haha Thanks Kleen! You aint seen nuthin yet - wait until I get back in the 'groove'!!!Sub/Max effort. SHEEEEEE-IT you are a BEAST!!!!!!! Enuff said!!
haha Thanks Kleen! You aint seen nuthin yet - wait until I get back in the 'groove'!!!Sub/Max effort. SHEEEEEE-IT you are a BEAST!!!!!!! Enuff said!!
Killer buddy... welcome!subbed...talk about late
::Blink:: ::Blink::Week of 7/27-7/31
Shoulders = Standing Military Press - 195x3
Deadlift = Sumo Deadlift - 525x1x2
Bench Press = Flat Bench Press - 310x7
Squat = Wide Stance Parallel Squat - 505x1x2
Don't sweat it, it happens. Some days you just cant shrug that off. You still got one in and consistency is the key.Standing Shoulder Press
135x5
155x5
175x5
Dips, Pressdowns, Pulldowns, Abs.......
Just wasnt in to it today - weird...
Yah my theory is that we overdo it when we are "Primed" and we just get to the point where were exhausted and can't get the feeling back. I myself thought the current workout of slow reps would help recover my CNS but it still caught up to me ... it's ok I have a rest coming. I hate this inexplicable sharp pains that I randomly get.Its normal to have those days where you do not feel like training, do not sweat it, as long as you got done what you were suppose to, that is all that matters. I always tell myself to make the most of the workout no matter who crappy I feel.
What would your shoulder press be on an "on" day? Are these strict military press-style?Standing Shoulder Press
135x5
155x5
175x5
Dips, Pressdowns, Pulldowns, Abs.......
Just wasnt in to it today - weird...
This is very good for me but I believe I had more in me. I still feel like **** from my little trip last weekend.What would your shoulder press be on an "on" day? Are these strict military press-style?
Sounds like the body was ready to respond but your head just wasn't in it. Easier to recover from that way. THose weekend vacations can really throw us off track eh? I know mine do. If Monday wasn't a cardio day I would have been hating life trying to lift.This is very good for me but I believe I had more in me. I still feel like **** from my little trip last weekend.
You too? The PEC-shock was not worn off for me, either. My aesthetics have still not recovered: flatter, less all-day pump - bleh. I love my glycogen, and Orlando stole it.This is very good for me but I believe I had more in me. I still feel like **** from my little trip last weekend.
Yeah - and I dropped AP this week so....You too? The PEC-shock was not worn off for me, either. My aesthetics have still not recovered: flatter, less all-day pump - bleh. I love my glycogen, and Orlando stole it.
Interested in why you dropped AP ?Yeah - and I dropped AP this week so....
I have been using it for well over a year, i was requiring around 6-8 per day. Just wanted take a 4-5 week break from it. It is one of those supplement that are very hard to break from! hahaInterested in why you dropped AP ?
Ok the reason I was asking is that it is a good staple but yah a year is a while. I have so far seen no reason to increase dosage unless where talking big meal...I have been using it for well over a year, i was requiring around 6-8 per day. Just wanted take a 4-5 week break from it. It is one of those supplement that are very hard to break from! haha
It is a killer staple! I miss it dearly. It will be back in 3 weeks, I promise. hahaOk the reason I was asking is that it is a good staple but yah a year is a while. I have so far seen no reason to increase dosage unless where talking big meal...
Yah I would miss it ... aranoid:It is a killer staple! I miss it dearly. It will be back in 3 weeks, I promise. haha
From what I understand it is the Lagerstroemia Speciosa that our body gets used too and needs the absence of to increase sensitivity. The PSlin does not down regulate so I was told. That being the case you could still take bulk PSlin couldn't you? You wouldn't get the benefit of the glut 4 receptors being shut off in the fat cells but the increase in absorbsion from the Slin would still be there. I took vanadium and ate a lot of cinnamon when I was off for my month. Seemed to help a little but not like AP.It is a killer staple! I miss it dearly. It will be back in 3 weeks, I promise. haha
<hijack> I'd understand better if I knew what AP was?</hijack>From what I understand it is the Lagerstroemia Speciosa that our body gets used too and needs the absence of to increase sensitivity. The PSlin does not down regulate so I was told. That being the case you could still take bulk PSlin couldn't you? You wouldn't get the benefit of the glut 4 receptors being shut off in the fat cells but the increase in absorbsion from the Slin would still be there. I took vanadium and ate a lot of cinnamon when I was off for my month. Seemed to help a little but not like AP.
USPLab's Anabolic Pump.<hijack> I'd understand better if I knew what AP was?</hijack>
Yep - I am using P-Slin twice per day.From what I understand it is the Lagerstroemia Speciosa that our body gets used too and needs the absence of to increase sensitivity. The PSlin does not down regulate so I was told. That being the case you could still take bulk PSlin couldn't you? You wouldn't get the benefit of the glut 4 receptors being shut off in the fat cells but the increase in absorbsion from the Slin would still be there. I took vanadium and ate a lot of cinnamon when I was off for my month. Seemed to help a little but not like AP.
Fug ... I didn't want to hear that :18:From what I understand it is the Lagerstroemia Speciosa that our body gets used too and needs the absence of to increase sensitivity. The PSlin does not down regulate so I was told. That being the case you could still take bulk PSlin couldn't you? You wouldn't get the benefit of the glut 4 receptors being shut off in the fat cells but the increase in absorbsion from the Slin would still be there. I took vanadium and ate a lot of cinnamon when I was off for my month. Seemed to help a little but not like AP.
thanks!USPLab's Anabolic Pump.
I must have misunderstood you when told me that was the reason to cycle off of Anabolic Pump was that my system would get used to the berberine and would need a break. I asked you about it because of the banaba in both Anabolic Pump and PSlin. So is there another reason why you told me my body would lose sensitivity to the Berberine in Anabolic Pump, and the GYM in PSlin if not cycled?Generally speaking, there are two scenarios in which Anabolic Pump [...specific to its effect on GLUT4...] would become less effective over-time: a) a down-regulation of cell-surface GLUT4 activity, or; b) reduced whole-body absorption of the active compounds. In terms of a), this is unlikely to occur: while cytosolic conditions are very difficult to recapitulate in the lab-setting, most evidence points to Berberine increase GLUT4 gene-promoter activity [evidence by an increase in GLUT4 mRNA]. Over time, this would actually increase the amount of post-administration cell-surface GLUT4. Additively, the likely reduction in plasma Insulin levels induced by Berberine would further mitigate GLUT4 mRNA reduction, by promoting co-factors and gene promoters [Insulin decreases these conditions]. In fact, it is far more likely that chronic use of AP will improve one's "Insulin sensitivity", rather than reduce it, as other AMPk-agonist have displayed glucose transporting effects even in the presence of persistent Insulin administration,
In respects to b), this is far more likely: as a foreign compound, your body will eventually seek homeostasis, and become far more efficient and metabolizing the product/steroid/plant you are taking. This is unfortunately inevitable. However, in regards to GLUT4 phosphorylation down-regulating, that scenario is unlikely.
Just reason b) above, MK. IIRC, I said the optimum approach is to use P-SLIN and AP in a staggered fashion - i.e., weeks 1-4 AP, weeks 4-8 P-SLIN, weeks 8-12 AP and so forth; in this way, you reap the glucose disposal properties of AP/P-SLIN without overusing either.So is there another reason why you told me my body would lose sensitivity to the Berberine in Anabolic Pump, and the GYM in PSlin if not cycled?
I had to reread your post again. I think the last statement in your post had me a little confused. I thought you were refering to B as being unlikely as well. It didn't click you referred back to A again.Just reason b) above, MK. IIRC, I said the optimum approach is to use P-SLIN and AP in a staggered fashion - i.e., weeks 1-4 AP, weeks 4-8 P-SLIN, weeks 8-12 AP and so forth; in this way, you reap the glucose disposal properties of AP/P-SLIN without overusing either.
At some point, your body will normalize itself to any compound, and this is particularly true for herbals.
Well, just think NIDDM: chronic exposure to Insulin will ultimately down-regulate the PI3K/Atk pathway of GLUT4 phosphorlyation, leading to, "insulin insensitivity". Many trials have subsequently found the opposite to be true.I had to reread your post again. I think the last statement in your post had me a little confused. I thought you were refering to B as being unlikely as well. It didn't click you referred back to A again.
Thanks for clarifying.
Your explanation of how it effect insulin sensitivity is more detailed than I knew. I knew the lower insulin levels would increase sensitivity, but I didn't realize that it had a lasting positive effect on the glut 4 reaction ie... "Over time, this would actually increase the amount of post-administration cell-surface GLUT4" That is awesome to know.
I believe the gist of their exchange was that the original concern was discussing the potential for reduced absorption in 4 weeks and Mullet brought up the scenario that although that "could" happen, a more likely outcome is that AP may actually improve in efficacy with increased duration of use.So if i understand this correctly, after about 4 weeks of either AP or Pslin the body will begin to reduce the amount of active ingredient it absorbs? Or is the 4 week cycling to optimize the efficacy of each product?
Boro how did you know to increase the dosage of AP while u were taking it?
I have a PHD in BS , but I had to go look up what he meant on some of it, and try to apply context to the rest of it. However I am still unsure of the entire meaning of his last post. If I understood right about the last statement the thoughts that the constant presence of excess insulin will lower insulin sensitivity is now being disproven in some trials?****... all i have is B.S. majoring in neuroscience and behavioral biology...time to go back to school!
That was a typo. It was supposed to read, "Many trials with Berberine have shown the opposite to be true".I have a PHD in BS , but I had to go look up what he meant on some of it, and try to apply context to the rest of it. However I am still unsure of the entire meaning of his last post. If I understood right about the last statement the thoughts that the constant presence of excess insulin will lower insulin sensitivity is now being disproven in some trials?
PI3K [phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase] is part of a family of enzymes that are activated by hormones, cytokines, growth factors and so on. After being activated by a hormone, say, Insulin, PI3K causes the phosphorylation of Akt[2] to the membrane periphery, where it in turn phosphorylates several proteins which are involved in cell growth and function; most important to us weight-lifters, GLUT4 [glucose transport] and mTOR [protein synthesis]. Akt[2] is necessary for Insulin-induced translocation of GLUT4 to the plasma membrane of cells. PI3K itself is mediated by tyrosine phosophorylated IRS-1.Sorry Mullet, I got totally lost so if I am completely off base here you will have to reiterate without the technical jargon. I couldn't even find a definition on google for PI3/Atk pathway, and what exactly it does or is responsible for. I tried to do my own research but you are WAY out of my league bro.
I think so. This was honestly worded confusingly!The information I have gotten from this are: It is not a down regulation of the receptors that causes the eventual loss of efficacy, if it occurs, it is the body's constant adaption to achieve homeostasis that makes it adapt to how it processes the Anabolic Pump, or any other external compound and not due to actual receptor sensitivity.
Nope.2, and this one I am really not sure I understood but what I think I got from it is: that the line of thought that continuos high levels of insulin being present causes insulin insensitivity is now being disproven in some studies????
Can you recommend of the places you research that also explain what the processes and what not are. Something I can research to learn what those processes and pathways are so that so I can understand the medical studies better. I would love to do some more self study in this area but have no idea where to find that info. You must if you have educated yourself on all of this to get to your level of knowledge.Well for reference's sake, you both have me handily beat in terms of scientific accreditation: the last formal science-based class I took was in grade ten or eleven [can't really remember].
Thanks, good to know, I will look into the database subscription.In all honesty, I acquired what relatively little knowledge I do have due to working with USPlabs. A customer would ask a question which I did not understand in some way - whether it was a term [most common], pathway, physiological consequent and so on. So, in response, I would read for 4-6 hours until I knew everything about that particular topic they were inquiring about; and, along the way, you begin to intuitively realize patterns. For example, I knew how my Fasted Training Protocol would be beneficial re: AMPk-induced substrate selection prior to ever reading about fasted-state substrate selection. I realize that is not helpful in anyway, but it is an honest answer. I would just recommend paying for a database subscription - I had one from my university - as full-studies contain wonderful information.
:laugh2::lol5:so, nerds. What's Boro up to? :hammer:
Too funny... he is probably already skimming those databases. :lol5: Back to you Boro...so, nerds. What's Boro up to? :hammer:
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