for SERM's not being legal? some times i wonder why people put bans on such things that are necessary .... it just makes the consumer more apt to find an illegal route to obtaining it. what is the world coming to???:ntome:
 

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what is the reason for SERM's not being legal? some times i wonder why people put bans on such things that are necessary .... it just makes the consumer more apt to find an illegal route to obtaining it. what is the world coming to???:ntome:
SERMs are not a controlled substance. You are supposed to have a prescription to get one but if you are in possession of one it is not illegal. They are quite easily obtained.
 
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Bearmeet could you say where you got your info?

You say you are suppose to have a prescription but if you have a SERM you are ok??

I have been told directly from Rick Collens (the atty who wrote the bible on steriod laws) via telephone, that it is indeed illegal to posses research chems including SERMS no matter WHAT you say you are using them for.

To me you are playing with fire ordering and possessing research chems especially after the recent raids on the companies which sell them.

This is EXACTLY the reason I asked The Sinner to formulate POST Cycle Support for a legal alternative. We have prohormones which are legal alternatives to steroids so why not PCT also.



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Also, if not research chems, possessing a prescription substance that you don't have a prescription for is also illegal. HOWEVER there are internet pharmacies who have doctors on staff who MIGHT write you a prescription for the med, in which case you are ok :)
 
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Also, if not research chems, possessing a prescription substance that you don't have a prescription for is also illegal. HOWEVER there are internet pharmacies who have doctors on staff who MIGHT write you a prescription for the med, in which case you are ok :)
I have to kindly disagree. The govt knows exactly what is going on with this sort of thing where a Dr. prescribes medication over the internet.

Even some Hormone Replacement Therapy clinics who saw their patients in person and prescribed medicine have been raided and busted.


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I have to kindly disagree. The govt knows exactly what is going on with this sort of thing where a Dr. prescribes medication over the internet.

Even some Hormone Replacement Therapy clinics who saw their patients in person and prescribed medicine have been raided and busted.


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But in that case you do have a legitmate prescription for the product. It may be the fault of the prescribing doctor, and he may get raided, but you aren't commiting a crime in that instance as you have complied with laws. Its the doctor that didnt :) I know this from a friend who used to work for an internet pharmacy that was pretty clean and required your real doctor's contact info, and got copies of your medical records first before prescribing anythiong, but hired a temp doctor while the main one was out who didn't give a crap and just wrote the scrips for anything requested that week. They got shut down, but none of the customers who bought viagra that week got hassled :)
 
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In the end, Post Cycle Support is one of the best available over the counter SERMS today. finding an internet pharmacy who would write a scrip for a MALE to get any of the SERMS is probably impossible anymore.
 
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so in some case PCS would be an accetable "serm"? or no?
 

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so in some case PCS would be an accetable "serm"? or no?
Dude, I am telling you that it is. I am on TRT and am shut down and I'm not on HCG and this stuff makes my nuts grow.
 
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I'm noticing exaggerated effects of increased testosterone with this product incorporated into my stack.
 
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the research on it is in its infancy (the product hasn't been out all that long), but it seems like it could be.
I dont think Id cut out the serm and just stick with the PCS for PCT... BUT, if PCS has serm qualities, is it still okay to use if you're also on a serm? What do you think?
 
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I was more worried about the possibility of it halting the ability to get an orgasm. I noticed no ED when I was taking it BTW. I will probably stop being a p**** and take it again and if I do have issues then I will stop. I will let you know how it pans out. Thanks for the quick reply.
I have been taking 6 caps a day, and have had no problems with delayed orgams so far (no more than the usual 30-60 min if focusing, although normally it can go forever if I don't focus on ending, always been this way). Thinking of triple dosing this soon too.

I'm also just going to be ordering bulk l-histidine and cap it myself. GF gets a lil upset if I don't 'finish' with her so I'm trying to speed it up so I can finish on demand.
 
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I dont think Id cut out the serm and just stick with the PCS for post cycle therapy... BUT, if PCS has serm qualities, is it still okay to use if you're also on a serm? What do you think?
Sure, thats safe, theres no counter-indication to that.
 
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I am a firm believer in trans-revs being more than capable to replace the traditional SERM's. I understand that its still new but at some point in time so were the other SERM's. There is data supporting the claims of Trans-Revs being a SERM just not as much as the others.

Crowler, Sinner or Eric could and I am sure would provide a good amount of data to prove other wise I am sure they would not have made these products.

With that said I plan on running PCS during my PP/Epi cycle. I will be running PCS and Sustain to replace the tradition SERM for my post cycle therapy. AX PCT will be throw in there for good measures.
 
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He is a nice little study on Trans. Its a study on rats but interesting to me anyways.

trans-Resveratrol was reported to have health benefits including anticarcinogenic effects and protection against cardiovascular disease. One of the mechanisms by which it exerts its action is through modulating the estrogen response systems. Because estrogen is involved in male reproductive biology, we investigated the effect of trans-resveratrol on testis and spermatogenesis. Adult male rats were divided into 2 groups. The treated group was administered by gavage 20 mg/(kg · d) of trans-resveratrol suspended in 10 g/L of carboxymethylcellulose for 90 d, whereas the control group received only carboxymethylcellulose during the same period. The relative weight of testes did not differ between the groups. However, the diameter of the seminiferous tubules was significantly reduced from 437.5 ± 0.1 µm in the controls to 310.9 ± 0.1 µm in the resveratrol–treated rats. This decrease was accompanied by a significant increase in tubular density, from 3.20 ± 0.18 in controls to 6.58 ± 0.18 tubules/mm2 in the treated group. Moreover, sperm counts were significantly greater in the resveratrol-treated rats (24.8 ± 3.30 x 107) than in the control group (14.1 ± 0.80 x 107), but sperm quality did not differ. Serum concentrations of gonadotrophins and testosterone were significantly higher in the resveratrol-treated group. We identified a novel activity of trans-resveratrol. The daily oral administration of this phytochemical to adult male rats enhanced sperm production by stimulating the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, without inducing adverse effects.
 
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.....what effects are those?
Check out my log my friend. I try to keep the log as detailed as possible... Some effects are (and they're definitely there!):

1. Oilier skin
2. Libido is always, and I mean always sky high, like I was 14 again.
3. Aggression is more present, but not a stim-type of aggression... more of a 'powerful inner feeling' type of confidence.
4. Strength increases can be attributed to other products in my stack, but none-the-less, it's goin' UP.
5. Along with libido increases comes erections. The slightest thought or sight of a half-decent woman gives me a rod so stiff I can play billiards with it.

*My statements are not exaggerated, for if I didn't like a product or didn't get anything from the product, I wouldn't hype it up. I don't have ties to supplement companies and I really wouldn't hesitate to say, "look, I like this company, but what the hell is up with this?" That being said, I used to like AX, but I'd stick them in the same boat as Muscle-Tech to be honest with you. That's my opinion. Take from it what you may.

This PCS product has been kicking in steadily since I've been dosing it and so far, everything is strong and positive.

*By the way, my appetite is through the roof. Thank God that I'm taking Relora, which doesn't kill, but modulates appetite to control cravings. My appetite would be out of control!
 

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I'm gettin some for my dad for Christmas. :)

I've decided!!!!
 

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I really wish I would have ordered Relora with my last NP order. I took it out of the cart at the last minute :frustrate
 
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I really wish I would have ordered Relora with my last NP order. I took it out of the cart at the last minute :frustrate
Relora? ;)
 
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Bearmeet could you say where you got your info?

You say you are suppose to have a prescription but if you have a SERM you are ok??

I have been told directly from Rick Collens (the atty who wrote the bible on steriod laws) via telephone, that it is indeed illegal to posses research chems including SERMS no matter WHAT you say you are using them for.

To me you are playing with fire ordering and possessing research chems especially after the recent raids on the companies which sell them.

This is EXACTLY the reason I asked The Sinner to formulate POST Cycle Support for a legal alternative. We have prohormones which are legal alternatives to steroids so why not post cycle therapy also.



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Good Post Crowler. Some people don't seem to understand this still and don't realize that your product IS A SERM!. I don't understand it. With the "reasearch" chems being toxic to the liver, illegal, and hard to obtain, why not use a legal alternative?.
 

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