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    OK check this out. I have been using PCS for about 3 days now and I don't know if it is a placebo, but I feel like my mood is lifted and I am only taking 2 pills per day. I will give more info as time goes on. One thing that I was wondering is if there is enough Quercitine in PCS to cause any issues with Histamine as I have read that Quercitine can retard histamine production? I know that Histamine blockers can cause ED. I definatley have not noticed if PCS does this as my libido is increasing

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    Hello Hyde-

    Today is my first day on pcs, but I justed finished up using 6-oxo extreme for 12 days or so (approx. 6 caps per day split evenly). I've noticed increased energy and my mood has been very good. Today, I've taken 3 pills, 1 with each meal and I continue to feel good with a lot energy. I don't think it's a placebo effect. Keep us updated!
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    WOW great to hear it!

    Keep us informed!


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    I just started taking it the other day as a stand-alone and not for PCT. The first ever dose was a bit wierd....about 40 minutes after taking it i got really dizzy, but not in a crazy kind of way...just more light headed and euphoric. Kinda like a buzz. About 15 minutes later i felt great and it hasnt happened since. So, yes, I would say this has a good affect on mood.

    So far, I'm really liking it.
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    I stopped using this because I am concerned about the Quercetin in it and its anti-histamine properties.
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    Hyde,

    Thank you for your post. Have you had ED before?

    I have never seen anything showing Quercitin to have these sort of results at even triple the dosage in POST Cycle Support.

    Quercitin is in all sorts of supplements with no ill effects reported including a number of TEST boosting products

    Here are some just some of the many supplements which contain Quercitin:

    Controlled Labs Orange Triad

    6 oxo

    CMI Red-Cell Pro, 1.59 Lbs.

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    Olympian Labs Quercetin Plus

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    I was more worried about the possibility of it halting the ability to get an orgasm. I noticed no ED when I was taking it BTW. I will probably stop being a p**** and take it again and if I do have issues then I will stop. I will let you know how it pans out. Thanks for the quick reply.
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    I too have noticed an increase in energy and improved mood. BUT...I'm also on the NHA stack. Either way, this combination has really gotten better over the 5 days or so that I have been on it. By the way, no difficulty in reaching orgasm. Word.
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    I'm taking 4 caps morning, 4 mid day, and 4 before bed... Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but the addition of PCS is the only thing I can think of at all that's changed...

    I usually don't have gas. Really. But after starting PCS a few days ago, whenever I rip ass it smells like a septic tank was ripped open and fire-bombed. The gastric bursts are hot, powerful, and wreak of boiling, stagnant well-water.

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    I'm not taking PCS, but same ingredients thru other means. I've been as high as 2g a day in quercetin, and it didn't negatively impact sexual function at all. Truthfully I really like quercetin, its turned out to be more effective thatn sudafed for my allergy control
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12;
    I was more worried about the possibility of it halting the ability to get an orgasm. I noticed no ED when I was taking it BTW. I will probably stop being a p**** and take it again and if I do have issues then I will stop. I will let you know how it pans out. Thanks for the quick reply.
    As you know, apart from being a potent anti-inflammatory, Quercetin is also a powerful anti-oxidant, so you get excellent benefits from PCS via Quercetin alone. I would avoid Quercetin, if I were on an arachidonic acid product. Anyway, if you are still worried about any type of quercetin-induced potential histamine-pathway shutdown, you might want to take (additional) L-Histidine. You can do this via a carnosine supplementation, an expensive option, or via a Beta-Alanine/L-Histidine supplementation, or even via a direct L-Histidine supplementation. The body converts L-Histidine to Histamine. By the way, you might want to be sure you are taking sufficient zinc (up to 40mg - 50mg per day). Zinc is useful in more than 200 metabolic processes in the body, including L-Histidine metabolism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    As you know, apart from being a potent anti-inflammatory, Quercetin is also a powerful anti-oxidant, so you get excellent benefits from PCS via Quercetin alone. I would avoid Quercetin, if I were on an arachidonic acid product.
    Argh, I hadn't thought of that. I guess I scratch quercetin for the next few weeks too
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    As you know, apart from being a potent anti-inflammatory, Quercetin is also a powerful anti-oxidant, so you get excellent benefits from PCS via Quercetin alone. I would avoid Quercetin, if I were on an arachidonic acid product. Anyway, if you are still worried about any type of quercetin-induced potential histamine-pathway shutdown, you might want to take (additional) L-Histidine. You can do this via a carnosine supplementation, an expensive option, or via a Beta-Alanine/L-Histidine supplementation, or even via a direct L-Histidine supplementation. The body converts L-Histidine to Histamine. By the way, you might want to be sure you are taking sufficient zinc (up to 40mg - 50mg per day). Zinc is useful in more than 200 metabolic processes in the body, including L-Histidine metabolism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12;
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    Let me ask this.... I supplement with beta alanine. Will the histamine reductive properties of quercetine prohibit proper beta alanine to carnosine conversion? Just curious I'm taking in PCS triple dosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green;
    Let me ask this.... I supplement with beta alanine. Will the histamine reductive properties of quercetine prohibit proper beta alanine to carnosine conversion? Just curious I'm taking in PCS triple dosed.
    No. Although carnosine is a multi-functional di-peptide made up of Beta-Alanine and L-Histidine, beta alanine supplementation is considered the most effective path to boosting intra-cellular carnosine levels. While histidine is also important, some argue that we get enough histidine anyway from dietary proteins. Nevertheless, you may want to ingest additional histidine, especially because of PCS/Quercetin, if you want to cover all options.
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    can this be taken instead of a prescribed SERM? How about stacked with Sustain? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by molotov View Post
    can this be taken instead of a prescribed SERM? How about stacked with Sustain? Thanks
    Personally, I would not use this over a pharmaceutical SERM which have clinical data showing the ability to recover HPTA functionality after strong steroid cycles. This is not to say PCS is a bad product...I'll be trying it out as a stand alone but not replacing a SERM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molotov View Post
    can this be taken instead of a prescribed SERM? How about stacked with Sustain? Thanks
    Hello Molotov,

    Thank you for your question. Many people are stacking this with Sustain for post cycle therapy. As to if it can be taken instead of a SERM, Trans resveratrol actual is a SERM. I wouldn't use it instead of a SERM with a harsh cycle. Depends upon what you are using in your cycle.


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    ok, hypothetically, 3 weeks of M-Drol?
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    OK, so I started taking PCS again and I was worried for nothing. I actually get a whole hell of a lot of wood with this stuff. Amazing. For anyone that is worried about it, I can tell you that PCS in no way shape or form will screw with the d***. I love this stuff. I sleep better on it too. Two thumbs way up!!
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    and can double your sperm count! not sure if thats always a good thing
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    so could PCS be used in place of a SERM if you werent able to obtain a SERM (for "probationary legal reasons")?? im confused . im not doing a cycle but for future reference i would like to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej215584 View Post
    so could PCS be used in place of a SERM if you werent able to obtain a SERM (for "probationary legal reasons")?? im confused . im not doing a cycle but for future reference i would like to know.

    It can be. the question is how effective it is, which is partially a question of how suppressive your cycle was...

    Noone is suggesting that a complete shutdown raisin sized balls from 20mg/day of M1T for 6 weeks will come back in 30 days of PCS, but it could very well work for 30 days of halodrol 50 or epistane...
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    what is the reason for SERM's not being legal? some times i wonder why people put bans on such things that are necessary .... it just makes the consumer more apt to find an illegal route to obtaining it. what is the world coming to???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej215584 View Post
    what is the reason for SERM's not being legal? some times i wonder why people put bans on such things that are necessary .... it just makes the consumer more apt to find an illegal route to obtaining it. what is the world coming to???
    SERMs are not a controlled substance. You are supposed to have a prescription to get one but if you are in possession of one it is not illegal. They are quite easily obtained.
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    Bearmeet could you say where you got your info?

    You say you are suppose to have a prescription but if you have a SERM you are ok??

    I have been told directly from Rick Collens (the atty who wrote the bible on steriod laws) via telephone, that it is indeed illegal to posses research chems including SERMS no matter WHAT you say you are using them for.

    To me you are playing with fire ordering and possessing research chems especially after the recent raids on the companies which sell them.

    This is EXACTLY the reason I asked The Sinner to formulate POST Cycle Support for a legal alternative. We have prohormones which are legal alternatives to steroids so why not PCT also.



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    Also, if not research chems, possessing a prescription substance that you don't have a prescription for is also illegal. HOWEVER there are internet pharmacies who have doctors on staff who MIGHT write you a prescription for the med, in which case you are ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Also, if not research chems, possessing a prescription substance that you don't have a prescription for is also illegal. HOWEVER there are internet pharmacies who have doctors on staff who MIGHT write you a prescription for the med, in which case you are ok
    I have to kindly disagree. The govt knows exactly what is going on with this sort of thing where a Dr. prescribes medication over the internet.

    Even some Hormone Replacement Therapy clinics who saw their patients in person and prescribed medicine have been raided and busted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    I have to kindly disagree. The govt knows exactly what is going on with this sort of thing where a Dr. prescribes medication over the internet.

    Even some Hormone Replacement Therapy clinics who saw their patients in person and prescribed medicine have been raided and busted.


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    But in that case you do have a legitmate prescription for the product. It may be the fault of the prescribing doctor, and he may get raided, but you aren't commiting a crime in that instance as you have complied with laws. Its the doctor that didnt I know this from a friend who used to work for an internet pharmacy that was pretty clean and required your real doctor's contact info, and got copies of your medical records first before prescribing anythiong, but hired a temp doctor while the main one was out who didn't give a crap and just wrote the scrips for anything requested that week. They got shut down, but none of the customers who bought viagra that week got hassled
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    In the end, Post Cycle Support is one of the best available over the counter SERMS today. finding an internet pharmacy who would write a scrip for a MALE to get any of the SERMS is probably impossible anymore.
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    so in some case PCS would be an accetable "serm"? or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej215584 View Post
    so in some case PCS would be an accetable "serm"? or no?
    Dude, I am telling you that it is. I am on TRT and am shut down and I'm not on HCG and this stuff makes my nuts grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ej215584 View Post
    so in some case PCS would be an accetable "serm"? or no?
    the research on it is in its infancy (the product hasn't been out all that long), but it seems like it could be.
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    I'm noticing exaggerated effects of increased testosterone with this product incorporated into my stack.
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    I'm noticing exaggerated effects of increased testosterone with this product incorporated into my stack.
    .....what effects are those?
  

  
 

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