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Not persee, I have it sometimes after a cheat meal, it Goes away few days after. Just keep an eye on it, if you feel a small lump -> act quick
what was your E2 prior to the cycle?Bloods are in!
After all this, estrogen is well within range, so what does this mean for my slight puffy right nipple, am I just being paranoid?
Is it normal?
Surely it's not prolactin from test E...
I've heard people throwing in a few days of nolva to clear out the puffiness...
Here is my Bloodwork. Bun has always been out of range for me.
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Good point. This was about 30 days prior to startingwhat was your E2 prior to the cycle?
ah.Good point. This was about 30 days prior to starting
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And keep in mind, the most recent bloods were taken after 3 days straight of aromasin at 12.5 mg and after almost a week without it, so their could have been a big spike in estrogen. I am now on day 5 in a row and my joints are beginning to feel dry.
Yea, I think I got paranoid with the first sign of nipple puffiness given this is my first cycle, so I may have even overdone it with the aromasin doing 12.5 mg 5 days in a row, but I already miss that bit of bloat to be honest. I like a little bit of water, lost about 7 lbs. of water in the last 4 days lol.I always felt best with e2 around 30. Always grew nicely there as well
Yea, gonna get back to EOD, I have 0 libido right now after 5 days of aromasin at 12.5 mg.ah.
prolly time to back off to EOD dosing.
as far as Private MD Lbas, I believe that their E2 test was not accurate..... I and several other people have had E2 levels come back as >5, and I have had other bloodwork that contradicted it. I believe the resolution would be to order the ultra-sensitive test....
He's on a cycle of 500 mg test a week...Maybe I'm just an idiot, but what is causing your FSH and LH to be so low?
Right, wouldn't that cause it to be up? I mean with more test shouldn't that increase the amount? Sorry I'm not meaning to come off stupid, but I thought hypogonadism caused low fsh and LH , hence TRT helps get those levels back to normal?He's on a cycle of 500 mg test a week...
No, it shuts your production off as you are adding exogenous test therefore your body is not producing it.Right, wouldn't that cause it to be up? I mean with more test shouldn't that increase the amount? Sorry I'm not meaning to come off stupid, but I thought hypogonadism caused low fsh and LH , hence TRT helps get those levels back to normal?
Ahh I see, I just thought of it as a replacement. Thanks for the infoNo, it shuts your production off as you are adding exogenous test therefore your body is not producing it.
Ahh is that the reason for HCG?Also, when someone goes on trt, their levels of fsh and lh go down to 0
HCG acts similar to LH, and will maintain testicular function on cycle/TRT.Ahh is that the reason for HCG?
Makes sense now. Thanks my dudeHCG acts similar to LH, and will maintain testicular function on cycle/TRT.
I think they have that test available as well on their menu....Yea, gonna get back to EOD, I have 0 libido right now after 5 days of aromasin at 12.5 mg.
Where do you typically order the ultra-sensitive test?
Thanks for this. I will checkout Discounted Labs for sure now, but based on the way I feel, I do think that number is moderately accurate. Almost completely crashed my estrogen but stopped taking it today, got some of my bloat back and feel so much better. All it takes is one day and the bloat is back so clearly every other day is a good dose for me and as for the enlarged nipples? Just gonna have to get over it for the time being.I think they have that test available as well on their menu....
I've actually switched to Discounted Labs.
1)I have a testing location an hour closer to my house and 2) I've heard that the E2 test they use is more accurate for men. I suspect the female panel that many of us used through PrivateMD Labs was not accurate, and should have been using the regular male panels.... FWIW, my last E2 test from PMDL was <5, whereas it was 14 from DL..... significant difference there.
I know that I need less sleep on most androgens and if my testosterone levels are high-ish.Day 54 update (starting week 8 and most extensive update yet):
Ever since I doubled up on my dose of test to make up for my absence due to leaving for vacation on 8/24 and missing my next dose by 2 days and aromasin by 4 days the following week, it seems that nothing has been the same since. 4 days after doubling up on my dose, on Monday 8/28, I literally stayed up all night in my hotel room, staring at the wall wondering if I had accidentally taken green tea extract rather than Hawthorne berry (same colors and turns out I hadn't) straight insomnia. And it wasn't until now I realized, it was probably the spike in my test levels. Because after day, that sleep came and went though tossing and turning and it seems like since then every night, I've been dealing with waking up and not being able to go back to bed. I meditate and take melatonin before bed so I can fall asleep, by my mind seems to be racing and the dreams that I have are almost lucid, like I am still awake when they are happening, but then I wake up and can't go back to bed. I've never had sleep issues before and I'm sure the spike in testosterone, then the deprivation of test after missing a couple days due to the storm, followed by missing my aromasin, and then overdoing the aromasin to make up for it all while switching my injection days from tues/wed/sat/sun to mon/tues/thurs/Friday is the reason for it. For most, this is not too much to worry about but I can tell my body is very sensitive to even the slightest change. After all my skinny wrists, skinny ankles and tiny frame give me a naturally test level much lower than someone with a bigger frame so naturally any hangs at all will be noticeable.
Beginning to Wonder though if I would even be dealing with insomnia and kind of run down during the day (I'm assuming the zero libido is due to the lack of sleep) if I was able to just stay on schedule and not double up that one dose. Since then, it has been a rollercoaster. I switched back to Aromasin 12.5 mg every other day and already getting that water back (I kinda like it)...also switched 5 days of working out single body parts to 4 days to 2 body parts with more of a focus on intensity. I feel like a monster in the gym even with a lack of sleep. The new stimulus really has the pump going crazy and allows me to go harder and lift heavier when I get that extra day of rest.
I'm rambling, but the analyzing you see above is how I live my life and to be frank, I do really appreciate the differences I feel with even the slightest change. It lets me know that I have not lost touch with the signs of my body, but this is mew territory for me, so just trying to keep a cool head.
This drug DOES certainly have a psychological affect. Some days I'm super chill, other days I feel something boiling up inside and I take that aggression out on the weights which converts into a "keep the weights coming" mentality like I can't get enough. However, working out from an emotional place is never good for the CNS and will often fatigue you bc you end up going way harder than you should (just my experience).
I have done some research and seen that when your HPTA is shut down, which happens to anyone on gear (and you will see in the bloods above), there is a correlation to much lighter sleep bc your body might think that with the excess of testosterone in your system, you don't need sleep. This insomnia. That's complete bro science bc it's correlated not caused and from what I can find, there is a shi* load of anecdotal cases where people who use anabolics also experience insomnia but very little understanding as to why.
I've heard herbals don't help much - that you require something much more potent like ambien or a prescription, but I'd rather not go down that route. Any recommendations on anything over the counter that don't make you feel like a complete wreck the following morning - FYI I wake up early.
That's it for now. Hope these journal type posts help someone who might be going down this route.
Just want to be as real as possible bc it's true for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction...aka side effects will equal the gains, maybe not right this moment but they will eventually.
Would love to get your feedback on this update. I've really enjoyed not only getting advice from you, but also seeing your experiences and what you've encountered. I use your ideas to piggyback off of for further research
Could be, yet it's tough to sleep when I wake up every 2 hoursI know that I need less sleep on most androgens and if my testosterone levels are high-ish.
I have noticed that Aromasin makes me extremely drowsy.... I have read elsewhere something about estrogen potentiating excitatory neurotransmitters.
^maybe both things reduce the need for sleep significantly?
Much appreciated. If you are sensitive to higher estrogen, you will gain water like crazy but with the water comes strength and pumps like crazy. Lost all of my water by over doing the aromasin. Stopped it for two days and gained 8 lbs lol, yes in 2 days. I am planning to run HCG just to help the boys get back up and running as quickly as possible, I am super sensitive to changes in hormones so I have a feeling it's not going to be easy getting every back up and running again in a short amount of time so I need anything I can to help - after a ton of research it's clear people overuse it. Can be powerful and effective if it's timed just right and that 2 week gap seems to be the consensus - blood work won't lie though. Have fun on the ride. If I were to do it over again, I would do 4 days of gym work with intensity rather than 5 days. Needed way more rest than I gave myself and I feel like a different person switching to 4 and I love being able to go as hard as my mind wants to. Enjoy!Looking sick man. Im one week into my 1st cycle(500mg test). Already up 7lb, pretty sure all water lol. Still debating on using HCG or not. I see your doing it during the gap between last shot at pct?
Much appreciated 4 more weeks, got make em count!Doing great brother. Keep crushing it
Just google 29.5 gauge 1/2 inch insulin pin...I use a 23 gauge 1.5 inch to draw and backload it into an insulin syringe. The test I'm using is super concentrated: Test E 300, so the PIP pain with the 25 gauge 1.5 inch I was using was horrendous, especially for virgin muscles. As for the pain with an insulin syringe? Not even comparable, very minimal if done correctly, plus I divided the dose into 4 different pins so reducing the amount of serum per injection helps with PIP as well. I even pin only flutes and have some fat there, just make sure you heat it up and pin very very slow and massage post injection and you should be fine, BUT at the end of the day, realize everyone is different and you will just have to experiment on yourself.Tdillard - Loving your log and keeping up with your progress. I am about to run my first cycle in three years and I've never used a slin pin for test (or any other goodies), but I'm intrigued.
Can you take a picture of the pin you're using? Are you using the same needle to draw and inject? Have to imagine the PIP is a b*tch.
You have a lot less fat than me (I'm at 15% currently) so I'm also concerned that I wouldn't get deep enough into my muscle.
Just google 29.5 gauge 1/2 inch insulin pin...I use a 23 gauge 1.5 inch to draw and backload it into an insulin syringe. The test I'm using is super concentrated: Test E 300, so the PIP pain with the 25 gauge 1.5 inch I was using was horrendous, especially for virgin muscles. As for the pain with an insulin syringe? Not even comparable, very minimal if done correctly, plus I divided the dose into 4 different pins so reducing the amount of serum per injection helps with PIP as well. I even pin only flutes and have some fat there, just make sure you heat it up and pin very very slow and massage post injection and you should be fine, BUT at the end of the day, realize everyone is different and you will just have to experiment on yourself.
Bc my PCT is so strong, any suppression caused by the osta should be mitigated by HCG, nolva, chlomid combo. My guess is that you might disagree with this. 2 weeks (esther clear) + 4 weeks (PCT) - 6 weeks of OstaJust curious as to why you are using Osta in pct.?
Much appreciated man. Glad you enjoyed it. I sure had fun - it's been a great ride.Thought your log and cycle were great.
I agree, don't buy into the info from those sarmX fools. If the goal of your PCT is to recover natural production, don't hinder the recovery with suppression from osta (unless your just going to go to TRT). Let your body do what it's trying to do, recover to homeostasis.don't use ostarine in PCT.....
For the record, i have been going back and forth on this, and believe it or not, I asked the source directly (aka sarmsx aka DG) and he said I would have no suppression...not saying he is right, BUT he did tell me what I wanted to hear...I agree, don't buy into the info from those sarmX fools. If the goal of your PCT is to recover natural production, don't hinder the recovery with suppression from osta (unless your just going to go to TRT). Let your body do what it's trying to do, recover to homeostasis.
Incredible progress before and during the cycle man. I’m with everyone else though on the Ostarine, I wouldn’t use it in PCT. At the very least extend your PCT two or three weeks after you stop the Ostarine.
For the record, i have been going back and forth on this, and believe it or not, I asked the source directly (aka sarmsx aka DG) and he said I would have no suppression...not saying he is right, BUT he did tell me what I wanted to hear...I agree, don't buy into the info from those sarmX fools. If the goal of your PCT is to recover natural production, don't hinder the recovery with suppression from osta (unless your just going to go to TRT). Let your body do what it's trying to do, recover to homeostasis.
glad to see we could sway ya!For the record, i have been going back and forth on this, and believe it or not, I asked the source directly (aka sarmsx aka DG) and he said I would have no suppression...not saying he is right, BUT he did tell me what I wanted to hear...
Based on the feedback from you guys , I think I will concede and just do a 2 week osta run waiting for my Ester's to clear and just use cardarine (along with Chlomid and nolva for my Pct)...
I will say this though, been taking osta and cardarine for 2 days and just got back from the gym...I literally did not get winded. I do the Dorian type training as it works well with my body and the required rest, yes even on gear. 4 days on 40-45 minutes balls to the wall, and typically I am very very winded. Though today, I literally did not stop, placebo? Maybe, but I'd like to think I'm more in tune with my body than most and the feeling was unlike anything on cycle thus far. My last shot was Friday so the test is still peaking, that combined with cardarine and ostarine from sarmsx is improving my mood and giving me crazy endurance. Might thinking about stacking these with my next cycle. We will see, but for now?
Just going to devote everything I have to get my natty test back up and running. I am extremely sensitive to hormone levels so gearing up for this mentally.
Let's see what happens with this PCT (osta excluded).
Thanks brother!
No TRT. I want to have kids in a few years