Was that weird? Let's cuddle awkwardly.
yeah its in nice condition, but a bit too middle aged investment banker for my liking........... i wish i could afford a car :whiner:mullet how much did you say you paid for that benz? Better be cheap as hell cuz that thing is ooooogulaay..im sure the interior is nice tho. actually the car is in really nice condition cosmetic wise from what i can see in the pics
Have to disagree with you on this Easy. That was actually the first thing I had remarked about this vehicle, was how incredibly smooth but sturdy/agile the ride is.What i'd have a question about in a 10 year old anything is rubber and springs. I don't care how well maintained a car is, the springs have had 3800lbs sitting on them for 10 years, rubber bushings and mounts start to deform + wear or even to some extent dry rot in that time. although the general mechanical drive and all and even most of the interior should be fine, the ride quality is never the same as a 2 year old car from what i've seen, including benzs.
Well it doesn't have quite the class of your '84 Station Wagon, but I'm working on it.mullet how much did you say you paid for that benz? Better be cheap as hell cuz that thing is ooooogulaay..im sure the interior is nice tho. actually the car is in really nice condition cosmetic wise from what i can see in the pics
it looks like wannabe class too me. And at least my '84 party wagon has wood grain on the sides! yeaaaaa budddy!Well it doesn't have quite the class of your '84 Station Wagon, but I'm working on it.
Good assessment. As a precept of tact and classy behavior, I value your opinion and analysis of my vehicle.it looks like wannabe class too me. And at least my '84 party wagon has wood grain on the sides! yeaaaaa budddy!
hahaha well said. im just a hater lol. rock that benz and all of its creature comforts! how much you get it for?Good assessment. As a precept of tact and classy behavior, I value your opinion and analysis of my vehicle.
really that as well is not a fact, but also just an opinion but you are entitled to it. To me regardless of make, an older car is more likely to have a breakdown or require parts replacements than a new car. Wear items wear, you almost never need to replace brake calipers or rotors in the first 50k miles of a cars life, but likely will between 100k + 150k....Have to disagree with you on this Easy. That was actually the first thing I had remarked about this vehicle, was how incredibly smooth but sturdy/agile the ride is.
I guess the point being, for me personally, I would MUCH rather buy a used/older Benz than any new domestic vehicle. Fact is you are simply getting a higher quality car, both in terms of the entire drivetrain, and the creature comforts (leather, bose system, dual climate zones, sunroof, etc., etc., that accompany a Benz).
Hmmm, well I would say that is more fact than opinion (and any search of the last 10-15 years for vehicle depreciation rates would corroborate with my point [domestic cars are often not even in the top ten for their class, let alone overall]). But that's just my opinion tooreally that as well is not a fact, but also just an opinion but you are entitled to it. To me regardless of make, an older car is more likely to have a breakdown or require parts replacements than a new car. Wear items wear, you almost never need to replace brake calipers or rotors in the first 50k miles of a cars life, but likely will between 100k + 150k....
i gotta agree with domestic vehicles but i think most japanesse cars take the cake for retaining value and being reliable, not to mention euro cars cost a fortune to change parts.Hmmm, well I would say that is more fact than opinion (and any search of the last 10-15 years for vehicle depreciation rates would corroborate with my point [domestic cars are often not even in the top ten for their class, let alone overall]). But that's just my opinion too
I guess my point is, in my personal opinion, I can be more confident that my Mercedes will have less problems in the same time frame than will your newly purchased domestic vehicle (exceptions therein obviously). Fact is, it probably will.
Most definitely PP. Japanese cars topped the few lists I was just looking at actually. Well, for coupes at the very least. And that is a MAJOR drawback to Benzs, the ridiculous repair costs.i gotta agree with domestic vehicles but i think most japanesse cars take the cake for retaining value and being reliable, not to mention euro cars cost a fortune to change parts.
Ford has overtaken toyota for quality and reliability as of this year, go ahead and check JD powers for that info... And mercedes benz has been steadily dropping.i gotta agree with domestic vehicles but i think most japanesse cars take the cake for retaining value and being reliable, not to mention euro cars cost a fortune to change parts.
360hp in a 4dr sedan with leather, bluetooth radio, sunroof, steering wheel controls, close to same interior space as the benz S600, $32,000.... I'm happy with it. And your car does look sweet. did you ever say what you paid for it? i was looking at a friends used 96 S600, around 95k miles. I think I can get it for about $7000, seems like a halfway decent third car for the houseEither way, have fun with your domestics Easy and I'll stick with my Euros. We'll both be happy!
I only have 221HP, but with AWD, an interior and features that are unmistakably Benz, at far less than half the price...I'm definitely happy with mine as well.360hp in a 4dr sedan with leather, bluetooth radio, sunroof, steering wheel controls, close to same interior space as the benz S600, $32,000.... I'm happy with it. And your car does look sweet. did you ever say what you paid for it? i was looking at a friends used 96 S600, around 95k miles. I think I can get it for about $7000, seems like a halfway decent third car for the house
That is one year. Out of the past 15-20 is a horrid record.Ford has overtaken toyota for quality and reliability as of this year, go ahead and check JD powers for that info... And mercedes benz has been steadily dropping.
Again, people are free to have their own opinions I find that both the japanese + euro car beliefs of reliability aren't completely backed up by statistical data when you factor in costs.
If true that makes me happy since Mazda is pretty much the Japanese Ford.I need to step down costwise for my next car (as new kid is on the way, and its wife's turn for a more expensive one) the mazda 3 could be a lot of fun. Even the 6 isn't bad pricewise. I just sort of hate to not buy an american car, but at this point some of the japanese cars are more american than GM. But comically ford now has higher initial quality than toyota or mercedes benz.....
Mazda's are actually pretty nice. I think my gf's friend just bought a Protege? You know much about those Norris?If true that makes me happy since Mazda is pretty much the Japanese Ford.
No, I am pretty new to Mazda. I just loved the Mazdaspeed3so much I had to get it.Mazda's are actually pretty nice. I think my gf's friend just bought a Protege? You know much about those Norris?
he also said "it comes in any colour you like, as long as its black" which i thought was pretty funnyBtw, Henry Ford was a Nazi supporter when he was still alive. Somehow that detail got left out of their car advertising.
it comes from actual statistical data and 3rd party surveys of car owners. Not from individual beliefs I don't know where the argument comes from that japanese cars are as good as domestic ones...I don't know where the argument comes from domestic cars being as good as japanese cars.
This is what I'll do. Only think sometimes warranty is just valid in the US.Just some advice for a fellow Canuck --
CROSS THE BORDER AND BUY IN THE U.S. --Example: a coworker of mine just ordered a vehicle (Subaru I think) in Montana (we're in Alberta). The price there is $32 000 US which is NOW approx. $30 000 Canadian because of our dollar being at 1.10 U.S. The dealerships in Alberta were asking $40 000 . Yes, he has to pay GST at the border but thats 6% here ($1800) so his grand total is $31 800 plus the cost of fuel, and a day to drive there and back. He saves close to $8000 on this deal -- CHECK THIS OUT !!
This is wrong, plain and simple. The issue extends far beyond personal misconceptions. One needs only to look at even a domestically inclined research firm like J.D. to see that only in the past 2 years have domestic vehicles begun to msake a resurgence. Which does not even extend to all domestic brands, simply Ford (which was admittedly only this year). However, Honda and Toyota still lead the pack, and only in the past 5 years have Mercedes and Audi begun to regress. Formerly they were at the top of the list, which is of most concern to me as they were by far and away superior to domestic vehicles when my vehicle was made. You are wrong Easy, there is no other way to state how completely wrong you are than that. No coy smilie will change that fact. You are either ignorant to the facts or intentionally ignore them.it comes from actual statistical data and 3rd party surveys of car owners. Not from individual beliefs I don't know where the argument comes from that japanese cars are as good as domestic ones.
Exactly, not only is the depreciation rate higher because of common reliability issues, but because of the significantly lower wholesale prices given for domestic cars. This is why domestic vehicles sell for significantly lower than sticker. The reason why their wholesale price is so much lower is a very convoluted issue, but at its base boils down to aggressive production leading to oversupply, which, brining us back to our original point, leads to quality issues.The fact is that is that the high initial depreciation of american isn't due to their lack of reliability, its due to people's belief of their lack of reliability. the two are different. When audi had the 3 or 4 "unintended acceleration" crashes and deaths in the 80s, their used car prices for all models plummeted. Did that mean they were unreliable? no, it just meant that demand was lower than supply.
Part as well of the huge drop in value as a used car (that gets quoted by euro + nippon fans) is that american cars carry a high sticker price, but also tend to sell for significantly less than sticker. a $32,000 sticker car can usually be bought for $27500 where the japanese or euro car that stickers for 32k usually sells for 32k. So when a 2 year depreciation value shows 17,000 its "almost a 50%" depreciation against sticker, but its really more like 38%. Still is worse than their counterparts, but not as much.
I'll have to defend Mullet here... Not that I don't like you Easy lol. Government get good prices from american cars because they're cheaper initially. And they usually keep these cars 2-3 years, so no major maintenance is required on them as they're always rolling new cars.. Just a point ..So one last thing here mullet, explain why canadian taxi companies as well as police force primarily use US domestic vehicles? Is their unreliability made up for by the fact that over time the initial cost plus cost of repairs is still cheaper then japanese or euro cars of similar size? I specify canadian as if I used the US, i'm sure the answer would have something to do with nationalism. But heck, the montreal police don't even necessarily have to speak english, just french from what I gather. And yet they still drive american cars
Ford has overtaken toyota for quality and reliability as of this year, go ahead and check JD powers for that info... And mercedes benz has been steadily dropping.
Again, people are free to have their own opinions I find that both the japanese + euro car beliefs of reliability aren't completely backed up by statistical data when you factor in costs.
but in that 2-3 years they put a lot of miles on them, from what I know most police cars are kept more like 5-6 years besides. And taxi companies keep their cars far longer, its common to see them with multi-hundreds of thousands of miles
Yeah, and you'll see more and more Camry's taxis. I guess the reason they have Ford is because it's cheaper. Parts are cheaper too.. Okay, 5 years 150000 km That's probably the max they'd keep a car. At that mileage, I'd say issues haven't been huge for most cars at this point..but in that 2-3 years they put a lot of miles on them, from what I know most police cars are kept more like 5-6 years besides. And taxi companies keep their cars far longer, its common to see them with multi-hundreds of thousands of miles
FORD Fvckin Old Rusty Dog :rofl:FORD- Found-On-Road-Dead!...
Hahahaha- Remember that one?
But also thats the average length of time people keep a car. that was sort of my point in the domestic car thing to begin with if the domestic car is the same size and roughly same equipment level, and it costs less when factoring in average repairs and maintenance, I still think it is a more sensible buy. Well, and with toyota starting to see a decline in quality, do you think there will be mroe camry taxis? I'm not sure. Going back to pricing, its more based on what people are willing to pay for a product. People are irrational, people frequently do things based on beliefs like nationalism, religion or other ideas that don't necessarily have factual backing. But businesses are in business to make money, and are far less driven by belief than what you can show in $ on paper.Yeah, and you'll see more and more Camry's taxis. I guess the reason they have Ford is because it's cheaper. Parts are cheaper too.. Okay, 5 years 150000 km That's probably the max they'd keep a car. At that mileage, I'd say issues haven't been huge for most cars at this point..
lolSo one last thing here mullet, explain why canadian taxi companies as well as police force primarily use US domestic vehicles? Is their unreliability made up for by the fact that over time the initial cost plus cost of repairs is still cheaper then japanese or euro cars of similar size? I specify canadian as if I used the US, i'm sure the answer would have something to do with nationalism. But heck, the montreal police don't even necessarily have to speak english, just french from what I gather. And yet they still drive american cars
This proves my point above perfectly as it pertains to aggressive and quality-lacking overproduction leading to a lower quality of car, which, in turn, translates to lower pricing. Taxi companies choosing American cars is a bottom-line issue. They receive them so cheap that the fact they pose a much higher average risk of failure is a moot point, as they can replace them much easier. It is not a repair-cost issue, as when a car becomes that problematic they simply replace as opposed to repairing them.But also thats the average length of time people keep a car. that was sort of my point in the domestic car thing to begin with if the domestic car is the same size and roughly same equipment level, and it costs less when factoring in average repairs and maintenance, I still think it is a more sensible buy. Well, and with toyota starting to see a decline in quality, do you think there will be mroe camry taxis? I'm not sure. Going back to pricing, its more based on what people are willing to pay for a product. People are irrational, people frequently do things based on beliefs like nationalism, religion or other ideas that don't necessarily have factual backing. But businesses are in business to make money, and are far less driven by belief than what you can show in $ on paper.
Yea especially the UAW guys in Michigan. Where half the plants are close down and guys sit in the parking lot of the plants from 9-5 and get paid while "waiting for transfers" :clap2:EasyEJL-
Don't stop buying American cars. Someone's gotta pay the wages for those lazy UAW workers !
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